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« Reply #450 on: December 19, 2013, 07:17:31 am »

this story makes you laugh as its so true...

‘The Floodgates of Bullcrap’: Palestinians Blame Israel for Flooding Gaza…by Opening Dams that Don’t Really Exist

Palestinian media and officials are facing ridicule in the Israeli press for blaming the Israeli government for flooding the Gaza Strip by opening dams. But there’s one problem: Israel says those alleged dams don’t exist.
 
“Even the weather is fair game in Hamas’s war of words against Israel,” wrote the Times of Israel, while the blog Israelly Cool had this headline: “Palestinians and Supporters Open the Floodgates of Bullcrap.”
 
  • f course no crisis in Gaza can go to waste without blaming it on Israel,” Israelly Cool wrote.

The claim of Israel intentionally flooding Gaza has made headlines in the pro-Palestinian media over the past week in which a freak winter storm hit the Middle East with a deluge of rain and snow, including a once-in-a-century snowfall in neighboring Egypt.

The pro-Palestinian publication Middle East Monitor wrote on December 16th, “Israel has opened the Wadi Sofa Dam east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, flooding dozens of houses and leaving hundreds of people homeless.”
 
That claim appears to have originated with an announcement on Friday by the Hamas government’s Disaster Response Committee, saying that Israel had opened dams just east of Gaza, “flooding numerous residential areas in nearby villages within the coastal territory,” reported Ma’an, an independent Palestinian news agency.
 
Mayor of Rafah Issa Nashar echoed the claim, saying on Sunday, “Israel has indeed opened the dam which led to drowning the neighboring areas with accumulated rain water up to 1 meter deep.”
 
But Israeli officials contend no dams exist in the area. Uri Schor, a spokesman for Israel’s Water Authority, told the Times of Israel, “The allegation of [Israel] opening dams and flooding the Gaza Strip is baseless and false.”

Schor said that water reservoirs have overflowed across the entire area which caused flooding. Not only did Israel not cause the flooding, Israel sent aid to the Palestinians.
 
“Israel responded to a special appeal conveyed through the UN, transferring four high-power pumps to the Gaza Strip intended to help residents remove water from flooded areas,” he said.
 
Indeed the huge rainfall did cause extensive flooding in Gaza, as described thus in the Times of Israel:
 

The Gaza Strip was one of the areas most affected by the storm Alexa. Torrential rain caused widespread flooding, forcing some 40,000 residents to evacuate their homes as rescuers used rowboats to assist stranded civilians. UNRWA, a UN agency tasked with assisting Palestinian refugees, described parts of northern Gaza Strip as a disaster zone.
 
Rainfall of 260 millimeters (10.23 inches) was documented in the Gaza area between December 11 and 13, comprising a staggering 60 percent of the annual average for the region.
 
Another Palestinian official, Civil Defense spokesman Muhammad Al-Maidana, accused Israel of opening sewage canals near Gaza, “exacerbating the crisis and raising the water level, causing homes to be submerged.”
 
The Times of Israel found another report on the Palestinian website Al-Majd that even claimed  Israel had opened the dams in an effort to expose Hamas smuggling tunnels between Egypt and Gaza.
 
“For Gaza to drown is an old Zionist dream,” the site wrote.

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« Reply #451 on: December 19, 2013, 03:21:43 pm »

 Cheesy Yeah, sometimes it's SO silly, you have to laugh.

While for centuries, rulers would duped their public through various means, but commonly through their chosen religious sects and cults, because the ignorant public didn't know any better, and feared that they might "anger the gods", they would bow to the religious leaders, who would feed the public the main government line. Well, it seems the Palestinian leadership is still trying to dupe the public with lies, and the fanatical ignorant public just eats it up.

But then I wonder how long they will manage to pull it off due to the growing use of smart phones. I'd imagine somebody checked out what dam they were talking about and found no dam on Google Earth.
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« Reply #452 on: December 20, 2013, 05:46:28 am »

Israel and the Myth of Occupation
By Salomon Benzimra

The political right wing in Israel has finally recovered its voice.  In an open letter to PM Netanyahu, published in Haaretz (Hebrew Edition) on September 20, 2013, a group of 19 Knesset members urged Netanyahu to uphold the sovereign rights on the whole Land of Israel.  With the looming failure of the ongoing round of "peace negotiations," most right-wing politicians, academics, and media pundits are more than ever convinced of the sheer disaster that the Oslo peace process has produced.  And they are openly advocating a new course of action.

But the right-wing camp run the risk of been divided -- and their message discredited -- if they choose to play the game of their political opponents from the left, who incessantly demand that they produce a detailed plan on how to fully solve the "Palestinian question."

Probably unaware of this trap, many capable right-wing thinkers are sketching out a variety of peace plans based on their own knowledge and expertise.  Each one of these plans may have its merits.  But all of them will be virulently attacked by the traditional left-wing pundits and politicians, who have been symbiotically tied to the ill-fated concepts of "land for peace" and "two-state solution" for the past twenty years.  Old habits die hard and often blur rational thought.

The Israeli right wing should avoid falling into the same defeatist trap.  The right-wing camp should remember that the main reason for the failure of the Oslo process was the reckless attempt to cover all the areas of concern from its inception.  The so-called Declaration of Principles (Oslo I, 1993) was long on minutiae (procedures for Palestinian elections, size and capability of their police force, Israeli withdrawal schedules, transfer of powers, economic development, social programmes, etc.) and short on principles, to the extent that the very compatibility of the objectives pursued by the two parties was never broached, let alone ascertained.  The Interim Agreement (Oslo II, 1995) further obscured the essentials in an intricate web of details.

In 1948, George Orwell observed: "At any given moment, there is a sort of all-prevailing orthodoxy, a general tacit agreement not to discuss some large and uncomfortable fact."  Today, the all-prevailing orthodoxy rests on the false notion of "occupied Palestinian territories."

The Israeli right wing should challenge the "myth of occupation" and stay away from elaborating detailed peace plans at this stage.  Sadly, the myth of occupation was given birth by the Levi Eshkol government in the wake of the Six-Day War, in breach of Israel's Basic Law.  It was later amplified and propagated by the PLO and their Marxist enablers in the early 1970s with innumerable U.N. General Assembly resolutions, culminating in UNGA Resolution 3236.  Today, the myth of occupation is the cornerstone of the Palestinian narrative, and every anti-Zionist group in the world strives to keep this myth alive.

How to demolish the myth of occupation?  This Orwellian "all-prevailing orthodoxy" should be confronted by recognizing -- once again -- the historical connection of the Jewish people to Palestine and the necessity of reconstituting the Jewish state in the whole region west of the Jordan River, as it was initially established under international law at the San Remo Conference in 1920 and spelled out in the Mandate for Palestine.  These acquired rights of the Jewish people have never been abrogated; they are preserved to this day in Article 80 of the U.N. Charter and in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, and they are confirmed in the Levy Report, still pending official approval by the Israeli government.

The importance of demolishing this myth cannot be overstated.  Once the "uncomfortable facts" pertaining to recent history and the provisions of international law are restored, Judea and Samaria will inevitably be once again recognized as Jewish land.  The "prevailing orthodoxy" will not survive the shock.


