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« Reply #120 on: September 08, 2011, 12:29:13 pm »

US confirms it will veto Palestinian statehood bid

"If any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, then we would veto it,” official states; George Mitchell says US probably can't stop PA from becoming non-member state at General Assembly.


The US will veto a Palestinian request for state recognition if it is submitted to the UN Security Council later this month, a US official said Thursday.

Wendy Sherman, President Barack Obama's nominee for undersecretary of state for policy, the department's third-ranking position, told the Senate during confirmation hearings that “if any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, then we would veto it.”

rest: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=237199

Either one of 2 things why they are vetoing it...

1) They're lying - Obama HATES Israel, he will likely vote for it.

2) They're playing the Hegelian Dialect - Obama KNOWS the PA state will happen, and will act like merely vetoing it will somehow make him look good.(at least in front of the "truther" movement, that is)
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« Reply #121 on: September 08, 2011, 12:44:13 pm »

Either one of 2 things why they are vetoing it...

1) They're lying - Obama HATES Israel, he will likely vote for it.

2) They're playing the Hegelian Dialect - Obama KNOWS the PA state will happen, and will act like merely vetoing it will somehow make him look good.(at least in front of the "truther" movement, that is)

Number 2, mos def, but in his heart...number 1. 
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« Reply #122 on: September 11, 2011, 01:02:28 pm »

PA: Israel's reaction to UN bid is 'hysterical'

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
09/11/2011 18:27

PLO secretary-general accuses Israel of inciting against Abbas, says Israel alone responsible for deterioration of relations with Turkey, Egypt.
 
 
The Palestinian Authority on Sunday condemned as “hysterical” Israel’s reaction to its plan to ask the United Nations to recognize a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 lines.

Yasser Abed Rabbo, Secretary-General of the PLO, accused Israel of inciting against PA President Mahmoud Abbas because of his intention to go to the UN later this month.

Abed Rabbo held Israel alone responsible for the deterioration in its relations with Egypt and Turkey. He was referring to claims that Abbas’s policies were increasing tensions anti-Israel sentiments in the region.

The Palestinians are also opposed to any attack on any diplomatic mission or embassy, Abed Rabbo said, referring to the assault on the Israeli embassy in Cairo over the weekend.

He said that the Europeans were not opposed to the PA’s plan to go to the UN. “The Europeans wants us to return to the negotiations and we are not against this,” he explained. “But we want serious negotiations.”

Chief PLO negotiator Saeb Erekat said on Sunday that there was a “misunderstanding” regarding the PA’s statehood bid. He said that the PA’s move was not aimed at achieving Palestinian independence, because that’s something that the Palestinians already declared in Algeria in 1988.

Erekat said it was also wrong to say that the PA was seeking recognition of a state. “Recognition is not the business of the UN,” he pointed out. “Recognition is something that comes from each country on an individual basis and this is what we are seeking to achieve through a comprehensive and wide diplomatic campaign.”

Erekat said that the PA was actually seeking full membership of a Palestinian state in the UN on the basis of the 1967 “borders” with Jerusalem as its capital.

He said that Abbas, “in his capacity as head of the PLO, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians,” will submit the PA application to the UN Secretary-General and the president of the Security Council.

“This is just a step on a long road and its goal is not to de-legitimize or isolate anyone,” he said. “Rather, it’s intended to de-legitimize the occupation.”

Erekat said that “those who believe in the importance of peace and the two-state solution” should support the PA’s move at the UN.

Asked what would change if the UN approved the PA request, Erekat said: “If we win recognition, we don’t believe that the settlements will be automatically removed or that Israeli provocations and crimes would stop. The only difference is that Palestine will become a state that is occupied by another member of the UN. This means that the final-status negotiations would be only over working out a timetable for an Israeli withdrawal.”

PA negotiator Nabil Sha’ath announced, meanwhile, that some EU foreign ministers have said that they would support the PA step at the UN “and won’t vote against any Palestinian decision.”

