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« Reply #150 on: September 22, 2011, 01:37:12 pm »

PM to meet Obama amid effort to avert UN ‘train wreck'

By HERB KEINON
09/21/2011 05:39

Netanyahu set to arrive in US, will work to prevent Palestinian statehood bid from passing in UNSC; Nigeria to abstain in statehood resolution.



Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu departed early Wednesday morning to do battle against recognition of a Palestinian state at the UN, with his first stop being a meeting in New York with US President Barack Obama just a few hours after arrival.

Before leaving, Netanyahu told Likud MKs and mayors meeting in the Knesset that “We don’t want peace just on paper, but a lasting peace. For that we need to stand up for our interests. It’s much easier to give in to pressure, not stand up, and get applauded by the world that doesn’t understand what we have been through. We are determined to protect our interests and stand up for our truth.”

The Netanyahu-Obama meeting, the eighth between the two leaders since they both took office in early 2009, takes place four months after a meeting in May at the White House during which administration officials reportedly fumed at Netanyahu for what they perceived as his lecturing of the president over Obama’s call for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to begin on the basis of the pre-1967 lines, with mutually-agreed land swaps.

Though Netanyahu came out strongly against that proposal at the time, in the intervening months he has rolled back his position and agreed in principle to accept – with reservations – the pre-1967 lines with mutual swaps as part of the formula for renewing talks. That agreement was based on the condition that the Palestinians agree that the parameters would also include recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish people.

This idea is still serving as the basis for attempts by the Quartet to find a formula to restart the negotiations and thereby take much of the “sting” out of any resolution on statehood that the PA brings to either the Security Council or the UN.

Quartet envoys were scheduled to meet Tuesday afternoon in New York for the third consecutive day to discuss the matter. Among other ideas that are being bandied about to restart negotiations are for the Palestinians to delay a vote on the matter in the Security Council or General Assembly for six months, and for Israel to declare another settlement construction freeze.

Ironically, Netanyahu’s meeting with Obama comes as the US president is being pummeled by Republican presidential candidates over his treatment of Israel, a week after his Middle East positions had a part to play in the loss of a safe Democratic seat in a very Jewish district in New York, but as Netanyahu is saying that coordination with the administration is the best it has been since the beginning of the Obama term.

In a sign of the closeness of the cooperation, US Envoy to Israel Dan Shapiro flew on the prime minister’s plane to New York, something US ambassadors have not done since Martin Indyk used to fly on Ehud Barak’s plane when he was prime minister.

The Obama-Netanyahu meeting is expected to focus on the Palestinian statehood bid at the UN, with both the US and Israel having the shared interest of trying to keep the Palestinians from getting nine positive votes on the 15-member council, so the US would not have to use its veto to shoot down the measure.

That effort received a boost Tuesday when Nigeria’s President Goodluck Jonathan told Defense Minister Ehud Barak during a meeting that his country would abstain if the measure came to a vote in the Security Council.

At this point Israel believes the other countries who may be convinced to either vote against or abstain on the measure in the Security Council are, in addition to the US, Britain, France, Germany, Portugal, Bosnia- Herzegovina, Colombia, and Gabon. The other countries on the council are India, Brazil, South Africa, Lebanon, China and Russia.

Netanyahu will meet with the heads of state of a number of these countries before Friday when Abbas is expected to formally request to UN Secretary-General Ban Kimoon that the issue be taken up by the Security Council.

Netanyahu is expected to meet Portuguese Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho on Wednesday, as well as French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Netanyahu is also expected to meet Ban on Wednesday.

The meeting between Barak and Jonathan was set up about a week ago, and – according to a statement put out by Barak’s office – was coordinated both with Netanyahu and the US.

In addition to discussing the Palestinian issue, the statement said the two also discussed the “challenges of international terrorism and ways the two countries can cooperate in this area.” Nigeria, one of Israel’s closest friends in Africa, has been plagued over the last number of years by radical Islamic terrorism.

In Netanyahu’s meeting with Obama, the two are also expected to talk about Israeli- Turkish tension, with Obama scheduled to meet Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on the margins of the UN General Assembly meeting as well. Previous efforts by the US to calm down the tension between its two allies did not bear fruit.

Netanyahu is also expected to discuss Iran with Obama, as well as thank him again for his efforts and intervention with the Egyptians two weeks ago that led to the safe evacuation of the six Israeli security guards holed up in Israel’s embassy in Cairo ransacked by a mob.

Netanyahu and Obama are not scheduled to hold a press conference after their meeting, but are expected to issue brief statements at the beginning.

Meanwhile, Abbas’s statement broadcast Monday that he would be willing to meet Israeli leaders anywhere – quickly followed by Netanyahu’s proposal to meet in New York – has not led to any concrete steps to set up a meeting between the two. They are, however, expected to be in the same room at a reception hosted by Obama at the UN.

Netanyahu told the gathering of Likud MKs and mayors in the Knesset that he has told Abbas many times that “the path to peace comes through negotiations, and not through unilateral acts.

The way to get to the end of negotiations is to start them and stick with them. That’s what Israel wanted to do, but the Palestinians refused.