The Palestinian Arabs will be hard-pressed to justify their untenable rejection of Israel as a Jewish State.
The acknowledgement of Jewish sovereignty over Judea and Samaria will, for the first time, make any further Israeli concession meaningful, rather than being viewed by the Palestinian Arabs as an obligation from an occupying power.
The legality of the "settlements" will cease to be questioned.
The baseless European "guidelines" to selectively boycott Jewish settlements will be fatally punctured, and nothing will be more exhilarating than to observe the EU's arrogance crumble.

To the question that will predictably be asked -- "But what is the actual solution to the Palestinian question?" -- we should respond with confident modesty: at this stage, we don't know, but surely the solution cannot be based on historical and legal falsehoods.  So let us first restore the basic facts pertaining to history and law, and observe the tremors created by this unexpected surge of truth among the myth-peddlers and in the turbulent Arab world.  When all the pieces fall in their place, then and only then we will be able to propose a cogent plan for the betterment of all the populations concerned on the basis of a new and meaningful Declaration of Principles.

Not defining a detailed peace plan denotes no lack of courage or vision.  It is simply a question of giving precedence to factual evidence and justice over "peace at any cost."  The left conceived and supported the successive peace plans -- Oslo, Roadmap, Geneva Initiative, Annapolis, etc.  They strove to implement them and witnessed the bloody trail these plans left behind, and the damaging of Israel's image worldwide.  Now, not to feel alone in their failure, they demand that the right follow their same insane ideas and produce a competing peace plan while, of course, ignoring the fundamental territorial rights of the Jewish people.

Surely this tack should be rejected, as it is not only premature and futile, but counterproductive to a lasting peace in the region.


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« Reply #453 on: December 27, 2013, 10:08:58 am »

'Framework peace deal could be reached by end of month'

Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reports that Israeli-Palestinian peace talks are on verge of breakthrough • Arab League Secretary-General Nabil Elaraby: Not a single Israeli soldier can remain in the territory of a future Palestinian state.

The Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations are on the verge of a breakthrough and an American-drafted framework agreement could be signed by the end of the month, the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat reported on Sunday.

The report cited Arab League officials who said that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas presented them with the details of the U.S. plan at an emergency meeting of the Arab League foreign ministers that was held in Cairo this weekend at the request of the Palestinians.

Arab diplomats quoted in the report said that Abbas expressed disappointment in the American plan, which he claimed favored Israeli security interests over other core issues that must be resolved in a final status agreement.

"The Americans are determined to present an agreement by the end of December and have already chosen a location for the signing ceremony for the framework agreement," Abbas reportedly told Arab diplomats.

Palestinian officials in Ramallah confirmed the report and said U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to present the final outline for the framework agreement during his upcoming visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories at the end of the week.

Meanwhile, the Arab League rejected on Saturday a reported U.S. proposal that would allow for a continued Israeli military presence on the eastern border of a future Palestinian state.

Palestinian officials have said Kerry's proposal that was made earlier this month included letting Israel maintain control of a Palestinian state's border with Jordan for at least 10 years to address Israel's concerns about a potential influx of terrorists and weapons.

At the Arab League meeting in Cairo on Saturday, Arab League Secretary-General Nabil Elaraby said that not a single Israeli soldier could remain in the territory of a Palestinian state.

An Arab League report on the issue called Kerry's proposal "dangerous to the Palestinians," saying it "achieved Israeli security expansionist demands, and guaranteed [Israel's] continued control of [the Jordan Valley] on the security pretext." The report also characterized the proposal as "an American retreat."

Aides to Abbas have criticized the proposal. One aide, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the negotiations, told Reuters on Saturday that the Palestinians are trying to shorten the time span of any Israeli withdrawal.

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« Reply #454 on: December 27, 2013, 10:23:16 am »

Likud pushing bill to annex Jordan Valley

If legislature becomes law, PM would be unable to accept US offer to place Jordan Valley, border crossing under Palestinian control.

Likud ministers and lawmakers are trying to limit Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s freedom in peace talks, with MK Miri Regev submitting a bill on Thursday to annex the Jordan Valley.

If Regev’s bill becomes law, Netanyahu would be unable to accept the American offer to put the Jordan Valley and border crossings into Jordan under Palestinian control, with IDF soldiers posted at the border and the US providing additional security.

According to Regev’s office, all Likud ministers other than Netanyahu support the bill and it has enough votes to be authorized by the Ministerial Committee for Legislation.

However, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, who is leading negotiations with the Palestinian Authority, is the chairwoman of the Ministerial Committee for Legislation. She is likely to try to block the bill, either by not bringing it to a vote or submitting an appeal if it is approved.

Still, Likud ministers could push the legislation forward and demand that it be brought to a general ministerial vote.

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« Reply #455 on: January 01, 2014, 06:31:42 am »

Cameron, Merkel headed to Israel next month
Diplomatic official denies report British and German leaders’ visits are tied to peace talks


British Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will both visit Israel next month, Foreign Ministry officials said Wednesday.

The leaders will make the trips within days of each other in mid-February, though they won’t won’t overlap.

While the trips will come amid peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, an Israeli diplomatic official denied an Israeli TV report that the purpose of the visits was to push along peace talks.

The official told the Times of Israel that while the leaders will likely comment on the peace process, it will not be the focus of the visits.

The visit will be the first to Israel for Cameron since he was elected prime minister in 2010.

Cameron told Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein in early December that he would visit Israel sometime in 2014. He also said he would “happily” deliver a speech to the Knesset.

The two spoke at the Nelson Mandela memorial in Johannesburg.

For Merkel, the trip will be made with a number of Cabinet ministers in order to reciprocate a visit made by Netanyahu last year, in the framework of the “government to government” program.

Diplomatic offices in both countries, closed for the New Years holiday, were unavailable for comment.

News of the visits came as US Secretary of State John Kerry was expected in Israel Thursday for his 10th visit to the region as part of ongoing peace talks.

Kerry is expected to present the sides with a US-drafted framework agreement that will set the outlines for a permanent deal, allowing Jerusalem and Ramallah to keep negotiating beyond an April deadline.

Merkel last visited Israel in January 2011. Her newly installed foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, is expected to make a trip to the region next week.

Berlin in particular, because of its history in the Holocaust, has been vocal about its commitment to Israel’s security, recently selling Jerusalem a series of advanced submarines at a subsidized price.

“We’ll never be neutral and … Israel can be sure of our support when it comes to ensuring its security,” Merkel told a Jewish magazine in Germany in August. “That’s why I also said that Germany’s support for Israel’s security is part of our national ethos, our raison d’être.”

Britain and Germany have both been critical of Israel’s settlement policies and have pushed for the sides to reach an agreement based on a two-state solution, though much of their involvement in the peace process has been outsourced to the European Union, which is a member of the Quartet for Mideast Peace.

The two countries were also recently party to an agreement between Iran and the P5+1 which calls for eased sanctions of Tehran in exchange for curbs on nuclear activity and more robust oversight. Israel has been critical of the deal, which has yet to be implemented.

On Tuesday, German newspaper Der Speigel reported that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani may visit Munich for a security conference at the end of January.

