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« on: February 17, 2011, 01:24:57 pm »

In sharp reversal, U.S. agrees to rebuke Israel in Security Council
Posted By Colum Lynch  Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - 6:00 PM 
The U.S. informed Arab governments Tuesday that it will support a U.N. Security Council statement reaffirming that the 15-nation body "does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity," a move aimed at avoiding the prospect of having to veto a stronger Palestinian resolution calling the settlements illegal.

But the Palestinians rejected the American offer following a meeting late Wednesday of Arab representatives and said it is planning to press for a vote on its resolution on Friday, according to officials familar with the issue. The decision to reject the American offer raised the prospect that the Obama adminstration will cast its first ever veto in the U.N. Security Council. 

Still, the U.S. offer signaled a renewed willingness to seek a way out of the current impasse, even if it requires breaking with Israel and joining others in the council in sending a strong message to its key ally to stop its construction of new settlements. U.S. officials were not available for comment, but two Security Council diplomats confirmed the proposal.

The Palestinian delegation, along with Lebanon, the Security Council's only Arab member state, asked the council's president late Wednesday to schedule a meeting for Friday. But it remained unclear whether the Palestinian move today to reject the U.S. offer is simply a negotiating tactic aimed at extracting a better deal from Washington. 

Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, outlined the new U.S. offer in a closed door meeting on Tuesday with the Arab Group, a bloc of Arab countries from North Africa and the Middle East. In exchange for scuttling the Palestinian resolution, the United States would support the council statement, consider supporting a U.N. Security Council visit to the Middle East, the first since 1979, and commit to supporting strong language criticizing Israel's settlement policies in a future statement by the Middle East Quartet.

The U.S.-backed draft statement -- which was first reported by Al Hurra -- was obtained by Turtle Bay. In it, the Security Council "expresses its strong opposition to any unilateral actions by any party, which cannot prejudge the outcome of negotiations and will not be recognized by the international community, and reaffirms, that it does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity, which is a serious obstacle to the peace process." The statement also condemns "all forms of violence, including rocket fire from Gaza, and stresses the need for calm and security for both peoples."

U.S. officials argue that the only way to resolve the Middle East conflict is through direct negotiations involving Israel and the Palestinians. For weeks, the Obama administration has refused to negotiate with the Palestinians on a resolution condemning the settlements as illegal, signaling that they would likely veto it if it were put to a vote. The Palestinians were planning to put the resolution to a vote later this week. But Security Council statements of the sort currently under consideration are voted on the bases of consensus in the 15-nation council.

The United States has, however, been isolated in the 15-nation council. Virtually all 14 other member states are prepared to support the Palestinian resolution, according to council diplomats. A U.N. Security Council resolution generally carries greater political and legal force than a statement from the council's president.

The U.S. concession comes as the Middle East is facing a massive wave of popular demonstrations that have brought down the leaders of Tunisia and Egypt and are posing a challenge to governments in Algeria, Bahrain, and Iran.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 07:48:24 am »

TEN MAJOR EVENTS
(Relating to Israel’s Covenant Land) 1. October 30,
1991: The Perfect Storm—As President George H. W. Bush
is opening the Madrid (Spain) Conference to consider
“land for peace” in Israel’s Middle East role, the
“perfect storm” develops in the North Atlantic,
creating the largest waves ever recorded in that
region. The storm travels 1000 miles from “east to
west” instead of the normal “west to east” pattern and
crashes into the New England Coast. Thirty-five foot
waves crash into the Kennebunkport home of President
Bush.

2. August 23, 1992: Hurricane Andrew—When the Madrid
Conference moves to Washington DC and the peace talks
resume, Hurricane Andrew, the worst natural disaster
ever to hit America, comes ashore and produces an
estimated $30 billion in damage and leaving 180,000
homeless in Florida.

3. January 16, 1994: Northridge Earthquake—President
Bill Clinton meets with Syria's President Hafez
el-Assad in Geneva. They talk about a peace agreement
with Israel that includes giving up the Golan Heights.
Within 24 hours, a powerful 6.9 earthquake rocks
Southern California, This quake, centered in
Northridge, becomes the second most destructive
natural disaster to hit the United States, behind
Hurricane Andrew,

4. January 21, 1998: Lewinsky Scandal—Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with President
Clinton at the White House and is coldly received.
Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
refuse to have lunch with him. Shortly afterwards on
that day, the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks into the
mass media and begins to occupy a major portion of
Clinton's time.

5. September 28, 1998: Hurricane George—As Secretary
of State Albright works on the final details of an
agreement in which Israel would give up 13 percent of
Yesha (Judah and Samaria), Hurricane George slams into
the United States Gulf Coast with 110 mph winds and
gusts up to 175 mph. The hurricane hits the coast and
stalled. On September 28, Clinton meets with Yasser
Arafat and Netanyahu at the White House to finalize
this land deal. Later, Arafat addresses the United
Nations about declaring an independent Palestinian
state by May 1999, as Hurricane George pounds the Gulf
Coast, causing $1 billion in damage. At the exact time
that Arafat departs the country, the storm begins to
dissipate.

6. October 15-22, 1998: Texas Flooded—On October 15,
1998, Arafat and Netanyahu meet at the Wye River
Plantation in Maryland. The talks are scheduled to
last five days with the focus on Israel giving up 13
percent of Yesha. The talks are extended and conclude
on October 23. On October 17, awesome rains and
tornadoes hit southern Texas. The San Antonio area is
deluged with rain. The rain and flooding in Texas
continue until October 22 and then subside. The floods
ravage 25 percent of Texas and leave over one billion
dollars in damage. On October 21, Clinton declares
this section of Texas a major disaster area.

7. November 30, 1998: Market Capitalization
Evaporates—Arafat comes to Washington again to meet
with President Clinton to raise money for a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital. A
total of 42 other nations were represented in
Washington. All the nations agreed to give Arafat $3
billion in aid. Clinton promised $400 million, and the
European nations $1.7 billion. On the same day, the
Dow Jones average drops 216 points, and on December 1,
the European Market had its third worst day in
history. Hundreds of billions of market capitalization
were wiped out in the U.S. and Europe.