He said that Abbas was scheduled to meet in Cairo on Monday with Catherine Ashton, the representative of the EU for foreign affairs and security policy, to hear about the EU’s final position toward the statehood bid.

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« Reply #123 on: September 11, 2011, 01:17:56 pm »

Biblically Jerusalem will i believe be divided and conquered until the rapture/tribulation

Luke 21

24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2011, 10:02:27 am »

US confirms it will veto Palestinian statehood bid

"If any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, then we would veto it,” official states; George Mitchell says US probably can't stop PA from becoming non-member state at General Assembly.


The US will veto a Palestinian request for state recognition if it is submitted to the UN Security Council later this month, a US official said Thursday.

Wendy Sherman, President Barack Obama's nominee for undersecretary of state for policy, the department's third-ranking position, told the Senate during confirmation hearings that “if any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, then we would veto it.”

rest: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=237199


Susan Rice warns against U.N. vote on Palestinian statehood

A vote by the United Nations to approve Palestinian statehood could prove detrimental to the peace process with Israel and to the Palestinian people, U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice said Monday.

“A showdown in New York could have adverse negative consequences for the Palestinian people and for our partners and allies at a time when things are already fragile,” Rice said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington. Rather, she said, Israelis and Palestinians must come together for peace talks If there is a vote, she said, the effect on Palestinian “relations with the United States is for the president and the Congress to decide.”

Ultimately, Rice said, “steps to try to circumvent” peace talks, such as a U.N. vote on statehood, “are ultimately counterproductive and self-defeating.”

If there is a vote approving Palestinian statehood, “This isn’t one day of hoo-ha and celebration … and then everybody goes home,” Rice said.

Countries that would vote for Palestinian statehood would “have a responsibility to own the consequences of their vote,” she said. A U.N. resolution wouldn’t create borders, improve the economy or otherwise set Palestinians on a path to true statehood.

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« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2011, 11:33:08 am »

PLO to seek full UN recognition 
 
Palestinians will ask Security Council for recognition, despite expected US veto, Fatah official Mohammed Shtayyeh says.
 


The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) will go to the United Nations Security Council and seek full membership in the world body next week, despite the looming threat of a US veto, a Palestinian official said.

The announcement was made by Mohammed Shtayyeh, a senior member of Fatah's central committee, at a news conference in Ramallah on Tuesday. Fatah is the largest Palestinian faction in the PLO.

His announcement would seem to end months of speculation about the PLO's diplomatic strategy.

"We are going to the United Nations, we are going to the Security Council," Shtayyeh said. "We are going to seek full membership based on 1967 borders."

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« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2011, 12:30:32 pm »

Clinton: Road to Palestine does not run through UN

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday that the path to a two-state solution creating a Palestinian state beside Israel runs through Jerusalem and Ramallah, not through New York.

Speaking at a news conference, Clinton repeated the US view that the Palestinians should not seek full membership in the United Nations later this month and instead should resume direct talks with the Israelis. She said she is sending two US envoys, David Hale and Dennis Ross, to Israel and the Palestinian territories to try to find a way to revive talks. (Reuters)

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« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2011, 12:05:17 pm »

Palestinians back off UN Security Council statehood bid

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The tempest which Israel had tensely anticipated for September in the wake of a Palestinian bid for unilateral UN recognition of their state looks like fizzling out before it begins as a result of a massive US campaign to avert it, backed by Saudi Arabia, Europe and Egypt.

Early Wednesday, Sept. 14, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas decided crucially not to submit his application to the UN Security Council.  He also notified Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal and European Union foreign executive Catherine Ashton in Cairo that he was considering watering down his application to the UN General Assembly – possibly by dropping the "state within 1967 borders" provision from the text.

Abbas said he would make his final decision known in a public address from Ramallah Friday, Sept 16 before flying to New York to join world leaders at the UN General Assembly's 66th session which began Tuesday.

