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« on: April 18, 2012, 07:21:38 pm »

Would you say that evil has always been around, even before God created the earth?  Is this maybe why God created the earth - as part of a plan to overcome evil?  The believers are part of the army at Armegeddon.  We know that God is all powerful and with Him nothing is impossible.  Yet for some reason He chose to create an army to destroy evil.  What say you?
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 05:13:55 am »

what like an "evil particle" or something?

Satan is the source of evil and originally he Lucifer was good but then became evil.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 05:56:56 am »

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Yet for some reason He chose to create an army to destroy evil.  What say you?

Well, He is God, so He can do what He wants. That said, to be accurate, it's the Word that destroys evil, not the army of believers on horses behind Him...

11   And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 
12   His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 
13   And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 
14   And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 
15   And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 
16   And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 
17 ¶ And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 
18   That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great. 
19   And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 
20   And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 
21   And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelations 19:11-21 (KJB)
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 10:10:50 am »

Would you say that evil has always been around, even before God created the earth? 

Had somebody point this out to me.

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What was the Spirit doing? Why was He there?  We know that His Spirit restores broken things. So was there some sort of undocumented cataclysm or war between verses 1 and 2? Scripture doesn’t say for sure. But I do consider it a possibility.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 11:41:57 am »

"The voice of the LORD [is] upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD [is] upon many waters." Psalm 29:3 (KJB)

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6 (KJB)
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 12:19:59 pm »

We've also had these discussions on PPF as well...

So if I understand this correctly, all of this is unfolding according to God's plan?

The other reason why I'm asking is b/c where, as Christians, do we draw the line b/w standing back and watching, and calling out evil as it is? For example, take all the Emergent, 501c3, leavened churches nowdays. Where do we take a stand on this issue in terms of warning others, other than ourselves avoiding these places?
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 03:18:47 pm »

24   No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 
25 ¶ Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 
26   Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 
27   Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 
28   And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 
29   And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 
30   Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith? 
31   Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 
32   (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 
33   But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 
34   Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof. 
Matthew 6:24-34 (KJB)


"For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith." Galatians 5:5 (KJB)

14   Settle [it] therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 
15   For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 
16   And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [some] of you shall they cause to be put to death. 
17   And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake. 
18   But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 
19   In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 21:14-19 (KJB)
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