8. December 12, 1998: Clinton is Impeached—As Clinton
lands in the Palestinian-controlled section of Israel
to discuss the “land for peace” process, the House of
Representatives votes four articles of impeachment
against him.

9. May 3, 1999: The Powerful Super Tornado—On the day
that Yasser Arafat is scheduled to declare a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital, the
most powerful tornado storm system ever to hit the
United States sweeps across Oklahoma and Kansas. The
winds are clocked at 316 mph the fastest wind speed
ever recorded. The declaration is postponed to
December 1999 at the request of President Clinton,
whose letter to Arafat encourages him in his
"aspirations for his own land." He also writes that
the Palestinians have a right to "determine their own
future on their own land" and that they deserve to
"live free, today, tomorrow and forever."

10. Week of October 11: Hurricane, Earthquake and Dow
Collapse—As Jewish settlers in 15 West Bank (Israel)
settlements are evicted from the covenant land in
Israel, the Dow-Jones financial averages lose 5.7
percent in the worst week since October 1989. On
October 15 the Dow lost 266 points, and a hurricane
slams into North Carolina. On the next morning,
October 16, a magnitude 7.1 earthquake rocks the
southwest in the fifth most powerful earthquake in
20th Century. The earthquake was centered in the
California desert and did little damage but was felt
in three states.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 07:49:22 am »

America's anti Israel stance linked to natural disasters!

John McTernan, an expert in Biblical prophecy and the author of the book "As America Has Done to Israel". McTernan links the timing of economic disasters and natural disasters to moments in time when America has strongly promoted abortion, homosexuality, and the division of the land of Israel. In fact, nine of the ten "top ten natural disasters ranked by relief costs" found on FEMA's webpage occurred at a time when the U.S. went against Israel.

"Some of these judgments occurred within 24 hours of an American push against Israel. God warns us in His Word to not interfere in His covenant with the nation of Israel.

Four examples of judgment on the U.S. are given (the rest are in his book and DVD). In the first, McTernan cites that six business days after a huge pro-homosexual rally occurred on October 11, 1987, in the nation’s capital, the stock market experienced a big crash.

The second occurs during the Bush 41 Administration when President Bush is at the Madrid Peace Conference pressuring Israel to give up land. During the meeting, a hurricane traveling in an unusual northeast-to-southwest direction destroyed Bush’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine.

The third example occurred a year later in 1992, interestingly enough during a second Madrid Peace Conference in the U.S., when the dividing of Israel was again under discussion. Category 5 Hurricane Andrew ravaged Florida and Louisiana.

The last example takes place during the Clinton Administration when Clinton was pressuring Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to divide Israel. The Israelis thought that Netanyahu would be forced out politically if he went along with Clinton’s plans. Both Netanyahu and Yasser Arafat were in the U.S. to meet with Clinton. All of this was taking place when the Monica Lewinsky scandal came to light. It turned out that Clinton was the one impeached, even though he was not removed from office.

More examples of disasters occurring at the same time or soon after putting pressure on Israel.

McTernan states, “God is trying to warn America. We are in a collision course with Him.” Key verses in the Bible to read are Genesis 12:3, Joel 3:2, and most importantly Obadiah 1:15 which says, “The day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done (to Israel), it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.”

He states that Israel is the key to receiving either God’s blessing or His cursing, and this principle applies to both nations and individuals in their treatment of Israel.

This past May President Obama met with Netanyahu and made the link between establishing a Palestinian state and dealing with Iran’s nuclear weapons. Within days of their meeting, North Korea began testing a nuclear weapon and then threatened the U.S. with a nuclear strike on Hawaii. Interesting timing.

Regarding our current economic crisis, it began in November, 2007, at about the same time that the Annapolis Conference convened, in which President Bush was pressuring Israel to accept the Roadmap to Peace. Under this plan, Israel was being pressured to give up land in exchange for peace.

And to think that I have been blaming our economic crisis on liberals because they forced banks to lend money to individuals who lacked the ability to pay back their loans. Of course, that ticking time bomb was ready to go off. In spite of that, how much did the Roadmap to Peace play in the crisis for which we are still trying to recover?

Comparisons are made between President Bush (43) and President Obama in their treatment of Israel. McTernan states, “President Bush was more soft-gloved, with no direct arm twisting of Israel. President Obama has come out with an iron fist, treating Israel as an adversary; it’s extremely dangerous. The integrity of the United States is at stake.”

Today, President Obama once again spoke out against Israel before his adoring audience at the United Nations, where hating Israel has become a sport. John Bolten called Obama's speech at the UN "the most radical anti-Israel speech he's ever heard. Obama referred to the land won in the Six-Day War as "occupied" land.

"Two states living side by side in peace and security -- a Jewish state of Israel, with true security for all Israelis; and a viable, independent Palestinian state with contiguous territory that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and realizes the potential of the Palestinian people."

Based on what we have just heard, should we be anticipating yet another disaster in view of Obama's actions?

John McTernan shares much more about the meanings in the book of Obadiah. In verse 18, a “flame of fire” is described between the houses of Jacob and Joseph, which are Israel, and the house of Esau, which is the Palestinians. The Palestinians have made the mistake of trying to destroy Israel. Therefore, the promise in verse 15 will come true. What the Palestinians meant for evil toward Israel will fall back on them, and they will be totally destroyed as it says in verse 18: “the house of Esau will be stubble, and they will set it on fire and consume it. There will be no survivors from the house of Esau." Today’s Gaza was the land of the Philistines, Ephraim and Samaria are now the West Bank, and Gilead is Jordan. According to the Bible which is infallible, these areas will all be united with Israel. It’s only a matter of time.

But, back to Obama and his harsh treatment of Israel. If he forces Israel to be divided, God may just fulfill his promise in Obadiah 1:15. America could be divided, perhaps politically, in such a way as we have never seen before. With all that is taking place in Washington, D.C., that would not be too surprising. Or even worse, McTernan mentions a massive fault running down the center of our country. Interestingly, it is called the New Madrid fault (remember the Madrid Conferences), and the 1811-1812 New Madrid earthquakes were the greatest earthquakes in America.