There is a growing understanding in the world about what has to be done before a state is created. That’s what I will speak about in the UN.”

In a related development, opposition leader Tzipi Livni – who has been withering in her criticism of Netanyahu both inside Israel and abroad – called him ahead of his departure to New York and said the trip was “critical to Israel’s future.”

“Any action taken by the UN endangers Israel’s security and national interests,” she said. “But it can be prevented.

It’s not too late.

Opening real negotiations can prevent the expected action in the UN and will serve the national interests of Israel that are eroding. If you start negotiating with the Palestinians, Kadima will support you.”

Gil Hoffman contributed to this report.

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« Reply #151 on: September 23, 2011, 07:02:45 am »

 

U.S. President Barack Obama said Wednesday that peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians will not come about through resolutions at the United Nations, issuing a warning to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas ahead of his UN Security Council bid on Friday.

Addressing world leaders at the opening of a UN General Assembly session, Obama put the onus on the two sides to break a yearlong impasse and get back to the negotiating table.

  U.S. President Barack Obama addresses the 66th United Nations General Assembly at the UN headquarters in New York, September 21, 2011.
 
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"There is no short cut to the end of a conflict that has endured for decades. Peace is hard work. Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United Nations," Obama said.

"Ultimately, it is Israelis and Palestinians who must live side by side," Obama continued.  "Ultimately, it is Israelis and Palestinians – not us – who must reach agreement on the issues that divide them: on borders and security; on refugees and Jerusalem."

Obama stressed that he believed in an independent Palestine, but one that will be achieved through negotiations with the Israelis.

"One year ago, I stood at this podium and called for an independent Palestine. I believed then – and I believe now – that the Palestinian people deserve a state of their own. But what I also said is that genuine peace can only be realized between Israelis and Palestinians themselves."

"Israel deserves recognition. It deserves normal relations with its neighbors. And friends of the Palestinians do them no favors by ignoring this truth, just as friends of Israel must recognize the need to pursue a two state solution with a secure Israel next to an independent Palestine."

Obama will follow up his speech with separate meetings with Israeli and Palestinian leaders as he seeks to coax both parties back to direct peace talks.

At the same time, U.S. officials are conceding that they most likely will not be able to prevent Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from moving forward with a request to the UN Security Council for full Palestinian membership.

Recognizing that Abbas seems intent to proceed, Obama is expected to privately ask the Palestinian leader to essentially drop the move for statehood recognition after Abbas delivers a formal letter of intent to the UN on Friday.

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« Reply #152 on: September 23, 2011, 09:28:40 pm »

100 gather in east Jerusalem to watch PA President Abbas's speech to the UN General Assembly on Palestinian statehood bid.
 
 
A crowd of more than 100 people of all ages gathered outside of Damascus Gate in east Jerusalem on Friday evening to watch Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s speech to the United Nations, as emotions and excitement ran high.

“We’ve been waiting for what he’ll say tonight for more than 60 years, we’ve been waiting for these words, this is what Palestinians inside and outside of Palestine are waiting to hear, and it will definitely bring a big effect on the situation,” said Ibrahim, an east Jerusalem resident, ahead of the speech.

East Jerusalemites had originally planned to show the speech on a giant screen set up at Damascus Gate, but it was canceled after police said that a showing of the speech would block traffic. At the last minute it was moved to a community center in the A Tur neighborhood, but some people still gathered at a small store across from Damascus Gate which had rigged up a large projection screen.

“Everybody, the whole world is listening to Mahmoud Abbas’s speech,” said an ecstatic Fadu Ahwad, also from Jerusalem, immediately after the speech’s conclusion, as firecrackers were shot off from the top of a nearby restaurant and cars passed, honking, with young people hanging out of the windows flashing the victory sign. "Even if we get the American veto, we will [bring it to vote] again and again even tens of times we will bring it, so there will be no more settlements, no more apartheid wall, and we will live in peace together!"

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (I Thessalonians 5:3 AKJV 1611)

After the speech, the crowd, joined at the end by Mufti of Jerusalem Muhammed Ahmad Hussein, trooped over to the amphitheater surrounding Damascus Gate and sang traditional songs while chanting “Liberation for Palestine!”

“This is not the end of the road for us, this is one battle in the war,” said Ghada Zughayar, the executive director of the Coalition for Accountability and Integrity in Palestine, an NGO that monitors corruption in the Palestinian Authority.

 “We will continue our struggle, we will not give up, because we are fully aware of our legitimate right… we are only asking for our right to exercise our right as a people, as Abbas said, we are the last nation in the whole world that is still under occupation.

"This is the moment the whole world [is watching], and 2/3 of the world is supporting our right… we are not asking for anything that is against international legitimacy. This is the time for us to do fair and justice to the Palestinians,” she said.

Others were less enthusiastic about the speech. Osuma Azorba, a 19-year-old photography student, said he was very worried about the issue of refugees and the right of return, since his parents are refugees from the village of Lifta, at the entrance to Jerusalem.

“I am pessimistic because of everything that’s happened before, they are still neglecting the Palestinians, and the strongest countries are against [the statehood bid] so nothing can change,” he said.