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« Reply #456 on: January 03, 2014, 06:43:18 am »

US Deal Will Trade Off ‘Jewish’ Israel for 1967 Lines — Report

John Kerry will offer Israeli and Palestinian negotiators a political trade-off: Israeli recognition of the 1967 lines as a basis for the future Palestinian state, in return for Palestinian recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish people, Palestinian sources told the Saudi daily Al-Watan on Sunday.   According to the sources, the mutual recognition will constitute the core of a framework agreement to be signed by the end of January, and negotiated in greater detail during the following months. “The coming weeks will be difficult for the Palestinian and Israeli sides, since they will need to make tough decisions,” a source  a source told Al-Watan...Kerry is to visit the region...   
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« Reply #457 on: January 03, 2014, 02:29:01 pm »

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in return for Palestinian recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish people, Palestinian sources told the Saudi daily Al-Watan on Sunday.

For starters, it's suspect that a "Palestinian source" tells a Saudi news outlet. But the real issue is how they refer to Israel as "the state of the Jewish people". Israel is not Jewish! The state of Israel is secular, that happens to have some citizens that are Jewish, just like their are secular Arabs among "Palestinians".
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http://debka.com/article/23579/
Netanyahu plans a national referendum on US peace framework to extend negotiations for another year

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 7, 2014, 9:57 PM (IDT)

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is planning to conduct the first popular referendum in Israel’s history to ratify the amended peace framework proposal which US Secretary of State John Kerry is drafting for presentation in the coming weeks, debkafile reveals.

The prime minister has been quoted as saying that he needs the referendum to push back “domestic pressures from the right”, but in any case he believes it will be politically advantageous. He has confided to his closest circle that for the first time that he is in favor of the Kerry proposals and, although they don’t see eye to eye on many of the issues, he thinks the gaps between them can be bridged.

 Netanyahu is counting on the the framework accord gaining an overwhelming popular majority in referendum. Although it is not yet a final-status agreement, the document will lay out principles for solutions of the core issues at dispute between Israel and the Palestinians.

 After Netanyahu and Abu Mazen affirm this paper, it will be possible to extend the negotiating time frame for a final accord by at least another year and so get past the original nine-month deadline which expires at the end of April.

Our sources add that the prime minister regards the Obama administration’s acceptance of Israel as the Jewish national state to be an historic achievement of unparalleled importance. He believes he can find common ground with Secretary Kerry on Jerusalem as well. He was encouraged to learn that Kerry is working on a formula that avoids citing E. Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state, only as a goal for their national aspirations.

Intense exchanges are gong back and forth on the security arrangements for the Jordan Valley which runs along Israel’s eastern border, and the number and area of the Jewish settlements remaining under Israeli sovereignty. 

A number of settlements outside the main blocs are due for removal, despite reports to the contrary, but the argument among the Americans, Israelis and Palestinians is over a timetable for their staged evacuation which is counted in years.
 US Ambassador Dan Shapiro precisely defined the current state of the negotiating process when he said in an interview to Kol Israel Radio Tuesday, Jan. 7, that the proposed US framework in which new elements have been introduced is not designed to generate an interim accord but “a final agreement on all the issues at the center of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.”

Further exclusive details on the new elements and their import will appear in the coming issue of DEBKA Weekly out next Friday. If you are not already a subscriber, click here to sign on.

Netanyahu does not expect the right-of-center Jewish Home to actually quit the government coalition over the US initiative, even though its leader, the Economy Minister Naftali Bennet, declared Tuesday that his party would not stay in a government that withdraws to the pre-1967 borders or repartitions Jerusalem.

Circles close to the prime minister said that he hopes Kerry won’t have a sudden change of heart and go back on his plans and their points of agreement, because then the huge effort invested in the current peace process will turn to dust.
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« Reply #459 on: January 13, 2014, 04:16:45 pm »

Abbas: Without East Jerusalem there will be no peace with Israel
 
 Published yesterday (updated) 12/01/2014 11:54
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RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas told a
delegation on Saturday that without East Jerusalem as the capital of the
future Palestinian state, there will be "no peace between us and Israel."
 
Speaking to a popular delegation from Jerusalem Saturday in his office in
Ramallah, Abbas highlighted that the Arab Follow-up Committee would
reiterate this stance during a meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry
on Sunday.
 
"He will be told that occupied East Jerusalem is the capital of the state of
Palestine, and without this there will be no peace between us and Israel."
 
The current round of negotiations has been limited to nine months after
which "we are free to do whatever we want," he said, highlighting that, "the
time frame is limited and not open, and our unanimous position isn't
secret."
 
He added that he heard that they (the Israelis) had refused to mention
Jerusalem in any talks or negotiations.
 
"Let them say whatever they say. Unless it is mentioned clearly and marked
in big fonts that it is the capital of the state of Palestine, there will be
no peace with them and I want them to hear this."
 
"Our language is understandable. We have been hearing lots of talks about
the capital here and there. The (Palestinian) capital is Jerusalem and its
surroundings in Jerusalem which were occupied in 1967."
 
Jerusalem doesn't mean Abu Dis, but Abu Dis is part of Jerusalem, he added,
referring to a neighborhood of Jerusalem cut off by the separation wall from
the rest of the city.
 
Abbas highlighted that he is adhering to a stance that has long been
official policy.
 
"We have a right even though we are weak in the world. We will continue to
demand our rights and we will realize them."
 
Abbas added that the whole world had started to "know and understand our
grievances and pains" and that European countries have started to support
the Palestinian cause by boycotting products from Israeli settlements.
Countries in North America, Latin America and Africa are doing the same, he
added.
 
The Palestinian president denied Israeli claims that an agreement had been
reached between the two sides to allow Israel to build more settlements when
a group of Palestinian prisoners is released from Israeli jails.
 
"The Israelis link between prisoners and settlements. When a group is
released, they build settlement units and claim this has been agreed on."
 
"These are lies as there is definitely no relation between releasing
prisoners and settlements. Settlements are illegal from the beginning to the
end."
 
Peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians were relaunched in July under
the auspices of the United States after nearly three years of impasse.
 
Israel's government has announced the construction of thousands of housing
units in illegal settlements since peace talks began.
 
The Palestinian negotiating team resigned in protest against continued
Israeli settlement construction in mid-November, dealing a major blow to
negotiations between Israel and the PLO that had already been stalled.
 
Negotiator Mohammed Shtayyeh told AFP at the time that they resigned in
response to "increasing settlement building (by Israel) and the absence of
any hope of achieving results," following Netanyahu's announcement that
Israel would build 20,000 new settlement homes in the West Bank.
 
The internationally recognized Palestinian territories of which the West
Bank and East Jerusalem form a part have been occupied by the Israeli
military since 1967.
 
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« Reply #460 on: January 13, 2014, 04:28:38 pm »

The Vatican has been coveting East Jerusalem too for quite a while now.
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How Can Israel Negotiate Peace With People That Are Absolutely Obsessed With Exterminating It?