President Obama’s foreign policy regarding Israel is literally a recipe for disaster. He may just encounter the wrath of God, and unlike gullible Americans, the Creator of the world sees right through that charismatic personality and fine rhetoric, and He is not in the least impressed.

America, beware, our president is playing with fire. He needs to learn that if you mess with Israel, you will regret it."

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Hillary Clinton: Israeli Settlements 'Illegitimate'


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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Israeli settlements "illegitimate" shortly before the United States vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning continued Israeli settlement expansion as illegal.

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I'm confused here - wasn't this veto a good thing, b/c the resolution the UN was pulling for condemned Israel over its continuing settlement expansion?

Just needed to clear this up. Thanks!
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I'm confused here - wasn't this veto a good thing, b/c the resolution the UN was pulling for condemned Israel over its continuing settlement expansion?

Just needed to clear this up. Thanks!

Ya, the Veto is a good thing, but its what was said that is the problem.
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I'm confused here - wasn't this veto a good thing, b/c the resolution the UN was pulling for condemned Israel over its continuing settlement expansion?

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Ya, the Veto is a good thing, but its what was said that is the problem.

OK, I see what was going on at the same time - what was SAID(at the same time, who knows why Hilary said one thing, but had that UN ambassador vote another). BUt nonetheless, not good on Hilary's part.
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As Islamists gain, Obama pushes Israel into concessions
U.S. envoys reportedly seek creation of Palestinian state, division of Jerusalem


TEL AVIV – As Islamist parties gain momentum throughout the region, President Obama has asked Israel to immediately give the Palestinian Authority more control over cities in the strategic West Bank, according to informed Middle East officials.

The officials said Obama's envoys to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict met in recent days with officials from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office to express the request.

The officials said the U.S. has made a strategic decision to renew a push now for Israel's immediate return to the negotiating table to discuss the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem.

Just yesterday, Netanyahu announced he is interested in jump-starting talks with the Palestinians. He also accused the PA of using the recent unrest in the Middle East as an excuse to avoid talking to Israel.

Sources in Netanyahu's office told WND the prime minister's announcement came under intense U.S. and international pressure. The announcement was also made in the wake of a recent debate at the United Nations in which Israel's Jewish communities in the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem were slammed as "illegitimate."

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UN chief: End occupation, divide Jerusalem

In message delivered by his assistant at Uruguay conference Ban Ki-moon says occupation is morally and politically unsustainable and must therefore end. 'A way must be found for Jerusalem to emerge as a capital of two States,' he adds

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon slammed Israel's policy and called for the division of Jerusalem on Tuesday. In a message delivered by his assistant at a UN regional meeting in Uruguay, Ban said: "The target date for completing the Palestinian Authority’s two-year State-building program is fast-approaching."

"The occupation that started in 1967 is morally and politically unsustainable, and must end," he told the UN Latin American and Caribbean Meeting in Support of Israeli-Palestinian Peace.

"The Palestinians have a legitimate right to the establishment of an independent and viable State of their own. Israel has the right to live in peace and security within internationally recognized and secure borders."

The UN chief said that "a way must be found for Jerusalem to emerge as a capital of two States, Israel and Palestine, with arrangements for holy sites acceptable for all." He added that "there must be a just and agreed solution to the prolonged plight of the Palestinian refugees."

Ban harshly criticized Israel's actions including settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, demolition of Palestinian homes and forced transfer of Palestinian residents. He added that all expressions of violence and the incitement or glorification of violent acts must stop.

He lauded the PA's efforts to establish viable State institutions and commended security forces' efforts to maintain security in areas under their control.

He called on Israel to take further steps to improve economic and security conditions by reducing obstacles to movement, halting military operations, and enabling PA to more West Bank areas.

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Palestinian institutions ready for statehood: U.N

The Palestinian Authority is ready to run an independent state but will struggle to make further institutional progress due to the restrictions of the Israeli occupation, the United Nations said on Tuesday.

The U.N. report followed equally upbeat assessments of the PA's nation-building achievements released over the past week by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

The positive statements comes before a meeting in Brussels on Wednesday of aid donor countries which will review Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's drive to construct the framework of a state by mid-2011.

"In six areas where the U.N. is most engaged, governmental functions are now sufficient for a functioning government of a state," said the report, entitled "Palestinian State-building: A Decisive Period."

It listed the six areas as rule of law and human rights; livelihoods; education and culture; health; social protection; and infrastructure and water.

However, it said the PA could not make significant further advances given the continued Israeli occupation of much of the West Bank and a breakdown in Middle East peace talks.

"Measures of occupation which stifle Palestinian life need to be fundamentally rolled back by more far reaching Israeli actions to match the progress of the state-building program," the report said.

Direct negotiations aimed at ending the decades-old conflict broke down last September following a dispute over continued Jewish settlement building on the West Bank.
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Israel: P.A. Statehood a 'Diplomatic Tsunami'

The Palestinian Authority is now ready to function as a state, a new United Nations report concluded. The main obstacle to such a goal, the U.N. noted, is "Israeli occupation."

Palestinian leaders plan to ask the U.N. General Assembly in September for statehood recognition on all the territory Israel occupied in 1967, including Gaza.

If the P.A. is successful, Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak predicts a "diplomatic tsunami."

"They are now refusing to sit to the table because they think -- and maybe rightly so -- that the support of almost two thirds of the countries that are represented at the General Assembly and they can get some kind of recognition of a state at the General Assembly," Gabriella Shalev, who served as Israel's U.N. ambassador for two years, told CBN News.

Shalev is sounding the alarm that international recognition of a Palestinian state poses a grave threat to her country.

"Come September we are there - if nothing will happen in between - and there are still a few months that we can do many things, we are in for big trouble," she warned.

Shalev says the Palestinians may well use an obscure U.N. resolution to bypass the Security Council where the U.S. holds veto power.   
 
"According to this resolution 377, if there is not a consensus within the Security Council, then it goes to the General Assembly which can take collective measures," she explained.

CBN News Political Editor John Waage, who has worked for several years in Jersulem, explains the political implications for Israel and more.