His concern about the right of return was echoed by Rali Bakir, a 71-year-old refugee from the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. “If I don’t have my old house then I have nothing, if I don’t have my house they can forget their speech,” he said on Friday night.

Still, the speech infused the crowd with excitement and hope for the future. “It was amazing for us to hear him speaking about the refugees and ending the occupation,” said Amad Zorba, who works in Al Quds University. “We have one red line, Jerusalem is our capital… I hope to see my flags in Jerusalem as soon as possible, because that’s my right,” he said.

No one stayed for Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s speech to the United Nations.

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« Reply #154 on: September 26, 2011, 11:26:17 am »

Council takes first step on Palestinian UN bid

The U.N. Security Council is taking its first step to consider the Palestinian request for U.N. membership.

The council will meet behind closed doors Monday afternoon for an initial discussion of the application submitted Friday by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to become the 194th member of the United Nations.

Israel and the United States oppose the move and consider it a step back for long-stalled peace talks, and the U.S. has said it will veto a resolution recommending membership.

Nonetheless, the council is moving ahead and will hold a formal meeting Wednesday to transmit the bid to a committee on admission of new members, which includes all 15 council nations, diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity because consultations have been private.

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« Reply #155 on: September 29, 2011, 03:32:50 pm »

State of Endless War

Posted By Daniel Greenfield On September 28, 2011

In his UN speech, Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority used the word “peace” twenty-eight times. “We believe in peace,” he said. But what sort of peace he believes in is another matter.

Abbas began his statehood campaign with the “Mother of Martyrs,” a mother of seven imprisoned terrorists, four of them murderers, two of whom were involved in suicide bombings, one of whom was a member of Hamas.

One of her sons, Nasser Abu Hmeid, specialized in decapitating fellow Arab-Muslims who were enemies of Fatah. Hmeid had been jailed for murdering nine Arabs, and was released in 1999 as part of a peace deal. He joined the Palestinian police forces as an “interrogator” and then moved on to the notorious Tanzim unit, which was responsible for numerous murders of Israeli civilians. Two years later, Israel finally arrested him and shoved him back into prison.

This is the real face of the proposed Palestinian state. A brutal totalitarian regime funded by US money and dedicated to the murder of political opponents and the genocide of the Jewish people.

Abbas speaks of peace at the UN — “We extend our hands to the Israeli government and the Israeli people for peace-making” — but to the home crowd, the message is quite different.

On Al-Jazeera, Fatah Central Committee Member Abbas Zaki explained the reasoning:

When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President Abbas understands, we understand and everyone knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall — what will become of Israel? It will come to an end.

If we say that we want to wipe Israel out…  it’s not acceptable policy to say so. Don’t say these things to the world. Keep it to yourself.

But many of his compatriots aren’t keeping it to themselves. A recent poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion showed that while Hamas’ popularity isn’t as high as it used to be, the vast majority of Palestinian Arabs agree with its genocidal charter.

80 percent of respondents agreed with the statement:

For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave… reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails.

73 percent agreed with the genocidal Hadith quoted in the Hamas charter:



“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

While a majority was in favor of diplomatic negotiations, it was also against two states for two peoples. The majority favored a one-state solution that would destroy Israel and opposed a two-state solution that would allow them to coexist side by side. And by a factor of two to one, they agreed with the statement that: “The real goal should be to start with two states but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.”

When three quarters of the population believes that there is a religious mandate to kill the Jews, it follows that two thirds will believe that negotiations are only a means of achieving the destruction of Israel.

Despite all the hype, the majority of Arab-Muslims in the West Bank and Gaza have no strong feelings about the statehood bid at the UN and the majority do not think that it will bring a state into being. A UN vote is not their endgame, the stones and the trees of the Hadith are.

It is impossible to understand the conflict without seeing it through the eyes of the Koran. There is no room for a permanent peace agreement with non-Muslims in Islamic theology. Such agreements are temporary measures until the “greater goal” of destroying them and subsuming their lands into the Ummah is achieved.

For the Muslim believer, the conflict with Israel is one phase of an apocalyptic struggle that began in 7th century Saudi Arabia and will conclude in the end times. And the vast majority of Muslims in the region are believers in that long struggle that will eventually end when Islam rules over the entire world.

While Israel and the West see hope for an agreement, the other side sees only one phase in a prolonged war. It doesn’t really matter what Israel puts on the table– the other side expects to get everything anyway because Allah promised it to them.

How do you negotiate peace with members of a genocidal belief system that permits deceit in pursuit of its goals? You make offers to them; they accept your concessions and continue the violence. That is what nearly two decades of negotiations have looked like. Across the administrations of three presidents, five Israeli prime ministers and two Palestinian Authority leaders– the same story has repeated itself again and again.

Those numbers hold their own clue. America and Israel change governments, but the PA’s leaders only leave when they die. The same poll cited before showed that Palestinian-Arabs don’t see themselves as part of the Arab Spring. Seventy-four percent agreed that they are not part of the Arab Spring revolutions. Sixty-four percent worry that the revolutions will bring instability to their territory. Fifty-nine percent disagree that the revolutions offer them new opportunities, and 47 percent disagree that they offer strong positive examples for change at home.