The Obama administration would have us believe that there will be “lasting peace” in the Middle East if Israel will just agree to a two-state solution based on pre-1967 borders.  Once there is a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as the capital, Obama insists that the threat of war will be over.  But is that actually true?  Of course not.  As you will see below, the people that Israel is “negotiating” with are taught from a very early age to hate the Jewish people and that every Muslim is called by Allah to work toward the total elimination of the nation of Israel.  If a temporary “peace agreement” will allow them to partially reach that goal, then that is acceptable.  In Islam, there is a long history of using temporary treaties to advance the cause of jihad that goes all the way back to Muhammed himself.  And there is a doctrine in Islam known as “Tawriya” that allows a Muslim to lie to others as long as he is able “to articulate his deceit in a way that is true to him“.  As far as Hamas, Hezbollah and the leadership of the Palestinian Authority are concerned, their ultimate goal has never changed.  In fact, a senior Palestinian Authority official recently stated during a Syrian television program that a treaty with Israel will just be one step toward destroying Israel in stages…
 
In response to concern expressed by the interviewer that any US-imposed deal would be “deficient”, insofar as it would “only” require Israel to cede Judea and Samaria, a smiling Zaki urges calm.
 
“You can relax. We find ourselves united for the first time. Even the most extreme among us, Hamas, or the fighting forces, want a state within the ’67 borders [sic]. Afterward, we [will] have something to say, because the inspiring idea cannot be achieved all at once. [Rather] in stages,” he responded.
 
You can watch video of those comments being made right here…



One of the parties that Israel must come to agreement with for any “peace treaty” to work is Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip.  The founding document of Hamas is exceedingly clear about what the purpose of that organization is.  The following are just a few quotes from the Hamas Charter…
 
-”Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
 
-”The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.”
 
-”The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”
 
Is Hamas going to change their Charter before they agree to a treaty with Israel?
 
Of course not, because the ultimate goals of Hamas have not changed.
 
When Ariel Sharon recently died, the true feelings of the Palestinian people came out once again just like they did during the aftermath of 9/11.  According to one recent news report, even Palestinian children were greatly celebrating the death of Sharon…
 
“Palestinian children hold weapons, celebrate, and chant slogans against Israel after hearing of the death of Ariel Sharon, the hard-charging Israeli general and prime minister.”
 
Of course this should be no surprise to those of us that are aware of how those children are educated.  They are taught to hate Jewish people from birth, and their school textbooks are full of anti-Jewish propaganda.  For example, according to the Daily Mail one textbook for 9th grade Palestinian students actually contains the following statement…
 
“The hour (of judgment) will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. There is a Jew behind me come and kill him.”
 
And of course there are many more quotes like that in Palestinian textbooks.  The following is an excerpt from a report entitled “From Nationalist Battle to Religious Conflict: New 12th Grade Palestinian Textbooks Present a World Without Israel“…
 
The teachings repeatedly reject Israel’s right to exist, present the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, teach Israel’s founding as imperialism, and actively portray a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. The following description of Israel’s founding represents the dominant dogma about Israel in Palestinian schoolbooks: Defining Israel’s founding as a “catastrophe unprecedented in history,” “a theft perpetrated by “Zionist gangs,” together with numerous other hateful descriptions of Israel as “colonial imperialist” and “racist”, compounded by the presentation of the conflict as a religious war, leaves no latitude for students to have positive or even neutral attitudes towards Israel. This negative imagery and religious packaging are compounded by hateful presentations of Israeli policy. The young students are imbued with a Palestinian identity as “victims” just by virtue of Israel’s existence. The well-meaning student is left with no logical justification or religious option to accept Israel as a neighbor or to seek coexistence. Given the total rejection of Israel’s right to exist, on nationalistic and religious grounds, Palestinian terror against Israel since Israel’s founding in 1948 is defined as: “resistance … acts of most glorious heroism.” PA educators teach that fighting Israel is not merely a territorial conflict, but also a religious battle for Islam. The schoolbooks define the conflict with Israel as “Ribat for Allah” – “one of the actions related to Jihad for Allah, and it means: Being found in areas where there is a struggle between Muslims and their enemies”.
 
In much of the Islamic world, Islam is not just a religion.  It is a political, economic, social and religious system which is all-encompassing.
 
And for Palestinians, being anti-Israel is at the very core of that system.  Just check out what kindergarten children at one particular Palestinian school are being taught…
 
Children attending a kindergarten in Gaza that is run by Islamic Jihad celebrated their graduation by dressing up in army attire, waving toy rifles and chanting anti-Israel slogans.
 
“It is our obligation to educate the children to love the resistance, Palestine and Jerusalem, so they will recognize the importance of Palestine and who its enemy is,” the kindergarten’s director said.
 
The children were dressed up in uniforms of Jihad’s armed-wing, the al-Quds Brigades, and each of them received a toy rifle. Some of them held up photos of Islamic Jihad founder Fathi Shaqaqi.
 
You can see some extremely disturbing photographs of this kindergarten graduation event right here.
 
The truth is that you are never going to have lasting peace until both sides truly want peace.
 
And it should be abundantly clear that the Palestinians do not want peace.  Just check out some of the results from one survey in which Palestinians were asked about their beliefs about Israel and the peace process…
 
-60 percent were in favor of direct negotiations with Israel that would result in a “two state” solution.
 
-Approximately two-thirds of the respondents agreed that “over time, Palestinians must work to get back all the land for a Palestinian state.”
 
-Only 23 percent of the respondents believed that  “Israel has a permanent right to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people.”
 
-58 percent of those surveyed preferred “armed struggle” over “engagement with Israel.”
 
-Just 12 percent of the respondents said that official maps, documents and school textbooks should show the name “Israel”.
 
So you can see, most Palestinians are actually in favor of a “two state solution”.
 
But an even larger percentage of Palestinians believe that the ultimate goal must be to take all of the land for themselves, and an absolutely overwhelming percentage of Palestinians are against recognizing Israel’s right to exist.
 
How in the world can you ever have “lasting peace” in that type of an environment?
 
This type of thinking is regularly demonstrated in other areas of the Middle East as well.  For instance, a top Iranian official recently stated that a nuclear bomb “is necessary to put down Israel”…
 
Iranian lawmaker, cleric, and Majilis (council) member Mohammed Nabavian declared Monday that Iran does need a nuclear bomb – to destroy Israel.
 
Iran would be able to build a nuclear bomb in “two weeks” if it gets “access to 270 kilograms of 20 percent [enriched uranium], 10 tons of 5 percent, and 20 thousand centrifuges,” Nabavian stated, according to Iranian media reports. “We are not looking for a nuclear bomb, but having a nuclear bomb is necessary to put down Israel.”
 
And if you want to see something incredibly chilling, watch the video that I have posted below.  It is of a massive public rally for Muhammed Mursi when he was running for president of Egypt.  Most Americans never get to see videos like this one.  The obsession that these jihadists have for exterminating the state of Israel is very apparent in this video…



Right now, Israel is the most hated nation on the entire planet.  Hundreds of millions of Muslims are absolutely convinced that the nation of Israel will eventually be eradicated.
 
When Israel signs a treaty that exchanges land for peace, it will be hailed as a great diplomatic achievement in the western world.
 
But the truth is that all that it will really do is set the stage for the next great war in the Middle East.
 
Sadly, most of those living in the western world do not understand this.  They simply do not understand that the ultimate goal of jihad is to bring the entire planet into submission.  Muslims are taught this from a very early age.  They want “world peace”, but their definition of world peace is when everyone in the world will finally be brought into the House of Islam.
 