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JERUSALEM – President Obama and his administration told Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas during a meeting last week the U.S. foresees the creation of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, according to a top PA official speaking to WND.
"The American administration was very friendly to the position of the PA," said Nimer Hamad, Abbas' senior political adviser.
"Abu Mazen (Abbas) heard from Obama and his administration in a very categorical way that a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital is in the American national and security interest," Hamad said.

Another PA official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told WND today that Obama informed Abbas he would not let Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "get in the way" of normalizing U.S. relations with the Arab and greater Muslim world.
"We were told from this new administration they will not allow a Netanyahu government to hurt their efforts of rehabilitating U.S. relations with the Arab and Islamic world, which is a high priority of Obama," the official said, speaking during a visit to Cairo.

Also in Cairo today, Abbas met with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, where the Palestinian leader briefed Egypt's president on his recent trip to Washington, saying the U.S. was committed to bringing about an end to Israeli construction in the West Bank.
Hamad's comments about Jerusalem today come as controversy abounded regarding the U.S. position on Israel's capital city.
Last week, the State Department refuted a speech in which Netanyahu said Jerusalem never will be divided.
"Jerusalem is Israel's capital," Netanyahu said at an event marking Jerusalem's reunification. "Jerusalem was always ours and will always be ours. It will never again be partitioned and divided."
In response, the State Department released a statement that Jerusalem "is a final status issue."
"Israel and the Palestinians have agreed to resolve its status during negotiations. We will support their efforts to reach agreements on all final status issues," the statement said.
Also last week, a top Palestinian Authority official claimed in a WND interview that the Obama administration told the PA that Jerusalem will never be united under Israeli sovereignty.
"Americans said an open Jerusalem – yes. But a united Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty – no," Hatem Abdel Khader, the PA's minister for Jerusalem affairs, said in comments to both WND and Israel's Ynetnews website.
"(The Obama administration) has made clear that Jerusalem must be accessible to everyone – but not united under Israel's rule," Khader said.
Khader claimed the U.S. is cooperating with the PA to "thwart Israel's plans in Jerusalem."
"When they collaborate with us in Israeli courts against home demolitions or the confiscation of land we see their attitude," he said.
Khader told WND, "The Americans are very present on the ground, and they are making pressure over Israeli authorities and even municipalities."
"They are acting according to the concept that the failure to establish a Palestinian state would jeopardize U.S. national security interests – and without Jerusalem there is no Palestinian state," he said.

U.S. helps Palestinians live illegally near Temple Mount

Khader's claim the U.S. is helping the Palestinians gain a foothold in Jerusalem is accurate. In April, WND reported that under intense American pressure and following a nearly unprecedented behind-the-scenes U.S. campaign, the Netanyahu government has decided not to bulldoze Palestinian homes built illegally on Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem.
The issue is critical since the 80 homes in question are located in Silwan, an eastern Jerusalem neighborhood close to the Temple Mount and Jerusalem's Old City that the Palestinians claim as a future capital. Jewish groups have been working to fortify the community's Jewish presence. Silwan is adjacent to the City of David, a massive archeological dig just outside the Temple Mount that is constantly turning up Temple artifacts.
Like tens of thousands of other Arab housing projects throughout eastern Jerusalem, the Palestinian homes in Silwan were illegally constructed on property long ago purchased by Jews. The Israeli government ordered the structures' legal demolition.
But during a visit here in early March, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton strongly protested the planned bulldozing.
"Clearly this kind of activity is unhelpful and not in keeping with the obligations entered into under the Road Map," she said. "It is an issue that we intend to raise with the government of Israel and the government at the municipal level in Jerusalem."
The Road Map calls for Israel to freeze Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank but does not bar Israel from dismantling illegally constructed Palestinian homes in Jerusalem.
WND learned that in the weeks since Clinton's visit here, the U.S. mounted an intensive campaign lobbying the Israeli government against tearing down the illegal Palestinian homes in Silwan. The campaign included letters from the Middle East section of the State Department addressed to various Jerusalem municipalities, with copies of the letters sent to the offices of Israel's prime minister and foreign minister. The letters called on Israel to allow the illegal Palestinian homes in Silwan to remain and stated any demolitions would not foster an atmosphere of peace.
Also, in a follow-up visit here, State Department officials made it clear to their Israeli counterparts the U.S. opposes the Silwan bulldozing.
According to sources in the Israeli government, including in Netanyahu's administration, a decision has been made not to bulldoze the illegal Palestinian homes. The sources said the issue of the homes may be raised again in the future, but for the time being the houses will remain intact.
The sources attributed the decision against the bulldozing – which has not yet been announced – to the intense American campaign against the house demolitions.
Said one source in Netanyahu's administration, "This was very frustrating to us. Can you imagine if a foreign government came in and told a city office in the U.S. not to tear down a house that was illegally constructed on someone else's property?"
While Clinton opposed the Palestinian house demolitions, informed Israeli officials said the Obama administration is carefully monitoring Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem and has already protested to the highest levels of Israeli government about evidence of housing expansion in those areas.
The officials, who spoke on condition that their names be withheld, said that last month Obama's Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, oversaw the establishment of an apparatus based in the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem that closely monitors eastern Jerusalem neighborhoods, incorporating regular tours on a daily basis.
The officials said that in recent meetings Mitchell strongly protested Jewish construction in eastern Jerusalem. Mitchell also condemned the work of nationalist Jewish groups to purchase property in Jerusalem's Old City, including in areas intimately tied to Judaism.
Israel recaptured eastern Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount – Judaism's holiest site – during the 1967 Six Day War.
The Palestinians, however, have claimed eastern Jerusalem as a future capital. About 244,000 Arabs live in Jerusalem, mostly in eastern neighborhoods, out of a total population of 724,000, the majority Jewish.

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Obama about to bring the Wrath of God down on America!!!!

Obama preps for declaration of Palestinian state
Land grab would give Arabs historically Jewish territories


The Obama administration has asked the Palestinian Authority to halt talks on a unity government with Hamas, according to a senior PA official.