But first, he meets Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair in Amman for a conversation which DEBKAfile's exclusive sources term critical, because Blair will hand him a document termed by senior Washington sources "an outline" of a new format designed to oil Palestinian wheels into unlocking the long-stalled Palestinian dialogue with Israel.

This outline has been endorsed by Washington, the EU and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. It is now subject to acceptance by Israel and the Palestinians. Moscow has not yet indicated whether it approves the document or wants changes.

By Wednesday morning, the Israeli government had not yet received a copy. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has no doubt that he will be called upon for concessions extreme enough to lure the Palestinian leader back to the table. Blair is expected to deliver the document to Netanyahu some time Thursday after Abbas has seen it. To tie up the ends, senior White House envoys, Dennis Ross and David Hale, are due back in Jerusalem and Ramallah Wednesday.

During his visit to Cairo, Mahmoud Abbas was sternly warned by Saud al Faisal, Ashton and Egyptian leaders of the grave consequences awaiting the Palestinians if he forced the US to exercise its veto against their statehood at the UN Security Council.  US President Barack Obama Tuesday made it crystal clear that he "objects very strongly" to the Palestinian statehood motion as "counterproductive" and "a distraction from solving problems that can only be addressed through negotiations."

US sources report that the US President has refused to talk to Abbas for the past eight months owing to his refusal to join Israel for direct peace talks. He was advised by the Europeans, the Saudis and Egyptians this week that the US presidential boycott would almost certainly extend to fellow Palestinian leaders and US financial aid. The Palestinian Authority would thus be placed under American sanctions. However, if he withdrew his statehood bid from the Security Council and accepted the new position paper, Obama would consider restoring communications.

Tuesday, Sept. 13, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: "The path to creating an independent Palestinian state lies through direct talks between Ramallah and Jerusalem – not New York," she said. Early Wednesday, the General Assembly President Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser of Qatar reported that the Palestinians had not yet submitted their request to the General Assembly. It would therefore not come up for debate before October.

DEBKAfile's sources report that while Mahmoud Abbas appears to have been hassled into a partial climb-down from his original plan to bypass talks with Israel by gaining UN approval of Palestinian statehood, he may not have caved in completely. Neither is it clear whether Netanyahu will swallow the new blueprint Tony Blair is about to dish up.
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« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2011, 02:27:14 pm »

PLO official: Palestinians, Israelis must be totally separated
Commenting on the subject of minority rights in the potential Palestinian state, PLO envoy to the U.S. says past experience shows the two people should be 'totally separated.'


The future independent Palestinian state will not include a Jewish minority, a top Palestinian official told USA Today on Wednesday, adding that it was in the best interest of both peoples to "be separated."

Maen Areikat, PLO Ambassador to the United States, made the comment just as the Palestinian Authority, led by President Mahmoud Abbas, was preparing to offer up Palestinian statehood to a vote in the United Nations General Assembly later this month.

Answering a question about the legal status of a Jewish minority in the future state, Areikat apprently rejected the issue, saying: "I believe, I still believe that as a first step we need to be totally separated," adding "I think we can contemplate these issues in the future."

"After the experience of the last 44 years, of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it will be in the best interest that the two peoples should be separated," Areikat added.

Former U.S. National Security Council official Elliot Abrams responded to the Palestinian official's comment, saying to USA Today that the Palestinian demand was "a despicable form of anti-Semitism," adding: "No civilized country would act this way."

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« Reply #129 on: September 15, 2011, 10:40:26 am »

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Palestinians to go through with UN Security Council statehood bid
Abbas went back on his assurance 24 hours earlier to Saudi, European and Egyptian officials and
decided to go through with his application to the UN Security Council on Sept. 23 for the admission of a Palestinian state to the world body.
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« Reply #130 on: September 16, 2011, 11:11:28 am »

Abbas: Palestinians want full UN membership


Palestinian leader says PA to proceed with UN bid in September because President Obama endorsed Palestinian state; 'I’m going to the UN in order to demand our legitimate rights and secure full membership,' he says



The Palestinian Authority will be seeking full United Nations membership in its statehood bid later this month, PA leader Mahmoud Abbas said Friday.