In Islam, Dar al-Islam is the “House of Peace”.  Dar al-Harb is the “House of War”.  To Muslims, you are either in one house or the other.  And once everyone has been brought into Dar al-Islam, then there will finally be “peace”.
 
And yes, “everyone” includes you too.
 
So if you are wishing for “peace” in the Middle East, perhaps you need to carefully define what you are talking about.
 
Yes, a “major treaty” will probably be agreed to in the Middle East later this year.
 
But it will solve absolutely nothing.  Instead, it will just create even more problems.

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« Reply #462 on: January 14, 2014, 10:32:31 am »

Israeli minister brands John Kerry 'messianic'; US calls remark 'offensive'

TEL AVIV, Israel -- The state department shot back Tuesday after Israel's defense minister branded Secretary of State John Kerry "messianic" just days before he is due to visit the country.

"The remarks of the Defense Minister if accurate are offensive and inappropriate especially given all that the United States is doing to support Israel's security needs," State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki said in a statement.

Moshe Yaalon, Israel's defense minister, was quoted by the Yediot Aharonot newspaper on Tuesday as saying that the only thing that could "save" Israel was for Kerry to receive the Nobel Peace Prize and "leave us alone."

"Secretary of State John Kerry came here very determined and operates based upon an unfathomable obsession and a messianic feeling," Yaalon was quoted as saying. "Throughout the recent months, there is no negotiation between us and the Palestinians, but rather, between us and the Americans. The only thing that can 'save' us is that John Kerry will get a Nobel Peace Prize and leave us alone."

The state department's stinging response added that questioning Kerry's motives and distorting his proposals were "not something we would expect from the Defense Minister of a close ally."

The United States is seeking to broker an agreement on a "two-state solution" in which Israel would exist peacefully alongside a new Palestinian state. Kerry wants the sides to agree to a framework for an interim accord ahead of a deal in April, which would launch another year of talks aimed at a full-blown peace treaty.

A framework would touch on all the main issues, including security, the future of Jerusalem and the fate of refugees.

The Palestinians see the Jewish settlements as an obstacle to achieving a viable state in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war. Most countries consider Israel's settlements there illegal.

Yaalon also told Yediot Aharonot that the latest U.S. peace plan for the region was "not worth the paper it was written on" because it contained "neither security nor peace." 

"I live and breathe the conflict with the Palestinians," he said. "I know what they think, what they want and what they really mean."

Kerry is expected to return to Israel within days as part of his peace push.

Intelligence and Strategic Affairs Minister Yuval Steinitz told Israel Army Radio that he agreed with the contents of Yaalon's interview, but added that despite disagreements there was no need to resort to personal insults. 

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Netanyahu visits Jordan for talks with King Abdullah

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01/16/2014 11:57

Leaders discuss peace talks; Army Radio reports PM told Kerry Israel intends on keeping Beit El settlement bloc in peace deal.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu held an unannounced meeting in Amman with Jordan's King Abdullah II on Thursday.

The meeting focused on the current Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

In a statement released  upon Netanyahu's return to Israel, he stressed the important role played by Jordan, under King Abdullah's leadership, in the efforts to bring about an agreement. He also emphasized that Israel places a premium on security arrangements, including Jordan's interests, in any future agreement that will take into consideration the peace treaty between Jordan and Israel, signed 20 years ago.

Additionally, the two leaders discussed an array of economic cooperation between both countries in a number of fields as well as other regional matters.

Netanyahu has on a number of occasions paid unannounced visits to Jordan to meet with Abdullah since becoming prime minister again in 2009.

The newest diplomatic mission comes amid an Army Radio report Thursday that Netanyahu is insisting on keeping the Beit El settlement bloc as a part of ongoing peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

Army Radio quoted a source familiar with the negotiations as saying Netanyahu, in his talks with Kerry, cited a biblical connection to the Beit El area, noting its depiction in the Book of Genesis as the place where Jacob dreamt about a ladder to heaven.

Netanyahu's spokesman declined to comment on the report .

That would leave 13 percent of the West Bank in Israeli hands, according to Army Radio. There was no immediate comment from  Abbas.

Netanyahu has also offered to buy some of the settlement land from the Palestinians, according to the report, but they rejected such a deal.
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Israel PM slams EU 'hypocrisy' on settlements

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed the European Union Thursday for calling in ambassadors over plans for some 1,800 new homes for Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank. Netanyahu's angry remarks come hot on the heels of a public spat between his defence minister and US Secretary of State John Kerry, who is energetically pushing Israel and the Palestinians toward a framework for a peace agreement.   

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-pm-slams-eu-39-hypocrisy-39-settlements-191621937.html


Report: Netanyahu Supports Liberman Land Swap Plan

Binyamin Netanyahu supports Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman's land swap plan, according to a Maariv report Friday. The swap, which Israel reportedly offered the US in talks in December, refers to the area known as the Triangle in east-central Israel. The area includes the cities of Tayibe and Tira, in which about 300,000 Arabs live.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176416#.Utkmb_tUjlc


Defense minister rises as U.S.-Israel relations plunge

Moshe Ya’alon spoke insultingly off the record about Secretary of State John Kerry, and Prime Minister Netanyahu was in no hurry to come to the aid of his defense minister. 

http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/.premium-1.569080   
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13,000 teens complete Hamas training camps to emulate ‘suicide martyrs’

The Hamas government in Gaza celebrated the graduation on Monday of paramilitary camps geared at training high-school children “to follow in the footsteps of the suicide martyrs.” The camps, titled “the pioneers of liberation,” are run by Hamas’s ministries of education and interior. Some 13,000 students in grades 10-12 participated in the one-week training camps this year... 

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Hamas: Israel To Disappear From World

Israel will be gone in eight years, according to one Hamas official. Fathi Hamad, Hamas's Interior Minister, claimed in a speech honoring the anniversary of Operation Cast Lead that "Palestine" would replace the Jewish State by 2022. Hamad noted in his speech that the Palestinian Arabs, according to Islamic prophecies, will enter the Al Aqsa Mosque "in jubilation and victory like they entered it the first time". He said that Israel has failed in previous wars waged against the Palestinians, while the Palestinians are progressing nationally towards the stage where they are capable of conquering Jerusalem. After the "liberation" of Al-Aqsa Mosque, said Hamad, the "Hittin" system will prevail. That statement refers to he means by which Saladin conquered the Land of Israel against the Crusaders, in particular during the Battle of Hittin/Hattin...

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US Threatens Israel At World Economic Forum: Says Accept Negotiated End-Times Peace Deal Or Cease To Be A Democratic Jewish State

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Friday that if Israeli-Palestinian negotiations fail, Israel's future as a democratic Jewish state is at stake. "If talks fail, for Israel, the demographic dynamic will make it impossible to preserve its future as a democratic Jewish state," Kerry said during a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Kerry said that today's status quo cannot last forever, and that a failure to make peace will lead to a deteriorating security environment and growing isolation that can put economic prosperity at risk. Kerry added: "We don’t want an interim agreement – but … a final status agreement where...