The official said the White House fears a unity government with the Islamist group would make it difficult for the U.S. and European Union to support the unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state in the United Nations.

The information is the latest indicator Obama will not veto the controversial U.N. resolution, which would recognize a Palestinian state in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip as well as the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem, purportedly including the Temple Mount.

Like Jerusalem, the West Bank, or Judea and Samaria, is the site of biblical, historically Jewish communities.

According to the PA official, the Obama administration is concerned that support for a U.N. declaration of Palestinian statehood could have a negative impact on the president's 2012 re-election bid.

The official said the White House has asked the PA to take their U.N. state request directly to the international body's General Assembly, the only U.N. organ in which all member nations have equal representation, instead of to the Security Council, where the U.S. holds veto power.

Previously, PA officials stated the Obama administration would not veto a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a Palestinian state.

In 2009, Ahmed Qurei, former PA prime minister and member of the Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee, told WND in an interview that the PA "reached an understanding with important elements within the administration" to possibly bring to the U.N. Security Council a resolution to unilaterally create a Palestinian state.

Asked to which "elements" he was referring, Qurei would only say they were from the Obama administration.

In a clear attempt to pave the way for a U.N. vote on the matter, the international body announced last week the PA possesses the capacity to function as a state.

"In six areas where the U.N. is most engaged, government functions are now sufficient for a functioning government of a state," stated a U.N. report released last Tuesday.

The six areas were: "governance, rule of law and human rights; livelihoods; education and culture; health; social protection; and infrastructure and water."

Still, the report cautioned, "The key constraints to the existence and successful functioning of the institutions of a potential state of Palestine arise primarily from the persistence of occupation and the unresolved issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

The reference to "occupation" is controversial, since the territories were never part of any previous Palestinian state and Israel is historically tied to the West Bank.

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American And European Diplomats To Israel: Surrender To Palestinian Demands Or We Will Give Them 1967 Borders With East Jerusalem As Capital

American and European diplomats warned that if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fails to present a new peace initiative soon, the Quartet may be compelled to recognize a Palestinian State in the 1967 borders, with east Jerusalem as its capital, the Los Angeles Times reported on Tuesday. According to the report, Netanyahu is under mounting pressure to unveil a new plan that would jump-start the deadlocked negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. If the prime minister does not deliver, the Quartet members – which include the United State, Russia, The European Union and the United Nations – may opt to resume the peace process by officially endorsing a Palestinian state. "The Israelis are facing a bit of pressure with the way things are proceeding," a western diplomat stationed in Israel told the newspaper. "People are starting to look to the US for some kind of action," he added.

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 06:49:37 pm »

Yikes!
Was this the reason behind the Billary ambassador recall? "guys, we're uh, no longer officially supporting israel."

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They surely could not say that one over the cables, eh?  Sad Omg.

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Being forced to hand over the Temple Mount to the Arabs just shows how secular and indifferent to God the ruling elite are in Israel. Brings back memories of the evil kings like Jeroboam.
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Europe considering recognition of Palestine

France says European states considering recognizing Palestine; Britain echoes sentiment, says 'nothing is off table with regard to recognition in September.' Israel's UN envoy: Peace cannot be imposed from outside

France said Thursday that European nations are considering recognizing a Palestinian state, heightening pressure on the United States and Israel to re-launch the Middle East peace process.

"Recognition of the state of Palestine is one of the options which France is considering, with its European partners, in a bid to re-launch the peace process," French ambassador Gerard Araud told a Security Council debate on the Middle East.

Britain also indicated that state recognition could be considered.

"Nothing is off the table with regard to recognition in September," said a British spokesman. "But nor are we specifying what conditions would be necessary, or sufficient, to recognize, or indeed not to recognize - we'll have to look at all relevant factors at the time."

Pressure has mounted on US President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to break the deadlock in the peace process. Obama will soon make a speech on the Middle East conflict, diplomats said.

"We expect that in a couple of weeks the president will have an opportunity to talk in more depth about the Middle East and North Africa," a senior US official said ahead of Thursday's UN Security Council debate.

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Obama's plan: Palestinian state, without right of return

White House works out peace deal that focuses on Israel accepting Palestinian state, Palestinians giving up right of return. PM plans to present own peace plan before Kensset, US Congress


The White House has been working on a new peace initiative for the past three months, one that revolves around a few key principles: A Palestinian state without the right of return, Jerusalem as the capital of both states, and an emphasis on Israel's security needs.

According to an article published in the New York Times Thursday, the details of the proposal are yet to be hashed out.

Officials at the Prime Minister's Office did not rush to respond to the NY Times report. Thursday evening, sources in Jerusalem said that Israel was not surprised by the American plan currently being worked out.

"Everyone knew something is being formulated in Washington," one official said.

At this time it's unclear whether Prime Minister Netanyahu was aware of the initiative and gave it his blessing. Some officials estimated that the Obama plan is meant to affect the PM's upcoming speech, which is expected to feature Israel's new peace initiative.

Though US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced last week that President Barack Obama will be “speaking in greater detail about America’s policy in the Middle East and North Africa in the coming weeks,” it is still unclear whether Obama will use the occasion to present a new peace plan.

An unnamed official told the Times that both Obama and Clinton are in favor of such move, while the president’s senior adviser on the Middle East, Dennis Ross, is against it.

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Israel official: Annex West Bank if U.N. declares PA statehood

Minister of nat'l infrastructure: I'll call for annexation if Palestinians get unilateral state in UN; "We have to take care of our interests."

Dr. Uzi Landau, Israel's Minister of National Infrastructure, warns that in the event of a unilateral United Nations declaration of a Palestinian state, he will call upon Israel to annex the Jordan Valley and large, Jewish populated blocs in the West Bank:

“We'll have to take care of our interests,” Landau told Inside Israel's Mordechai I. Twersky in a wide-ranging interview April 21. “We'll have to take protect ourselves. If such a thing happens, I'm going to suggest to my government to extend out sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and over the highly-populated blocs we have in Judea and Samaria, just to start with.”

The former chairman of the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee invoked the Bush Road Map and a letter of commitment issued by the former president committing to Israel's retention of major Jewish population centers in the West Bank in any negotiated settlement with the Palestinians. If that signed agreement can't be honored, he said, all bets are off.