"I’m going to the UN in order to demand our legitimate rights and secure full membership for the state of Palestine," the Palestinian president said in Ramallah. "We hope to secure full membership."

"We are going to the Security Council," Abbas added, but then made it clear that "all options are open" and that a final decision has not been made yet.

Abbas said the Palestinians will be aiming to "secure independence in the 1967 borders and its holy capital, Jerusalem." He also urged his countrymen to avoid violence, saying "we must avoid force."

"We are the only legitimate representative of the Palestinian people and we intend to keep going until we secure full independence," he said.

Abbas added that the Palestinians are proceeding with their United Nations statehood bid in September because US President Barack Obama said previously he wanted to see a Palestinian state.

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« Reply #131 on: September 16, 2011, 11:54:37 am »

Here's what I don't understand-if Obama is endorsing it, then why does he want to veto the UN vote? Is it b/c he wants a different kind of negotiating without the UN?

Even with Israel's/USA's vetos, the opposition will still have enough to override it?

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Here's what I don't understand-if Obama is endorsing it, then why does he want to veto the UN vote? Is it b/c he wants a different kind of negotiating without the UN?

Even with Israel's/USA's vetos, the opposition will still have enough to override it?



You cant overide a Security Council veto.
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« Reply #133 on: September 16, 2011, 12:46:37 pm »

You cant overide a Security Council veto.

Well, what I was asking is if Obama supports a Palestinean state, then why is he vetoing it? Does he have other agendas up his sleeve? Or does he want to do the negotiating himself without the UN?

Some things are confusing here...
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« Reply #134 on: September 16, 2011, 12:54:02 pm »

Well, what I was asking is if Obama supports a Palestinean state, then why is he vetoing it? Does he have other agendas up his sleeve? Or does he want to do the negotiating himself without the UN?

Some things are confusing here...

ohhh,  Cheesy dont know. I doubt if the USA will veto.
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« Reply #135 on: September 16, 2011, 01:42:42 pm »

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/16/abbas-paints-us-into-corner-with-palestinian-statehood-demand-at-un/


Abbas Paints U.S. Into a Corner With Palestinian Statehood Demand at U.N.

Published September 16, 2011



Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' daring the United States to veto his people's bid for statehood has put the Obama administration and ally Israel in a corner and has left several lawmakers wondering what U.S. policy on the Middle East is trying to achieve.

Abbas' declaration on Friday that he would pursue statehood at a U.N. Security Council meeting next week was expected -- despite Arab League efforts to encourage the Palestinians to seek observer status in the General Assembly. The move will set up a potential showdown that has been brewing for months and could leave the U.S. with diminished credibility among the Arab world. 

It also has the head of the House Intelligence Committee wondering what the U.S. was trying to achieve by not averting the situation in the first place.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said the administration's policy is confused at best since it supports an "Arab Spring," but not a Palestinian awakening while at the same time making Israel even more insecure in a hostile neighborhood that includes former Israeli ally Turkey.

"The Israelis don't know if they think we're our friends right now, but they're not sure," he said "Without any U.S. strength in that whole region, we are as close to a disaster as we can possibly get."

On Wednesday, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said if the U.S. wants to stop the Palestinian statehood bid in its tracks, it should dangle the threat of no more aid.

"Despite decades of assistance totaling billions of dollars, if a Palestinian state were declared today, it would be neither democratic, nor peaceful, nor willing to negotiate with Israel. By providing the Palestinians with $2.5 billion over the last five years, the U.S. has only rewarded and reinforced their bad behavior," she said.

Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., the ranking member on the same committee, suggested that even if the U.S. vetoes a Palestinian bid at the Security Council, approval by the General Assembly of limited recognition, which would require a two-thirds vote, would be cataclysmic to the Israelis.

"If the General Assembly enhances the Palestinians' current status as a non-state observer to that of a state, the Palestinians would have standing to bring cases against Israel at the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice, and that is exactly what President Abbas has indicated he will do," Berman said. "Of course, that would merely waste more time and further poison relations with Israel, making statehood and peace further away than ever
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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other members of the Obama administration say they support statehood for the Palestinians but through negotiations with Israel, not through a statehood bid.

"The Palestinians will not and cannot achieve statehood through a declaration at the United Nations," White House spokesman Jay Carney said. "It is a distraction, and in fact, it's counterproductive. That remains our position."

National Security Council spokesman Ben Rhoades on Friday added that the only way for the Palestinians to achieve statehood is through agreements with Israel on issues like recognition, agreed-upon borders and security cooperation. He said President Obama will make clear during his speech at the U.N. next week -- where he also plans to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- that peace can only be achieved through negotiations.

But blurring the message, Rhoades then added that while every situation is different, what is constant is U.S. support for self-determination.

Offering a sample of what a Palestinian state would be like, Palestinian Ambassador to the U.S. Maen Rashid Areikat told reporters earlier this week that it would be free of minorities, implying that Jews would not be permitted within the borders of a new Palestine.

"After the experience of the last 44 years of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated," he was quoted saying by the Christian Science Monitor.



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« Reply #136 on: September 16, 2011, 01:45:44 pm »

What does Abbas hope to achieve with UN state bid?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14955728

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told his people in a televised address on Friday evening that he plans to ask the United Nations Security Council to upgrade his nation's representation at that international body to that of a member state.


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Mr Abbas hopes the move will gain popular support
This represents a strategy of confrontation with the US and involves many risks.

When I was writing earlier this week from New York, I reported the views of diplomats at the UN that the Palestinians might seek the easier path of tabling a resolution in the General Assembly (where America does not have a veto), perhaps also taking the "Vatican option" of raising the Palestinian Territories' status to that just below a full ranking membership of the organisation.

When talking to former US secretary of state Colin Powell and others last week he certainly made the assumption that this issue would play out in the General Assembly rather than the Security Council.

Supporters of Mr Abbas argue that the peace process fostered by the US and other Quartet nations was meant to deliver independence by this month, only the UN Security Council can endorse fully fledged membership, and that two years of stalemate in negotiations with Israel have produced intense frustration among Palestinians.

Veto threat
All of this is true, but since US President Barack Obama has already said his country will veto any such Security Council resolution it is worth asking whether Mr Abbas more interested in bringing about a diplomatic confrontation with the US than in gaining this goal for his people.

The most charitable explanation of his actions is perhaps that he believes the US is bluffing or will have to bow to world opinion in the matter.

But since the Palestinian leader has already ignored American pleas not to push ahead, including from two envoys sent at the least minute to meet him, it stands to reason that the White House must now make good its threat to veto or risk losing a great deal of credibility.

Opponents of the Palestinian bid argue that it is a unilateral action that will undermine attempts to negotiate a two state solution, and that it could be little more than an empty gesture even if it succeeded, since it will hardly charge the lives of Palestinians.

Some have argued that it could touch off a wave of violence across the Middle East, and turn the Arab Spring against the US.

11th hour negotiations
No doubt Mr Abbas, who is part of that generation of Arab leaders now feeling the heat of frustration across the region, hopes that he can seize the initiative, gaining popular support in the process.

The denunciation this evening of his bid for full UN membership by his political rivals in the Islamist party Hamas suggests that they too may see that the Palestinian president may be tapping into the anger of his people.

Of course Middle East watchers will be anxiously waiting for the day after the resolution (either being passed or vetoed).