That brings us back to Hmeid, once imprisoned for beheading Arabs, now imprisoned for murdering Jews– and to the nature of what a Palestinian state really is. It’s not aspirational or democratic; it’s a giant refugee training camp for the next generation of cannon fodder in the genocidal wars of Islam.

The Palestinian Muslims have always recognized that there can be no end to the conflict as long as Israel continues to exist. Poll after poll has told the same story, the tale of a permanent war whose blood and charred metal is scattered across the sand and dust. UN statehood is just another phase in a long war which ends in mass murder. The Muslim world howls for genocide and the ranks of the US- and EU-funded militias, the Iranian-funded thugs and the rest of their ilk, are the cunning tools that they have selected for the task.

The state of Palestine is a state of war. The state of war will not end at the UN or the negotiating table. It will only end when the Muslim world stops believing that it has a right to kill in the name of its religion.

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« Reply #156 on: October 18, 2011, 03:48:58 am »

EU says Israel flouting settlement 'obligations'

BRUSSELS — The EU accused Israel of riding roughshod through "obligations" surrounding peace efforts Sunday, by granting legal status to new and existing settlements in Palestinian territories.

European Union foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton said decisions to proceed with 2,600 new housing units in the settlement of Givat Hamatos and to legalise housing in West Bank outposts were "unacceptable" and "run against roadmap obligations."

"Settlements are illegal under international law. These decisions should be reversed," she said in a statement released overnight Saturday.

Her condemnation followed that of UN leader Ban Ki-moon, but was issued before Israel published a list of 477 Palestinian prisoners to be released next week as part of the deal to free Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who has been in captivity in Gaza for more than five years.

"The proposed constructions in Givat Hamatos are of particular concern as they would cut the geographic contiguity between Jerusalem and Bethlehem," Ashton underlined.

Frustrated in her role as negotiator for the Quartet of international powers trying to jumpstart peace talks -- the United States, Russia, the EU and the UN -- she said the Israeli policy on settlement activities ran contrary to "Israel's stated commitment to this process."

She added: "Both parties are responsible for the creation of an environment of trust conducive to negotiations."

The Quartet launched a new bid to restart peace talks on the day that Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas launched its pending application for Palestinian membership of the United Nations.

The Palestinian Authority has rejected direct talks with Israel since a freeze on settlement building was ended in September 2010.

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Shaath: Palestine has 9 votes in Security Council

Published Tuesday 11/10/2011 (updated) 12/10/2011 21:49

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BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Fatah central committee member Nabil Shaath said Monday that nine countries in the Security Council were committed to supporting Palestine's bid for membership in the UN.

Shaath told Ma'an "the nine states that have confirmed voting to us, and we do not question their stance, are the following: Gabon, Bosnia, Brazil, India, Lebanon, Nigeria, South Africa, China and Russia."

Six Security Council members -- Brazil, China, India, Lebanon, Russia and South Africa -- have publicly indicated their backing for the Palestinian bid.

"We should not doubt our allies and we should help these countries in facing US and Israeli pressure and to reinforce the stance of these states through constant meetings and to get assistance from the Arab countries who could support these states," Shaath said.

President Mahmoud Abbas last month submitted a formal application to the UN Security Council for recognition of statehood, ignoring a US threat to veto the measure if it is put to vote.

The UN membership request, which Abbas formally presented to UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon on Sept. 23, is being studied by the 15-member Security Council, which is expected to vote on it in the coming weeks.

The Security Council has a review period of 35 days for membership application.

Responding to the Quartet's call on Sunday to invite Palestinians and Israelis to meet, Shaath said that the PLO would not return to negotiations without a halt in settlement activity.

The Quartet has damaged its own credibility in light of a current polarization whereby the US consistently defends Israel, he added.

The Quartet -- the European Union, Russia, US and UN -- proposed on Sept. 23 a return to talks within 30 days, proposals on substantive issues in three months and a peace deal by the end of 2012.

The proposal did not insist on a halt to settlement building in the occupied West Bank, which Palestinian officials say is necessary for the viability of a Palestinian state.

Abbas responded to the most recent Quartet invitation by saying: "We are at any moment willing to return to the negotiating table if Israel is of the same mind."

On Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told EU policy chief Catherine Ashton that he was "happy to meet Mahmoud Abbas at any time," his office said in a statement.
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U.S. Funding on the Line As UNESCO Mulls Membership for ‘Palestine’

The United Nations’ cultural agency has begun a high-level conference that will decide on an application for membership for “Palestine” – a move that could lead to a legally-mandated severing of U.S. funding.

Unless intensive lobbying results in the Palestinian Authority (P.A.) withdrawing its request, the application is expected to achieve the required two-thirds majority in a vote by the General Conference of the Paris-based U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

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« Reply #159 on: October 28, 2011, 11:18:22 am »

Israel must give Palestinians their land back: Baroness Jenny Tonge

Former British Member of Parliament (MP) Baroness Jenny Tonge has said that the Israelis must give Palestinian people’s land back in order to solve the Palestinian issue. 