“If we don't see negotiations, and if we do a policy which basically makes the entire Road Map agreement a hoax, Israel should take care of its own interests,” said Minister Landau.

Landau said the Arab Spring has brought chaos to the Middle east, and could well spread to the important western allies of Jordan and Saudi Arabia. He questioned the logic of Israel signing a peace deal with a Palestinian leader, whose own future and that of his government, remains tenuous at best.

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Palestinian statehood = Israeli suicide

A Messianic Jewish leader is shocked that nearly four-dozen Israeli intellectuals would support a plan that leaves the Jewish state indefensible.

The prominent Israeli intellectuals and artists are in favor of creating a Palestinian state based on the 1967 line that marks the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem.

47 signatories, including 16 recipients of the country's highest civilian honor, the Israel Prize, support the Palestinian drive for U.N. recognition. But progress in peace talks with Israel has come to a halt, as the Israeli government opposes the unilateral initiative that also calls for Israel to pull out from the West Bank because "the complete end of occupation is a fundamental condition for the freedom of both peoples."

"They're being told to go back to borders that are completely indefensible," laments Olive Tree Ministries founder Jan Markell. "I would like to ask some of these critics and some of these so-called 'artists and intellectuals' if they are in favor of Israel committing suicide. Not that God would allow that to happen, because he wouldn't, but nonetheless, the point is here are Israelis themselves wishing such an evil deed to come upon this little nation."

But unfortunately, she says the Israeli leftists have the same attitude as the Jewish left in the United States, which has no concern for the state of Israel.

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Obama about to bring the Wrath of God down on America!!!!

Obama preps for declaration of Palestinian state
Land grab would give Arabs historically Jewish territories


The Obama administration has asked the Palestinian Authority to halt talks on a unity government with Hamas, according to a senior PA official.

The official said the White House fears a unity government with the Islamist group would make it difficult for the U.S. and European Union to support the unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state in the United Nations.

The information is the latest indicator Obama will not veto the controversial U.N. resolution, which would recognize a Palestinian state in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip as well as the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem, purportedly including the Temple Mount.

Like Jerusalem, the West Bank, or Judea and Samaria, is the site of biblical, historically Jewish communities.

According to the PA official, the Obama administration is concerned that support for a U.N. declaration of Palestinian statehood could have a negative impact on the president's 2012 re-election bid.

The official said the White House has asked the PA to take their U.N. state request directly to the international body's General Assembly, the only U.N. organ in which all member nations have equal representation, instead of to the Security Council, where the U.S. holds veto power.

Previously, PA officials stated the Obama administration would not veto a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a Palestinian state.

In 2009, Ahmed Qurei, former PA prime minister and member of the Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee, told WND in an interview that the PA "reached an understanding with important elements within the administration" to possibly bring to the U.N. Security Council a resolution to unilaterally create a Palestinian state.

Asked to which "elements" he was referring, Qurei would only say they were from the Obama administration.

In a clear attempt to pave the way for a U.N. vote on the matter, the international body announced last week the PA possesses the capacity to function as a state.

"In six areas where the U.N. is most engaged, government functions are now sufficient for a functioning government of a state," stated a U.N. report released last Tuesday.

The six areas were: "governance, rule of law and human rights; livelihoods; education and culture; health; social protection; and infrastructure and water."

Still, the report cautioned, "The key constraints to the existence and successful functioning of the institutions of a potential state of Palestine arise primarily from the persistence of occupation and the unresolved issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

The reference to "occupation" is controversial, since the territories were never part of any previous Palestinian state and Israel is historically tied to the West Bank.

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NOTICE ALL THOSE TORNADOS LATLEY ?

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TEN MAJOR EVENTS
(Relating to Israel’s Covenant Land) 1. October 30,
1991: The Perfect Storm—As President George H. W. Bush
is opening the Madrid (Spain) Conference to consider
“land for peace” in Israel’s Middle East role, the
“perfect storm” develops in the North Atlantic,
creating the largest waves ever recorded in that
region. The storm travels 1000 miles from “east to
west” instead of the normal “west to east” pattern and
crashes into the New England Coast. Thirty-five foot
waves crash into the Kennebunkport home of President
Bush.

2. August 23, 1992: Hurricane Andrew—When the Madrid
Conference moves to Washington DC and the peace talks
resume, Hurricane Andrew, the worst natural disaster
ever to hit America, comes ashore and produces an
estimated $30 billion in damage and leaving 180,000
homeless in Florida.

3. January 16, 1994: Northridge Earthquake—President
Bill Clinton meets with Syria's President Hafez
el-Assad in Geneva. They talk about a peace agreement
with Israel that includes giving up the Golan Heights.
Within 24 hours, a powerful 6.9 earthquake rocks
Southern California, This quake, centered in
Northridge, becomes the second most destructive
natural disaster to hit the United States, behind
Hurricane Andrew,

4. January 21, 1998: Lewinsky Scandal—Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with President
Clinton at the White House and is coldly received.
Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
refuse to have lunch with him. Shortly afterwards on
that day, the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks into the
mass media and begins to occupy a major portion of
Clinton's time.

5. September 28, 1998: Hurricane George—As Secretary
of State Albright works on the final details of an
agreement in which Israel would give up 13 percent of
Yesha (Judah and Samaria), Hurricane George slams into
the United States Gulf Coast with 110 mph winds and
gusts up to 175 mph. The hurricane hits the coast and
stalled. On September 28, Clinton meets with Yasser
Arafat and Netanyahu at the White House to finalize
this land deal. Later, Arafat addresses the United
Nations about declaring an independent Palestinian
state by May 1999, as Hurricane George pounds the Gulf
Coast, causing $1 billion in damage. At the exact time
that Arafat departs the country, the storm begins to
dissipate.