Nobody can predict its exact effects, but it is a fear of the possible consequences that will produce much 11th hour diplomacy on the margins of the UN in New York in an attempt to avoid a clash in the Security Council.
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« Reply #137 on: September 16, 2011, 01:55:22 pm »

Yes, with the USA vetoing it, I really wonder the true agendas of Obama and the US federal government in all this? It's not like Obama is Israel-loving.

Are they trying to start civil wars and more terrorist attacks? Does Obama want to do the negotiating himself without the UN?

Again, there has to be some draconian agendas behind this...
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« Reply #138 on: September 17, 2011, 11:19:19 am »

PA to US: Statehood veto would 'destroy' two-state solution


Erekat says anyone who supports two-state solution should back Palestinian efforts at UN, says would consider dismantling the PA if statehood bid is thwarted; PLO official says UN bid inspired by Obama speech.

The Palestinian Authority on Saturday warned the US against using the veto to thwart its plan to seek membership for a Palestinian state in the UN next week.

The PA said that a US veto would "destroy" the two-state solution.

The warning came hours after PA President Mahmoud Abbas announced in a speech in Ramallah that he would ask the UN Security Council to accept membership of a Palestinian state.

Chief PLO negotiator Saeb Erekat warned that the US Administration's use of a veto to foil the PA move would destroy the two-state solution.

"Anyone who supports the two-state solution should back the Palestinian effort [at the UN]," he said.

Erekat hinted that the Palestinians would consider dismantling the PA if the US thwarted their statehood bid.

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« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2011, 10:59:12 am »

Palestinians See U.N. Bid as Their Most Viable Option

The Palestinian decision to apply for full United Nations membership at the Security Council, announced Friday by President Mahmoud Abbas, was the most viable of the only options possible: surrender, return to violence or appeal to the international community, a senior Palestinian official said Saturday.

The official, Nabil Shaath, spoke to journalists before leaving for New York as part of the Palestinian delegation heading to the United Nations. He said that the appeal would change the ground rules of the conflict, and that although the Obama administration had vowed to veto the request and Israel had threatened punitive countermeasures, the Arab uprisings should make them reconsider.

“If I were President Obama or Israel, I would ask myself what is happening in the region,” he said, adding of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel: “Mr. Netanyahu is a pragmatist. If the odds change, he may change his calculations.”

Going to the Security Council instead of to the General Assembly, where there is no veto and where a pro-Palestinian majority is virtually guaranteed, has been considered a riskier and more confrontational approach because it invites an American veto.

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Obama conflicted over Palestine question

Exactly a year ago this week, President Barack Obama stood at the podium at the UN General Assembly and declared his support for a Palestinian state.

“Palestinians will never know the pride and dignity that comes with their own state,” Mr Obama told the general assembly, unless the two parties reached a peace agreement.

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So it will be some degree of awkwardness that Mr Obama returns to the UN this week and directs his representatives to vote against a plan that would lead to Palestinians achieving that exact destination, albeit by a different route.

Indeed, the US president will be acutely aware how hypocritical he must appear: voicing support for democratic transitions across the Middle East at the same time as scuppering Palestinian aspirations for recognition. Mr Obama hardly wants to be seen as being on the wrong side of the change sweeping through the Arab world.

Palestinian leaders this week plan to make a bid for full membership of the UN, a move that would officially make it a state, Palestine, on an equal footing with Israel. But the US has explicitly stated that it will use its veto power through the Security Council to block any such move.

Washington has long insisted that the only way to arrive at a Palestinian state is through negotiation and US presidents have long shunned the UN as the vehicle for getting there.

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Abbas defiant as "all hell" breaks out over U.N. plan

President Mahmoud Abbas said he is sticking to his plan to seek full United Nations membership for a Palestinian state although "all hell has broken out" over the move opposed by the United States and Israel.

Abbas, speaking en route to the U.N. General Assembly in New York, said he had been told by the United States and European governments that "matters will be bad" after a move which reflects his frustration with a moribund peace process.