“They (the Israelis) really must solve this huge problem that they have made for themselves, entirely their fault, they have made this problem and they have got to solve it by giving the Palestinians their land back and creating a secure and prosperous day to Palestine,” Tonge said on Press TV’s program ‘Remember Palestine’.

The program, which also aired the views of Samira Quralshy, a political analyst for Middle East Monitor, was broadcast on Thursday from London.

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Palestinians press U.N. for statehood vote
U.S. prepared to use veto if Security Council passes resolution


The Palestinian drive for United Nations membership may be resolved in the upcoming week, say diplomatic sources.

The United States has promised to veto the application, which has been under review in the Security Council for over a month. But Washington hopes to avoid casting such a stop sign.

The State Department is counting on the Palestinian Authority move receiving less than the required nine votes for Security Council approval, making a U.S. veto unnecessary.

Diplomats say the unofficial head counts put the yes votes between eight and nine.

A closed series of consultations is scheduled to consider the issue during the first week of November.

Washington will press for more time to consider the application, but the Palestinians are under pressure at home to move the issue to a vote.

Last week, the confrontation between the Palestinians, the U.S. and Israel rose to the surface during a brief Security Council meeting on the regional situation in the Middle East.

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Unesco gives Palestinians full membership
Unesco, the United Nations' cultural agency, has decided to give the Palestinians full membership of the body, in a vote that will boost their bid for recognition as a state at the UN.


Unesco is the first UN agency the Palestinians have sought to join as a full member since President Mahmoud Abbas applied for full membership of the United Nations on Sept. 23.

The United States, Canada and Germany voted against Palestinian membership. Brazil, Russia, China, India, South Africa and France voted in favour. Britain abstained.

Huge cheers went up in Unesco after delegates voted to approve the membership Monday. One shouted "Long Live Palestine!" in French.

Israel said that the vote will harm prospects for the resumption of Middle East peace talks.

"This is a unilateral Palestinian manoeuver which will bring no change on the ground but further removes the possibility for a peace agreement," Israel's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "This decision will not turn the Palestinian Authority into an actual state yet places unnecessary burdens on the route to renewing negotiations."

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UN Secretary-General: Palestinian efforts to join UN agencies beyond cultural arm 'not beneficial' for Palestine, anybody else - AP

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Israel halts $2 million payments to UNESCO, protesting group's decision to accept Palestine as member - @Jerusalem_Post

Israel halted its $2 million annual payment to UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, on Thursday, in protest over its decision Monday to accept Palestine as its 195th member.

Earlier this week, the US and Canada also froze their UNESCO funding.

In a statement, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said, "Such steps [the UNESCO vote] distances peace, it doesn't advance it. The only path to peace is through the immediate resumption of negotiations without preconditions."

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Decision on Palestine’s statehood bid needed by New Year – ambassador

A vote on Palestine’s statehood bid at the United Nations must be held by the New Year, Palestinian Ambassador to Moscow Fayed Mustafa said on Wednesday.

“It is expected that voting in the UN Security Council should finish by the New Year, even despite the fact that its permanent members have various opinions on this issue,” Mustafa said, adding that the situation will become much clearer after the crucial vote of the UN Security Council scheduled for November 11.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Secretary-General of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), Yasser Abed Rabbo, said that a total of eight out of fifteen members of the UN Security Council, including Russia, China, Brazil, India, South Africa, Lebanon, Nigeria and Gabon support Palestine’s admission to the UN.

Security Council decisions require the approval of at least nine of the 15 members, and no vetoes from the five permanent members (Russia, USA, France, Britain or China), in order to pass. The United States, however, has repeatedly stated its intention to block the adoption of Palestine.

Mustafa also said that if Palestine fails to be recognized this time, it will make more efforts in the future to get recognition. “We will probably fail [on November 11] since the United States strongly opposes it…This issue will remain on the agenda…and we will continue our efforts to resolve this problem.”

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« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2011, 12:13:52 pm »

Wait! Did I read that date correctly? November 11. They are going to vote on 11/11/11 for Palistinian statehood?

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« Reply #166 on: November 09, 2011, 12:26:12 pm »

Wait! Did I read that date correctly? November 11. They are going to vote on 11/11/11 for Palistinian statehood?



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« Reply #167 on: November 09, 2011, 12:33:30 pm »

Even though Obama says he will veto it...from out of the heart comes...in Obama's heart, he's anti-Israel.
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McCain: Bill Clinton should run ME peace efforts

Former presidential candidate calls on Obama to make Clinton special envoy because he has credibility with both Israelis and Palestinians.
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  WASHINGTON - Republican Senator John McCain has some advice for US President Barack Obama to help energize stalled Middle East peacemaking: put former President Bill Clinton in charge.

Democrat Bill Clinton, husband of Obama's Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is always "the smartest guy in the room" and so would he be in a roomful of Israeli and Palestinian negotiators, McCain told the Reuters Washington summit on Tuesday.

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The Republican presidential nominee in 2008 who lost to Obama, McCain said Clinton had credibility with both Israelis and Palestinians and had come the closest of anyone to producing peace.