6. October 15-22, 1998: Texas Flooded—On October 15,
1998, Arafat and Netanyahu meet at the Wye River
Plantation in Maryland. The talks are scheduled to
last five days with the focus on Israel giving up 13
percent of Yesha. The talks are extended and conclude
on October 23. On October 17, awesome rains and
tornadoes hit southern Texas. The San Antonio area is
deluged with rain. The rain and flooding in Texas
continue until October 22 and then subside. The floods
ravage 25 percent of Texas and leave over one billion
dollars in damage. On October 21, Clinton declares
this section of Texas a major disaster area.

7. November 30, 1998: Market Capitalization
Evaporates—Arafat comes to Washington again to meet
with President Clinton to raise money for a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital. A
total of 42 other nations were represented in
Washington. All the nations agreed to give Arafat $3
billion in aid. Clinton promised $400 million, and the
European nations $1.7 billion. On the same day, the
Dow Jones average drops 216 points, and on December 1,
the European Market had its third worst day in
history. Hundreds of billions of market capitalization
were wiped out in the U.S. and Europe.

8. December 12, 1998: Clinton is Impeached—As Clinton
lands in the Palestinian-controlled section of Israel
to discuss the “land for peace” process, the House of
Representatives votes four articles of impeachment
against him.

9. May 3, 1999: The Powerful Super Tornado—On the day
that Yasser Arafat is scheduled to declare a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as the capital, the
most powerful tornado storm system ever to hit the
United States sweeps across Oklahoma and Kansas. The
winds are clocked at 316 mph the fastest wind speed
ever recorded. The declaration is postponed to
December 1999 at the request of President Clinton,
whose letter to Arafat encourages him in his
"aspirations for his own land." He also writes that
the Palestinians have a right to "determine their own
future on their own land" and that they deserve to
"live free, today, tomorrow and forever."

10. Week of October 11: Hurricane, Earthquake and Dow
Collapse—As Jewish settlers in 15 West Bank (Israel)
settlements are evicted from the covenant land in
Israel, the Dow-Jones financial averages lose 5.7
percent in the worst week since October 1989. On
October 15 the Dow lost 266 points, and a hurricane
slams into North Carolina. On the next morning,
October 16, a magnitude 7.1 earthquake rocks the
southwest in the fifth most powerful earthquake in
20th Century. The earthquake was centered in the
California desert and did little damage but was felt
in three states.

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 01:40:10 pm »

Dok, you wanna know something?

When I used google earth for the first time, I searched "obama" and found his house in Chicago, lol.
You know he had Palestinians over all the time for dinner parties in the back yard celebrating the plans we are seeing unfold today?

The house is directly across the street from a Jewish Synagogue. I am not kidding, it's what was in the picture of the street view at that time. Was a couple years back.

There was also a Jewish settlement in Palestine which was named after someone affiliated with him, but I can't remember what they called it.

Eek >.<

Very disrespectful, strange choice of where to place the home. Unless there is more than meets the eye.

Please also be cognizant of weather warfare. Is america being hit by another country? remember BAE controls haarp now and the british/israelis seem rather.. close...
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FWIW - I think I'm getting a clearer picture of this so-called "Zionism" - pretty much, it has an OUTWARD APPEARANCE of building a Jewish state, but their REAL intentions are to war against the Jewish people in Israel by starting a conflict b/w them and the Palestineans, hoping to eradicate the Jewish people.

I believe John Todd even clarified what Zionism really is(ie-he made it clear that it's NOT a Jewish conspiracy).

So yes, we're at the tip of the iceberg now where we have a Muslim in the White House(a puppet to boot as well). You get the rest of the story.
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Arkansas Tornadoes Add to Possible April Record

Tue Apr 26, 7:20 pm ET
Deadly storms, including reported tornadoes, pounded Arkansas yesterday (April 26), adding to what is likely to be a record tornado count for the month of April.

Four deaths in Arkansas were reported from the severe storms yesterday. If those deaths are attributed to tornadoes, the first four months of 2011 will have matched the tornado death toll for all of last year. These intense storms are not letting up today; they're reloading and sweeping across the Midwest and Southeast. [In Images: The Tornado Damage Scale]

Tornado reports have been pouring into the nation's Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla., and by the time the month comes to an end, it is likely to have set a new April maximum, said the SPC’s Greg Carbin. [Infographic: Tornado! An Inside Look at Tornado Season]

The Weather Channel has reported the confirmation of 292 tornadoes in the United States so far this month, besting the previous April record of 267 in 1974. Storm survey teams continue to assess the damage from this month's storms and could change the number of confirmed tornadoes. The average for April is only 116, according to the SPC.

Remember '74

Counts of tornadoes and tornado damage today are higher than ever due to more people reporting tornadoes, and more buildings being hit as the country's population grows and its cities and towns expand. Storm chaser videos of funnel clouds are posted daily to YouTube, and rarely does a small tornado go unnoticed anymore.

Carbin said that if April 1974 were adjusted to account for unreported tornadoes, an extra hundred or so could be added to its total.

Even so, this current April could be a record-breaker.

"It's a big month, there's no question about it," Carbin told OurAmazingPlanet.

Along with amazing videos of twin and even triplet tornadoes have come new tornado records in several states.

In North Carolina, 28 tornadoes have been confirmed for April 16, a record outbreak for any single day there.

In Wisconsin, 14 tornadoes struck on April 10, the biggest outbreak for any April day in the state's history.

Yet none of these outbreaks comes close to matching the "granddaddy of them all," as Carbin called it — the "Super Outbreak" of April 3-4, 1974, when more than 148 tornadoes were confirmed and 330 people were killed.

Deadly spring

Tornadoes have killed 41 people this year, most of them in mobile homes. The Arkansas deaths could push the total to 45, matching the death toll for all of last year.

North Carolina has suffered the most this year, with 26 deaths, all from a single April outbreak. That was the deadliest outbreak in the state since the "Super Tuesday" storms of February 2008, when 57 people died in Dixie Alley, the southeastern extension of Tornado Alley.

In 2008, during a season among the all-time highest for number of tornadoes, 126 people were killed. As staggering as these death tolls are, they've been dramatically reduced in recent years due to better forecasting and warnings.

Mike Smith, chief executive officer of Weather Data Services, a part of AccuWeather, believes that at least 100 lives were saved by the warnings before a massive EF-4 tornado — the strongest of the year so far — struck near St. Louis on Good Friday (April 22).