"To what extent, we will know later on," said Abbas, head of the Palestinian Authority which depends on international financial aid for its survival in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

The United States and Israel wanted to keep the peace process restricted to "a bilateral dialogue" overseen from afar by Washington, he said. But all the while this dialogue had failed, prompting the U.N. membership move.

"We decided to take this step and all hell has broken out against us," he told reporters on his flight to New York.

Abbas has said he will present the request for full U.N. membership during his speech to the General Assembly on Friday.

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Wave of terror to compliment U.N. vote

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The Palestinian Authority has information about terrorist attacks being planned to coincide with its bid this week to seek a unilateral declaration of state at the United Nations, WND has learned.

Despite knowledge of which cells may be plotting attacks, the PA has made an internal security decision to not disrupt the violent plans or arrest cell members, informed Israeli security officials said.

The security officials said the plots are being hatched by both Hamas and by renegade members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the so-called military wing of PA President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party.

Hamas is aiming to use the attacks to retake the narrative after its Fatah rivals are expected to garner Palestinian and larger Arab popularity following any U.N. declaration of a Palestinian state, the officials said.

The Al Aqsa Brigades members believe violent attacks focused on Israel's Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, commonly referred to as the West Bank, could be used as a pressure tactic against the Jewish state's presence there.

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World plays high-stakes poker over Palestinian statehood
Iran, Israel send top leaders to negotiate controversy at United Nations


WND has learned that an extraordinary game of high-stakes political poker is about to get under way in New York City this week.

The players in the drama will include President Barack Obama, Russian President Dimitri Medvedev, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the entire senior leadership of Israel, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The visits are officially connected to the 2011 United Nations General Assembly and the annual Clinton Global Initiative, but in reality, the meetings are going to be preoccupied with the Palestinian campaign to set the road for eventual U.N. membership.

Currently, the Palestinian Authority only has a non-voting observer status at the U.N. with limits on its participation, but Abbas has publicly vowed to change that.

Israel has considered the Abbas campaign so serious, that WND has learned Jerusalem has dispatched most of its senior leadership to NYC.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be accompanied by Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

The Israeli trio is expected to confer with U.S., French, U.K. and Russian counterparts to see if there is anyway to avoid a confrontation with the Palestinians at the U.N. forum.

Abbas has publicly vowed to carry his campaign to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly, where he is expected to hand Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon a formal letter seeking U.N. membership.

Ironically, only two-hours later, Netanyahu is scheduled to address the same U.N. body.

It is developing into a scene of high drama, say U.N. delegates.

While no vote on the Palestinian request is expected for several days, the public relations value of the Abbas move, which is expected be televised worldwide, will be "enormous," say veteran diplomats.

Upping the diplomatic stakes is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has pledged all-out support for the Palestinian campaign and is arriving in New York City several days in advance of his U.N. speech to help lobby Abbas' cause.

The Iranian efforts have been effective in unofficially lining up more than the 130 General Assembly votes needed to approve an "enhanced" observer status. Such a status would broaden Palestinian participation in several U.N. bodies, where it could intensify pressure on Israel to negotiate any potential peace plan on PA terms.

The U.S. is expected to blunt the PA campaign in the U.N. Security Council, where Obama has vowed a veto. Such a veto would temporarily kill any Palestinian U.N. membership, but the PA could then move the matter to the General Assembly, which could then vote to expand its rights, but just fall short of full membership.

The U.S. and its allies could do little since no veto exists.

So what could the U.S. do? Congress has threatened to cut off all aid to the Palestinians if they follow through on their U.N. campaign, a sum the State Department says exceeds $1 billion annually.

Congress has also threatened to suspend all money paid to the U.N. in general if the General Assembly approves the PA campaign.

This has put Ban Ki moon in the uncomfortable position of refusing all comment on the tug-of-war. Ban has also invited all the principles to a lunch scheduled for Wednesday afternoon at U.N. headquarters.