That was an apparent reference to the 2000 Camp David talks between then-prime minister Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat, the late head of the Palestinian Authority.

"I believe that the president should call in the one person who has a chance of negotiating, having both sides negotiate with good faith, and that's one Bill Clinton," McCain said.

"I would ask him to take on the role of the president's special envoy, mediator, potentate, whatever you want to call it because he's the person that came the closest and he's the person that has the most credibility," McCain told Reuters.


McCain's suggestion was rare praise from a Republican for a Democrat in Washington these days and came as Obama was having a not especially stellar day on the Middle East front, at least not so far as US ally Israel was concerned.

It emerged on Tuesday that Obama apparently failed to defend Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu when French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded him a "liar" in a private conversation that was overheard by journalists.

McCain said that Obama's rejoinder to Sarkozy -- "I have to deal with him even more often than you" -- reflected the "deterioration" in US-Israeli relations since Obama had become president.

Quartet envoys to meet sides separately

"There has not been one bit of progress" in the Middle East, certainly not on the Israeli-Palestinian front, since Obama was elected, McCain declared.

An Obama administration effort to broker direct peace negotiations fell apart after it was launched last year, and the United States has had little success in bringing the two sides back to the table.

With both sides at a standoff, Obama's Middle East envoy, George Mitchell, resigned earlier this year. McCain said Obama's best chance to turn the situation around now would be to bring in Clinton.

"He (Clinton) has the respect, he has the clout" and the parties would fear upsetting him, McCain said. "And he knows the issue better than anybody."

There is already a Middle East envoy for a group known as the Quartet, a body comprising the United States, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations: former British prime minister Tony Blair.

"I've watched Tony Blair try to make progress," McCain said. But Blair, in seeking to broker new talks, has run into some of the same problems that bedeviled Mitchell's efforts.

Netanyahu says he wants talks now, but the Palestinians say the Israelis must halt all building of Jewish settlements in the West Bank before they return to the table, and that is something Netanyahu's government says it will not do.

Quartet envoys will try again to jump start peace moves on Nov. 14, meeting separately with Israeli and Palestinian officials in Jerusalem, the US State Department said on Tuesday.   
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« Reply #169 on: November 11, 2011, 09:53:21 am »

Well, today's the big day, but I haven't seen any news about it on yahoo et al - anyone know the time they will take this vote at the UN?
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Abbas calls on Palestinians to mount non-violent resistance against Israel

Palestinian president says his people ‘will not succumb to the occupation,’ says will meet Hamas leader next week to discuss implementation of unity agreement.


President Mahmoud Abbas called Wednesday on the Palestinians to mount non-violent resistance to Israel's occupation of the West Bank.

"We will not succumb to the occupation and we will not give up on our rights," he said at a ceremony in the city of Ramallah to commemorate Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who died seven years ago.

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Israel strikes Gaza sites after rocket lands near Israeli kindergarten
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JERUSALEM (JTA) -- Israeli airstrikes hit two terrorist targets in Gaza in retaliation for two rockets fired at southern Israel, including one that landed near a kindergarten.

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Unesco gives Palestinians full membership
Unesco, the United Nations' cultural agency, has decided to give the Palestinians full membership of the body, in a vote that will boost their bid for recognition as a state at the UN.


Unesco is the first UN agency the Palestinians have sought to join as a full member since President Mahmoud Abbas applied for full membership of the United Nations on Sept. 23.

The United States, Canada and Germany voted against Palestinian membership. Brazil, Russia, China, India, South Africa and France voted in favour. Britain abstained.

Huge cheers went up in Unesco after delegates voted to approve the membership Monday. One shouted "Long Live Palestine!" in French.

Israel said that the vote will harm prospects for the resumption of Middle East peace talks.

"This is a unilateral Palestinian manoeuver which will bring no change on the ground but further removes the possibility for a peace agreement," Israel's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "This decision will not turn the Palestinian Authority into an actual state yet places unnecessary burdens on the route to renewing negotiations."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8859839/Unesco-gives-Palestinians-full-membership.html

Palestinians Trying to 'Wipe Out Jewish History'

An Israeli official says that the admission of Palestinians as a member state of UNESCO has emboldened them to claim Judeo-Christian biblical sites as their own.

The United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organization admitted the Palestinians as a member state Nov. 1.

One of those sites is the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron. Four thousand years ago, the Bible says Abraham bought the cave in Hebron to bury his wife Sarah. Isaac, Jacob and their wives are also buried there.

But Palestinians want UNESCO to recognize the Cave of the Patriarchs and other sites as Muslim holy places in "Palestine."

Israeli government minister Yuli Edelstein said the Palestinian request is not about peace.
 
"Their demand is not about cooperation. Their demand is a political demand to wipe off all the traces of the Jewish history and Jewish connection to the region," Edelstein said.

The cave is currently divided between a mosque and a synagogue so each faith has a place to pray.

Israel was highly criticized when it announced plans to improve the site last year and include it as an Israeli heritage site.

The head of the Islamic authorities in Hebron said at the time that the site is holy only to Muslims.