Severe weather reloading

This spring's severe weather seems to be rapidly reloading between storms. That could be due to a lingering La Niña — the opposite phase of El Niño — when the equatorial waters of the Pacific Ocean are abnormally cool, said Grady Dixon, a climatologist and meteorologist at Mississippi State University in Starkville.

Along with creating dry weather in the Southwest, contributing to the historic wildfires in Texas, La Niña tends to guide the jet stream north through the Pacific Northwest and Great Lakes, trapping cold air on the northern side and the warm, humid air needed for thunderstorms on the southern side.

"This setup means that the southern U.S. experiences ample moisture without many cold fronts sweeping through to dry out the atmosphere." Dixon said. "This allows rapid recharge in between severe events."

Not all La Niña events are associated with highly active severe weather seasons, Dixon said, but some years with similar La Niña characteristics are also historic tornado years, including 1974, 1999 ? which saw an EF-5 tornado devastate Moore, Okla. ? and 2008.

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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2011, 01:55:29 am »

FWIW - I think I'm getting a clearer picture of this so-called "Zionism" - pretty much, it has an OUTWARD APPEARANCE of building a Jewish state, but their REAL intentions are to war against the Jewish people in Israel by starting a conflict b/w them and the Palestineans, hoping to eradicate the Jewish people.

I believe John Todd even clarified what Zionism really is(ie-he made it clear that it's NOT a Jewish conspiracy).

So yes, we're at the tip of the iceberg now where we have a Muslim in the White House(a puppet to boot as well). You get the rest of the story.
i think you hit the nail on the head, it's one of the things in my horrific blog article today anyhow @@

the people behind the israeli-palestinian conflict, can you guess? B R I T A I N

since before WWI?
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2011, 06:09:38 am »

Back in 1947/48 When the UN decided to say to countries to vote yes or no should Israel be a nation, the Russians shocked everyone by voting that Israel should be a new country. Everything before that suggested that Russia was against Israel. The reason the Russians said they supported Israel is because they thought that the Arab armies surrounding Israel would easily defeat Israel and then the Arabs would expel any Jews and the Arabs could have the land. Guess what happened, Israel is still around to day and as strong as ever. I wonder what the Russians today think about dividing Israel and Jerusalem?  Huh
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Palestinian Officials: Unity Agreement Reached

 Rival Palestinian groups said they reached an agreement Wednesday on reuniting their governments in the West Bank and Gaza after years of bitter infighting that weakened them politically and caused the deaths of hundreds in violent clashes and crackdowns since.

Even as the tentative agreement revived hopes among Palestinians that they might be able to form a unified front, unity between the rival groups Fatah and Hamas appeared unlikely to jump start negotiations with Israel for an independent Palestinian state.

Israel swiftly rejected the prospect of a Palestinian government including Hamas, citing the militant group's stated goal of destroying the Jewish state. The U.S. expressed similar concerns.

The plan, brokered by Egypt, calls for the formation of a single caretaker government in the coming days. The government would administer day-to-day business until new presidential and legislative elections are to be held in a year's time.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 06:45:24 am »

i think you hit the nail on the head, it's one of the things in my horrific blog article today anyhow @@

the people behind the israeli-palestinian conflict, can you guess? B R I T A I N

since before WWI?

The conflict goes back thousands of years ago, and the rebirth of Israel is from God.

SPIRITUAL ROOTS OF THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT
http://www.lightomega.org/worldwatch/Spiritual-Roots-Arab-Israeli-Conflict.html

see Ezekiel 36 for God bringing Israel back for himself.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 09:56:43 am »

I agree, but britain is definitely one of the enormous powers directly involved; their troops were literally in the area for years.

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I think they want to hold Jerusalem eventually because then as a "SPIRITUAL/theocratic/absolute" world power they would be able to go toe to toe with ROme; it would be a nasty fight between the church of england and rome, or else they will simply unify the two powers (as we are seeing) and have the two world capitols.

that could be naive thinking, but most empires desire "legitimacy" and "manifest destiny", as they understand it, "proves" to them that they are carrying out "God's will" (kind of sick thinking?). I never was a fan of divine right.

We will all push up daisies when we die (if there is anything to bury), so I have trouble comprehending the enormous investments of the "elite" and "royals".

Russia probably wants to put the whole Israel thing to rest, from the atheist perspective; however, England probably sees Jerusalem as a big golden apple -- they want a city that is not theirs to have. They empower the enemies of Israel while pretending to support her.

wtf  =(

edit: i cannot imagine the difficulty of having been raised the way that some of those rulers were, and being expected to show any empathy at all. they were raised to despise those they rule.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2011, 04:22:09 am »

NYT: WHITE HOUSE DEBATE OVER MIDEAST SPEECH... DEVELOPING...


Against the backdrop of Middle East uprisings that have intensified animus toward Israel and growing momentum for global recognition of a Palestinian state, American and Israeli officials are struggling to balance national security interests against the need to adapt to a transformative movement in the Arab world.

The White House unveiled a $2 billion multiyear economic aid package for Egypt, which officials say would largely shift existing funds. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel prepared to arrive in Washington with a package that he hoped would shift the burden of restarting the peace process to the Palestinians.

Mr. Obama, who is set to address Americans — and, more significantly, Muslims around the world — from the State Department on Thursday morning, may yet have something surprising up his sleeve. One administration official said that there remained debate about whether Mr. Obama would formally endorse Israel’s pre-1967 borders as the starting point for negotiations over a Palestinian state, a move that would send an oratorical signal that the United States expected Israel to make concessions.

But Mr. Obama did not plan to present an American blueprint for peace, White House officials said, and it remained unclear if he would even endorse a Palestinian state on pre-1967 lines, a move opposed, administration officials said, by his chief Middle East adviser, Dennis Ross. Mr. Obama did seek to increase pressure on Syria by imposing largely symbolic sanctions on its leader, President Bashar al-Assad, in the wake of the bloody crackdown there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/world/middleeast/19diplo.html?_r=2&hp

Something is going on for today.....
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