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If talks fail, for Israel, the demographic dynamic will make it impossible to preserve its future as a democratic Jewish state...will lead to a deteriorating security environment and growing isolation that can put economic prosperity at risk...

Yep, that sounds like a threat to me.

(keeping in mind that Kerry is married to an "old money" globalist, Teresa Heinz. But the Kerry family has some major wealth too through the Forbes/Winthrop family)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

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John Forbes Kerry was born on December 11, 1943 in Aurora, Colorado, at Fitzsimons Army Hospital to Foreign Service Officer/attorney Richard John Kerry (1915–2000) and World War II nurse Rosemary Isabel Forbes (1913–2002) of the Forbes family and Dudley–Winthrop family. Rosemary was born in Paris, France, to American parents. Kerry has two sisters, Diana (born in 1947) and Margaret (aka Peggy; born in 1941), and a brother, Cameron (born in 1950). Cameron Kerry is the General Counsel of the US Department of Commerce.[1] His father was a member of the Army Air Corps at the time.[2]...

...One of Kerry's maternal great-great-grandfathers was Robert Charles Winthrop, the 22nd Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. The first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony John Winthrop is a direct Kerry forebear.[56] Kerry is also a descendant of other prominent American colonial ancestors, including Thomas Cornell (settler) and Joris/George Woolsey.[57] He is also a descendant of Thomas Dudley through his maternal grandmother Margaret Winthrop.

Kerry was raised as a Roman Catholic by his Catholic father and Episcopalian mother.[58] As a child, Kerry served as an altar boy. Although the extended family enjoyed a great fortune, Kerry's parents themselves were upper-middle class; a wealthy great aunt paid for Kerry to attend elite schools in Europe and New England. Kerry spent his summers at the Forbes family estate in Brittany, and there, he enjoyed a more opulent lifestyle than he had previously known in Massachusetts.[citation needed]

It was discovered in 2003 by Felix Gundacker, a genealogist[59] working with The Boston Globe, that Kerry's paternal grandparents, who had been born Jewish, as "Fritz Kohn" and "Ida Lowe", in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, changed their names to "Frederick and Ida Kerry" from "Kohn" in 1900 and converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism in 1901[60][61] or 1902.[62] Fritz' elder brother Otto had earlier, in 1887[61] or 1896,[59] also embraced Catholicism. The "Kerry" name, widely misinterpreted as indicative of Irish heritage, was reputedly selected arbitrarily: "According to family legend, Fritz and another family member opened an atlas at random and dropped a pencil on a map. It fell on County Kerry in Ireland, and thus a name was chosen."[60][62] Leaving their hometown Mödling, a suburb of Vienna where they had lived since 1896, Fred and Ida, together with their son Eric, emigrated to the United States in 1905, living at first in Chicago and eventually moving to Brookline, Massachusetts, by 1915...

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Rosemary was also the mother of another son, Cameron, who is General Counsel of the U.S. Department of Commerce, and was formerly a Boston lawyer, an adjunct law professor at Suffolk Law School and a convert to Judaism; and two daughters, Diana and Margaret Peggy

So John's brother is a convert to Judaism, eh? Bet that makes things a bit testy these days in the Kerry household.
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Ultimately, the wealthy "elite" seem to be closely connected to each other. Even worse, the modern-day "churches" think yoking up with them is some good idea.

James 2:1  My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Jas 2:2  For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3  And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4  Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Jas 2:5  Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Jas 2:6  But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7  Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
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Netanyahu settlement stand draws fire from all sides
1/27/14

Jerusalem (AFP) - Comments by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the World Economic Forum make it clear he is against the establishment of a Palestinian state, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat has said.

"Anyone who says they want the settlers to remain is actually saying they don't want the establishment of a Palestinian state," Erakat said in remarks published Monday in Palestinian daily Al-Ayyam.

Erakat was reacting to comments by Netanyahu at last week's WEF gathering in Davos, where the premier insisted Israel would not evacuate Jewish settlements built on occupied land the Palestinians want for their future state.

Netanyahu has publicly supported the two-state solution during US-sponsored talks which envisage the creation of a Palestinian state as part of a final peace agreement.

But at Davos, the premier told Israeli journalists at a briefing, "I have said before and I say again; I do not intend to dismantle any settlement, I don't intend to uproot any Israeli."


His comments were broadcast on public radio.

Israel's settlements, which are illegal under international law, are a key sticking point that is preventing peace talks from making any visible progress.

Some Israeli media said that Netanyahu was speaking in response to a question specifically about the Jordan Valley, the part of the occupied West Bank bordering Jordan.

Israel insists on maintaining a long-term military presence in the Jordan Valley as a buffer against attacks on the Jewish state, while the Palestinians want an international security force deployed there for their own security
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But angry Israeli hardliners on Monday linked Netanyahu's Davos comments to a report by an international news agency that the premier is floating the idea of existing settlements being leased from the Palestinians in a future Palestinian state.

"We do not leave settlers behind enemy lines," deputy defence minister Danny Danon, a hawkish member of Netanyahu's own Likud party, told army radio.

"It's an idea of leaving Jews, abandoning Jews to the control of the Palestinians," deputy foreign minister Zeev Elkin, also of Likud, told the station.

"It's a red line, contrary to the beliefs of the national camp, the beliefs of the Likud," he said.

Settler leader Dani Danon told AFP that the concept of settlements no longer being under Israeli sovereignty was a "political, security and Zionist aberration."

Veteran political analyst Shimon Shiffer said that the news agency report, which Netanyahu's office neither confirms nor denies, was a deliberate attempt to draw a hostile response from the Palestinians, painting them as rejecting peace.

"Netanyahu... is trying to push the settlers into a corner and challenge the Palestinian side, knowing that the latter will reply with a resounding negative," he wrote in the top-selling Yediot Aharonot newspaper.

Maariv's Shalom Yerushalmi suggested that the premier was playing for time.

"The settlements will certainly be removed, but the prime minister will not be the one to remove them," he wrote.

"This will be a gradual process in any case, and by the time we reach the removal of the settlements Netanyahu will no longer be there
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http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/The-Kerry-Plan-Palestinian-capital-in-east-J-lem-recognition-of-Jewish-state-339704
Bennett: Jews in ‘Palestine’ would be killed

Despite rebuke from PM’s office, senior minister rails against proposal to leave Israelis under PA rule, floats annexation plan

1/28/14

Palestinians would kill Jewish Israelis left under their rule, Economy and Trade Minister Naftali Bennett said on Tuesday, continuing a campaign against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ostensible willingness to leave Israeli settlers under Palestinian rule under a future peace agreement. Bennett also outlined his own plan for the West Bank — which he has largely been mum about since joining Netanyahu’s government — under which Israel would annex most of the territories.

Do you know why? Why Jews cannot live under Palestinian rule? Do you know why? Why Palestinians can’t rule over Jews?” Bennett said in an address at the Institute for National Security Studies Conference, reiterating a point he’d made on Facebook earlier in the day. “Because they will kill them. And do you know how I know this? Because it has already happened.” 

Bennett went on to recount in gory detail some of the events of the 1929 massacre in Hebron, in which 67 Jews were killed during Arab riots, and of the year 2000 lynching in Ramallah of two off-duty IDF soldiers who had sought refuge in a Palestinian police station.