"It is a pure Muslim holy place and there is no right for non-Muslims to be here or to pray here, and I'm against the presence of the Jews, even in the old city," Haj Zeid al Ja'bari, general director of Islamic Religious Authorities in Hebron, told reporters then.
 
Even before UNESCO admitted what it calls Palestine as a full member this month, it had already called the Cave and Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem "Palestinian sites."

The Palestinian Authority now also wants the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem to be deemed a Palestinian site. The church is built over the site many believe to be the birthplace of Jesus.

Palestinians are also threatening to sue Israel for what they say is stealing Palestinian antiquities and attempting to change what they call the Islamic and Arabic character of Jerusalem's Old City.

Israelis say Jews and Christians alike should be concerned. Based on past experience, they won't likely be able to visit the site in Hebron if it comes under Muslim Palestinian control.
 
"We know for a fact that when the authorities were not Israeli authorities, Jews were not allowed even to be here," Edelstein said.

"The concept of an Islamic holy place is that no one else is allowed to be here," said David Bedein, bureau chief, Israel Resource News Agency.

"The concept of a Jewish holy place is exactly the opposite," he said. "When there's a Jewish holy place, everyone can visit."

Bedein said that in 1975, Israel's then-ambassador to the U.N. Chaim Herzog answered an Arab challenge to Israel's rights to the Cave by using the Bible to make his case.

"He opened up the Bible to Genesis 23 and said, 'This is our right. We purchased it.'"

"It's ours and we're going to live here," he continued. "We're going to pray here and we're going to invite all the nations of the world to pray with us here.'"

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PA Threatens 'Violence and Anarchy'
Officials in Ramallah say the rejection of PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas' statehood bid at the UN will plunge the region into chaos.

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Israel news photo: Flash 90Palestinian Authority officials warned Thursday the region would descend into "violence and anarchy" because of the failure of PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas' statehood bid at the United Nations.

Officials in Ramallah refused to say what they were planning to do now that they have conceded the measure does not have sufficient support in the UN Security Council to be passed on to the General Assembly for a vote.

According to a Security Council subcommittee PA officials will not be able to muster the necessary 9 votes for approval. It also noted opposition from the US - who promised to veto the measure if the security council approved it - was insurmountable.

But PA officials have pushed forward anyway, demanding a vote hoping a propaganda victory with the necessary backing would demonstrate the US was isolated in its support of Israel.

However, diplomatic sources say a Security Council vote on the issue will not occur at that point – if at all. The Security Council, they say, could simply choose to discontinue consultations on the matter.

It remains unclear if the PA will now turn to the UN General Assembly and ask for observer status – a move they previously said was unacceptable.

Ramallah's frustrated threats come amid reports senior Fatah and PLO officials are debating the administrative body's future, with some saying it was time to shut down the PA and "throw the keys back at Israel."

Such a move, observers say, would be intended to pressure Israel into making radical concession in order to avoid taking responsibility for for affairs in enclaves currently administered by the PA.

Israel successfully administered those areas from 1967 to 1993 with an across the board increase the standard of living, which has seen a downturn under the PA. A spokesman in Netanyahu's office said, while Israel does not want the PA to shut down, that such an outcome "wouldn't be the end of the world."

At the same time, Netanyahu's government reportedly lobbied US lawmakers to unfreeze $200 million in funds to the PA out of a fears its collapse will lead to Hamas replacing it. It has also been reported Israel may reverse a decision to freeze tax revenue payments to the PA for the same reason.

Amid the threats of "violence and anarchy" from Ramallah, the Quartet - the US, EU, UN, and Russia - plans to hold separate meetings with Israel and the PA on Monday.

However, PLO chief negotiator Saeb Erekat maintains the PA will not return to negotiations with Israel unless accepts the pre-1967 borders as a basis for a future Palestinian State and halts all construction in Judea, Samaria, and eastern Jerusalem.

Israel has said it will sit down to talks without preconditions, noting a previous 10-month building freeze by Israel aimed at meeting PA demands and restarting demands was rebuffed by Ramallah.

Not only were more preconditions added, officials in Jerusalem say, but the PA chose instead to violate the Oslo Accords and pursue its unilateral track at the United Nations.

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12/2/11

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-israel-must-address-growing-isolation-232927884.html

Panetta: Israel must address its growing isolation

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Leon Panetta called on Israel on Friday to take diplomatic steps to address what he described as its growing isolation in the Middle East.

Panetta, in prepared remarks that he was due to deliver in Washington on Friday evening, stressed U.S. efforts to bolster regional stability and to safeguard Israel's security.

"Israel, too, has a responsibility to pursue these shared goals -- to build regional support for Israeli and United States security objectives," Panetta said, according to portions of the speech released to reporters before delivery.

"I believe security is dependent on a strong military but it is also dependent on strong diplomacy. And unfortunately, over the past year, we've seen Israel's isolation from its traditional security partners in the region grow."

Panetta lamented the moribund peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, which he said had "effectively been put on hold."

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Congress frees $40 million in aid to Palestinians


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WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawmakers have freed up a little more than 20 percent of $187 million in U.S. assistance to the Palestinians that had been frozen over the Palestinian bid for U.N. membership.