"It is a fluid situation," explained a senior General Assembly official who requested confidentiality. "This could literally change on a minute's notice."

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« Reply #144 on: September 19, 2011, 04:00:06 pm »

You ever notice the hypocrisy of certain people where they will slate the UN over things like Libya and say how evil they are, NWO etc. Yet they will then back the UN when it comes to Israel and use quotes from within the UN to try and justify their support for "Palestine". Particularly on the RT videos on Youtube. Just an observation. This will be an interesting month...
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You ever notice the hypocrisy of certain people where they will slate the UN over things like Libya and say how evil they are, NWO etc. Yet they will then back the UN when it comes to Israel and use quotes from within the UN to try and justify their support for "Palestine". Particularly on the RT videos on Youtube. Just an observation. This will be an interesting month...

Don't forget the entire so-called "truth movement" as well.

Basically, they say how the NWO is runned by Zionist-Jews, Israel, and their respective bankers, and are responsible for every wicked deed on the planet. So they pretty much ignore the entire spiritual battles aspect Christians face daily.(it's as if they believe this Zionism is man-made, and they can defeat them by getting the "truth" out) They don't believe the Vatican, Islam, Mormonism, and other high level wicked entities are involved at all.

Obviously, they too heavily support a Paletinean State.
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« Reply #146 on: September 19, 2011, 04:40:34 pm »

PA Terrorists Resume Rocket Attacks on Southern Israel
Palestinian Authority Arab terrorists launched rocket attacks on southern Israel, and rioting on the road further north.


Palestinian Authority Arab terrorists are ignoring a warning by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas that attacking Israel is counterproductive while he seeks United Nations recognition of the PA as a sovereign nation and full member of the international body.

In southern Israel, a short-range Qassam rocket fired by Gaza-based PA Arab terrorists exploded in an open area of the Eshkol Regional Council district.

The explosion, which came Monday night at about 9:30 p.m. local time, did not cause any damage or physical injuries.

The Color Red air raid siren alerted nearby communities, sending families racing once again for safe rooms and bomb shelters. Those with small children were forced to decide on a split second's notice whether to wake them, or **** on the chance that perhaps the missile would land “elsewhere” this time.

Further north, PA Arab rioters blocked the Cross-Binyamin Highway near the Jewish town of Neve Tzuf.

The rioters hurled rocks, clashing violently with IDF soldiers who were sent to the scene.

No injuries were reported, and after a short time, the soldiers were able to reopen the highway.

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« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2011, 03:59:42 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuBc_cbXo0&feature=youtu.be

Israel's Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Danny Ayalon explains the historical facts relating to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The video explains that the reason there is no successful peace process is because of decades of Palestinian and Arab recalcitrance and the main reason for the conflict is not Israel's presence in the West Bank, but successive Palestinian leaders resistance to Jewish sovereignty.
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Israel's Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Danny Ayalon explains the historical facts relating to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The video explains that the reason there is no successful peace process is because of decades of Palestinian and Arab recalcitrance and the main reason for the conflict is not Israel's presence in the West Bank, but successive Palestinian leaders resistance to Jewish sovereignty.
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« Reply #149 on: September 20, 2011, 02:24:24 pm »

Don't forget the entire so-called "truth movement" as well.

Basically, they say how the NWO is runned by Zionist-Jews, Israel, and their respective bankers, and are responsible for every wicked deed on the planet. So they pretty much ignore the entire spiritual battles aspect Christians face daily.(it's as if they believe this Zionism is man-made, and they can defeat them by getting the "truth" out) They don't believe the Vatican, Islam, Mormonism, and other high level wicked entities are involved at all.

Obviously, they too heavily support a Paletinean State.

Many of those also subscribe to the Zeitgeist lie, without realising they are actually promoting theosophy. They don't seem to care H. Blavatsky is one of the main sources used in it. They are not "truthers".
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