He warned ominously that, “Our forefathers and our descendants will not forgive an Israeli leader who gives up our country and divides our capital,” and spoke out against giving up any of the settlements in a peace agreement, before going on to present the central aspects of his own proposal, under which Israel would annex most of the West Bank.

“We would extend our sovereignty over the Jewish parts of [West Bank], where 400,000 Israelis live and just 70,000 Palestinians,” said Bennett, who heads the Orthodox-nationalist Jewish Home party. “We would offer the Palestinians [in those areas] citizenship. I am not afraid of this because we are not Palestinian slaughterers. This will not harm our demographics in the rest of [Israel].”

Israel should not care if the world did not officially recognize that annexed territory, he went on; the world didn’t recognize israeli sovereignty at the Western Wall, he noted. I the end, what the world respects is power, and “if we are strong the world will respect us; if we are weak, then we’ve seen what happens,” he said, referring to the situation near the Gaza border, where Israeli towns take frequent rocket fire after 2005′s unilateral Israeli withdrawal from the Strip.

Bennett also cited figures to bolster a claim that demographics were working in Israel’s favor, and argued that to cite the demographic challenge was a fallacious excuse for giving up the settlements as part of a peace deal with the Palestinians. As of today, he said, the Jewish population is growing faster than the Palestinian population – 3.04 children per Jewish family compared to 2.91 per Palestinian family. He did not cite the source of those statistics. “The demographic clock is working in Israel’s favor,” he said. “[But] the establishment of a Palestinian state will flood Israel with refugees,” he said, presumably creating an actual demographic challenge.

An official in the Prime Minister’s Office, elaborating on a statement Netanyahu made in Switzerland Friday, told The Times of Israel on Sunday that the prime minister does not intend to uproot Jewish settlements anywhere in the West Bank as part of a permanent peace deal with the Palestinians, and wants to allow settlers the choice of remaining under Palestinian rule.

The comment elicited a flurry of criticism from right-wing politicians, including Bennett and many members of the prime minister’s own Likud party.

In his INSS speech, Bennett urged that the idea of settlers-in-Palestine be dropped. Bennett had similarly issued a call on Sunday night to Netanyahu to abandon the idea, and said the prime minister’s position suggested “ethical insanity.”

“Never,” Bennett posted on his Facebook page. “We did not return to the land of Israel after 2,000 years of longing in order to live under the government of [Palestinian Authority President] Mahmoud Abbas. Whoever advocates for the idea of Jewish life in Israel under Palestinian rule is undermining our ability to sit in Tel Aviv.”

An unnamed PMO official told Israel Radio on Monday that Likud MKs who spoke out against Netanyahu’s proposal were welcome to relinquish their posts. Another official took Bennett to task for behaving in a “nationally irresponsible” manner for the sake of making headlines, and hindering the prime minister’s effort “to reveal the true face of the Palestinian Authority” as an unwilling peace partner.

The proposal was roundly dismissed by the Palestinian Authority, prompting a sharp condemnation from the PMO.

“Nothing shows the Palestinian Authority’s unwillingness to reach an accord with Israel more than their extreme and reckless reaction to an unofficial report,” Netanyahu’s office said late Sunday. “An accord will only be reached when the Palestinians recognize the Jewish state and when the essential interests to the security of Israeli citizens are guaranteed.”

In the wake of that exchange, Israel’s chief negotiator, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, implied that, rather than pursue a peace agreement in earnest, some Israeli officials have been baiting the Palestinians so as to elicit responses that could be construed as rejectionist.

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The 'Kerry Plan': Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, recognition of Jewish state

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Thomas Friedman reveals "Kerry Plan," says Israel to compensate Palestinians for settlements kept, deal could cause Netanyahu to lose coalition.

The "Kerry Plan" is likely to be unveiled soon, Thomas Friedman of The New York Times wrote on Tuesday in a column titled "Why Kerry is Scary."

 The “Kerry Plan,” writes Friedman, is expected to "call for an end to the conflict and all claims, following a phased Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank (based on the 1967 lines)."

 Friedman also said that there will be "unprecedented security arrangements in the strategic Jordan Valley."

 According to Friedman, some settlements will remain under Israeli control and Israel will "compensate" Palestinians for the land.

 The plan will set east Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital. It will also demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

The plan, Friedman continues, will not include any right of return for Palestinian refugees into Israel.

 Friedman also claims that if Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is to agree to the terms of the "Kerry Plan," his coalition will collapse and Netanyahu will face many challenges.

Last week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Kerry said during a speech that the US remained committed to the Israeli Palestinian peace process but that at end of the day it is up to the Israelis and the Palestinians to reach an agreement on how to end the conflict.

The US Secretary of State met with Netanyahu at the conference in a closed-door meeting.
 
 Kerry said in his speech that if the peace talks fail, the Palestinians risk losing their last chance for an independent state. He said for Israel, failure would mean that demographics would not allow Israel to remain a democratic and Jewish state.

Kerry stressed that the continuation of the status quo between the Israelis and Palestinians was not possible and that failure of the talks would empower extremists. 
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Knesset member implies Kerry guided by anti-Semitism
Moti Yogev says top US diplomat has ‘anti-Israel foundations,’ pressure on Israel has undertones of Jew-hatred


A Jewish Home party MK insinuated on Thursday morning that US Secretary of State John Kerry was at least partially motivated by anti-Semitism in his efforts to forge a peace agreement between Israelis and Palestinians.

“The prime minister (Benjamin Netanyahu) is maneuvering under the obsessive and unprofessional pressures that might also bear an undertone of anti-Semitism on Kerry’s part,” MK Moti Yogev told Israel Radio.

“He has an anti-Israel foundation in that he does not come to compromise, but instead comes with unequivocal answers about shrinking the Land of Israel and establishing a Palestinian state,” Yogev added. “The members of my faction also think that he is not a fair broker and he is not fit to mediate here because his positions are predetermined.”

Yogev also lambasted Netanyahu in the interview, saying that “there is no circus performer like the prime minister in his maneuverings.”

Earlier in January, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon was quoted as making scathing statements about Kerry’s involvement in the peace negotiations, calling him “obsessive” and “messianic,” and describing his West Bank security proposals as worthless. The comments elicited outrage from Washington that led to an apology from the defense minister.

Yogev’s comments on Thursday came amid a public spat between Netanyahu and Jewish Home party leader Naftali Bennett, revolving around Bennett’s reaction to a statement by an official close to Netanyahu – first reported by The Times of Israel – to the effect that the prime minister was insisting that West Bank settlers be given the choice to remain in their homes under Palestinian rule.

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John Kerry Faces New Criticism in Israel After Invoking Boycott Threats to Jewish State

Secretary of State John Kerry is facing new criticism in Israel for invoking threatened boycotts of Israel as a key reason the Israeli government should agree to a framework peace agreement with the Palestinians. One government minister called Kerry’s statement “offensive.”

At the Munich Security Conference on Saturday, Kerry said, “[Y]ou see for Israel there’s an increasing de-legitimization campaign that has been building up. People are very sensitive to it. There are talk of boycotts and other kinds of things. Are we all going to be better with all of that?”

Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz on Sunday morning said Israel cannot be pressured to negotiate with “a gun against its head” and that Kerry’s remarks were “offensive and unacceptable.”

Economy Minister Naftali Bennett of the right-wing Jewish Home party had a message for “all of the advice givers.”

“Never has a nation abandoned their land because of economic threats. We are no different,” Bennett wrote on Facebook in response to Kerry’s comments. “Only security will ensure economic stability. Not a terrorist state next to Ben Gurion Airport.”

“We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their amplifier,” Bennett added.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu weighed in on the boycott threats, primarily from Europe, during his weekly cabinet meeting, though he did not directly criticize Kerry.

According to a transcript of his remarks posted on the prime minister’s website, Netanyahu called attempts to boycott Israel “immoral and unjust.”

“They will not achieve their goal,” Netanyahu said. “First, they cause the Palestinians to adhere to their intransigent positions and thus push peace further away. Second, no pressure will cause me to concede the vital interests of the State of Israel, especially the security of Israel’s citizens.”

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki released a statement on Sunday in response to the Israeli criticism, insisting that Kerry does not support an economic boycott of Israel.

“Secretary Kerry has a proud record of over three decades of steadfast support for Israel’s security and well-being, including staunch opposition to boycotts,” she said. “Just last year while briefing Foreign Ministers at an EU conference in Vilnius on peacemaking efforts, he urged them to refrain from these measures.”

“Secretary Kerry has always expected opposition and difficult moments in the process, but he also expects all parties to accurately portray his record and statements,” Psaki added.

At the conference, Kerry also said of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, “…today’s status quo absolutely, to a certainty, I promise you 100 percent, cannot be maintained. It’s not sustainable. It’s illusionary. There’s a momentary prosperity, there’s a momentary peace.”

While members of Likud and other right-wing parties reacted bitterly to Kerry’s remarks, the secretary of state received support from left-wing Israeli lawmakers. Member of Knesset Nachman Shai of the  Labor party said, “Israel is facing an economic tsunami …. The boycotts against us have crossed the point of no return. This nightmare is coming true as we speak and this dense government refuses to see it.”

Zehava Gal-On who heads the left-wing party Meretz warned that Israel “might soon find itself isolated and ostracized, like Cuba and South Africa.”

The latest criticism of the secretary of state follows Israeli Defense Minister Moshe (Bogie) Ya’alon earlier this month  being quoted by an Israeli newspaper calling Kerry “obsessed” and “messianic” in his quest to secure a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.

Kerry appeared to address that as well on Saturday. “I don’t think we’re being quixotic and un – I’m a little surprised by some of the articles that tend to write about an obsession or a fanatical effort to try to achieve this, et cetera,” Kerry said according to a State Department transcript.  “We’re just working hard. We’re working hard because the consequences of failure are unacceptable.”

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seems others are hoping on Kerry's message

EU: Israel will Face ‘Increasing Isolation’ if Talks Fail

EU Ambassador to Israel Lars Faaborg-Andersen threatened Israel Monday over the outcome of peace talks. “There is a risk that you will face increasing isolation [if talks fail],” Faaborg- Andersen said, in a statement to Channel 2.

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Rabbis to Kerry: Cease mediation or face divine retribution

Rabbis calling themselves Committee to Save the Land and People of Israel write secretary of state warning that his actions were 'a declaration of war against the Creator and Ruler of the universe.'




A group of rabbis warned U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to cease his pursuit of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians or face divine retribution in a letter sent by them Sunday.

The group, calling itself "The Committee to Save the Land and People of Israel," wrote that Kerry's "incessant efforts to expropriate integral parts of our Holy Land and hand them over to Abbas’s terrorist gang, amount to a declaration of war against the Creator and Ruler of the universe!"

The group claimed that the plan, by placing them in the line of missile fire, would imperil six million Jews, adding in brackets "remember that number from somewhere?"

The letter went on to warn that if Kerry went through with his plans he would win himself "everlasting disgrace in Jewish history for bringing calamity upon the Jewish people," joining the likes of Neo-Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II and Roman emperor Titus.

The rabbis warned Kerry that like these monarchs and Haman, the villain of the Book of Esther, he will suffer divine retribution for his affront to God's chosen people. The letter ends with a quote from Isaiah 9:5 "Conspire a plan and it will be frustrated; talk the talk and it will not be fulfilled, for God is with us."

The signatories of the letter, emeritus head of Haifa Rabbinic Court Gedalya Axelrod, Temple Institute chairman Yisrael Ariel, Migdal Haemek rabbi Ben Tziyon Grossman, Institute for Complete Code of Maimonides dean Shalom Dov Wolpo and Yeshiva of Kiryat Shmuel dean Yigal Pizam, claim they represent other rabbis who are also members of the Committee to Save the Land and People of Israel and "hundreds of other Rabbis in Israel and around the world."

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Kerry to Israeli critics: I’ve been ‘attacked before by people using real bullets’

 Shocked This moron needs to go

John Kerry invoked his Vietnam War service to push back against an Israeli cabinet member who criticized his recent comments on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

During a security conference in Munich last weekend, Kerry suggested that if his Israeli-Palestinian peace effort fails, there could be serious consequences for Israel.

“For Israel there is an increasing delegitimizing campaign that has been building up,” Kerry said, without condemning the effort. “People are very sensitive to it. There are talks of boycotts and other kinds of things.”

In response, Israel’s economy minister Naftali Bennett harshly criticized Kerry’s failure to speak out against the delegitimization campaign at the conference.

“We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their trumpet,” he said in a statement.

CNN’s Jake Tapper presented Kerry with an opportunity to respond to Bennett and other Israeli critics during an interview Wednesday.

“My comments need to be properly represented, not distorted. I did not do anything except cite what other people are talking about as a problem,” Kerry said. ”But I also have always opposed boycotts. I have 100 percent voting record in support of Israel for 29 years in the United States Senate. Unfortunately, there are some people in Israel and in Palestine and in the Arab World and around the world that don’t support the peace process.”

“Israel needs to understand we will always stand by its security needs,” he continued. “But no one should distort what we’re doing or saying because they’re opposed to the peace process or don’t like two states or whatever. And, you know, words — I have to tell you, my friend, I’ve been, quote, attacked before by people using real bullets, not words, and I am not going to be intimidated. I am not going to stand down with respect to President Obama’s commitment to trying to find peace in the Middle East.”

Kerry famously served in the Vietnam War. As for Bennett, he served in Israel’s elite special forces unit, Sayeret Matkal.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/05/kerry-to-israeli-critics-ive-been-attacked-before-by-people-using-real-bullets/#ixzz2sYVkV26V
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« Reply #479 on: February 06, 2014, 01:19:29 pm »

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“For Israel there is an increasing delegitimizing campaign that has been building up,” Kerry said, without condemning the effort. “People are very sensitive to it. There are talks of boycotts and other kinds of things.”

That reads as a not so subtle threat.

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During a security conference in Munich last weekend, Kerry suggested that if his Israeli-Palestinian peace effort fails, there could be serious consequences for Israel.

And that is not just a threat, but consider where he made it! Munich, Germany. Two events should come to mind for the older people; WW2 and the Munich Olympics.

Seems to me this guy is no friend of Israel.
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