Members of Congress have made available $40 million in economic and humanitarian funding for the Palestinians, the State Department said Wednesday. The money is administered by the U.S. Agency for International Development and "has been vital to establishing and strengthening the foundations necessary for a future Palestinian state," the department said.

The Obama administration had been urging lawmakers, with Israel's backing, to release the money as it contributes to Palestinian stability and Israeli security. "It is in the interest of the Palestinians, Israel and the United States, to ensure these efforts continue," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said. "They help to build a more democratic, stable, and secure region."

The administration is pressing Congress to release the remaining $147 million that comes from the last budget cycle in which aid to the Palestinians was to total 545.7 million. New funding for the Palestinians will be subject to additional scrutiny and can be blocked if they win full admission to the United Nations before a peace deal with Israel is agreed.

The administration has asked Congress for $513.4 million in aid for the Palestinians in fiscal year 2012.

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Israel, Palestinians to meet Tuesday; prospects hazy

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli and Palestinian negotiators will meet this week after more than a year of deadlock in peacemaking, officials said Sunday, but both sides played down prospects of any imminent resumption of talks.
 
Yitzhak Molcho of Israel and Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat will meet Tuesday in Jordan alongside representatives of the Quartet of Middle East mediators - the United States, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations.
 
"This aims at reaching a common ground to resume direct talks between the two sides and to achieve a Palestinian-Israeli peace accord ... by the end of 2012," the official Jordanian news agency Petra quoted Mohammad al-Kayed, spokesman of the Foreign Ministry in Amman, as saying.
 
"It is essential that both sides take advantage of this opportunity," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a statement released in Washington.

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1/2/12

Palestinians plan diplomatic steps to put Israel under 'international siege'

Top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat to meet Netanyahu's envoy in Jordan Tuesday for preliminary talks aimed at setting an agenda for peace negotiations
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's envoy Isaac Molho will meet with top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat in Amman Tuesday for preliminary talks aimed at setting an agenda for peace negotiations, even as the Palestinians are preparing a diplomatic campaign that aims to put Israel under "a real international siege."

Among those who have been pushing hard for the meeting Tuesday, the first official meeting between Israeli and Palestinian representatives in several months, are Jordan's King Abdullah and Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh and the Quartet's Mideast envoy, former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Senior Israeli officials said there was very little chance that the meeting would lead to the renewal of negotiations.

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Muslim Brotherhood Plans to Cancel Peace Pact with Israel

1/1/12

 The Muslim Brotherhood comes up with a neat trick to break the peace treaty with Israel without formally doing so. Egypt’s next likely ruling party says it simply will hold a plebiscite and let the people do it.

Rashad Bayoumi, deputy Supreme Leader of the Brotherhood, told the London-based newspaper Al-Hayat on Sunday it respects international treaties and will leave the issue of the peace treaty in the hands of the people. The pact was signed by then-Egyptian president Anwar Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, but a "cold peace" has set in over the past several years.

“People will express their opinions on it. All parties can reconsider the treaty and Egyptians haven't yet had their say,” he explained. “We won't violate the treaty. We can put it for referendum among people or parliament,” Bayoumi said.

The ploy would ostensibly take the onus off the radical Muslim party, which Jeffrey Feltman, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, has said will respect the treaty.

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Gaza's Hamas PM warmly welcomed in Turkish parliament

Gaza's Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniya received a warm welcome on Tuesday from lawmakers of Turkey's ruling party during a visit to the Turkish parliament.

The Palestinian leader received a standing ovation from the ranks of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) for his surprise entry into the room as the prime minister was making his weekly address to his fellow deputies.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was praising intra-Palestinian reconciliation between Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's Fatah and the Islamist movement Hamas governing Gaza as Haniya headed into the room.

Haniya, who also met with the leaders of Turkey's opposition parties, declined to speak to the press but made a "V" for victory sign to the cameras.

An aide told AFP that Haniya would return to Istanbul late on Tuesday and fly on to Tunisia on Wednesday as part of his first trip abroad since Hamas took power in Gaza in 2007.

Haniya has already visited Egypt and Sudan on a tour which his office said was aimed primarily at seeking aid to rebuild Gaza City.

The Gaza premier arrived in Turkey on Sunday for a meeting with Erdogan in Istanbul. In a symbolic visit, on Monday he toured a Turkish vessel stormed by Israeli troops in a raid that left nine activists dead in May 2010.

The incident led a furious Turkey to downgrade relations with Israel, a one-time ally, and Ankara is seeking an apology and compensation for the victims before it restores full ties.

Since 2007, the Palestinian territories have been politically divided into two separate territories, with Abbas's Fatah largely ruling the West Bank and Hamas governing Gaza.

Turkey has sought to mediate in reconciliation efforts between the Fatah faction and Hamas, despite Israeli ire over its contacts with the Islamist movement.

Erdogan's Islamic-rooted government insists that peace cannot be achieved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict if Hamas is excluded from the process.

Erdogan has rejected the "terrorist label" for the Islamist group, insisting its members are "resistance fighters struggling to defend their land".

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