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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2013, 07:18:25 am »

What Will Be Illegal When Homosexuality is Legal

(first published August 5, 2008)

If homosexuality is fully legalized and homosexual activists are given every right they demand, citizens in western nations will be robbed of many liberties they have heretofore enjoyed. This is not a guess; it is a judgment based on current facts. The right to free speech and the right to the free exercise of religion, in particular, will be effectively destroyed.

WHEN HOMOSEXUALITY IS FULLY LEGAL, YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING THAT MIGHT APPEAR BIASED AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY.

http://www.wayoflife.org/index_files/faee220dbe0056669572e867bf8638d1-1076.html

This is so true and here is 100% proof of it, the Constitution in America is DEAD, its over. This is the END TIMES and the Lord will soon return for HIS own.

Judge: Ugandan Homosexual Activist Group Can Sue American Pastor for ‘Crimes Against Humanity’

A federal judge has refused to dismiss an international lawsuit filed by a Ugandan homosexual activist group, which accuses an American pastor of committing ‘crimes against humanity’ for speaking out against homosexual behavior in the country.
 
As previously reported, Massachusetts Pastor Scott Lively, author of The Pink Swastika, had visited the nation of Uganda in 2009, where he spoke on what the Bible says about homosexuality and expressed support of pastors in the country that were working to oppose the proliferation of sexual activity between those of the same gender.
 
Following his visit, the group Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG), filed a lawsuit against Lively, asserting that he had violated international law because his words allegedly encouraged government persecution against homosexuals in the nation. He was sued under the Alien Tort Statute (ATS), which allows individuals from foreign nations to file federal complaints against U.S. citizens who have committed torts overseas.
 
“That’s about as ridiculous as it gets,” Lively told the New York Times. “I’ve never done anything in Uganda except preach the Gospel and speak my opinion about the homosexual issue.”

“ATS is not a blanket delegation of lawmaking to the democratically unaccountable international community,” said Mat Staver, founder of Liberty Council, which is representing the evangelical pastor. “Like all American citizens, Lively enjoys a fundamental First Amendment right to engage in nonviolent political discourse anywhere in the world.”
 
In January of this year, Senior Litigation Counsel Harry Mihet and General Counsel Steve Crampton asked District Judge Michael A. Ponsor to throw out the case. SMUG is being represented by a group funded by George Soros.
 
However, now eight months later, Ponsor has issued his decision, refusing to dismiss the lawsuit.

“He has allegedly supported and actively participated in worldwide initiatives, with a substantial focus on Uganda, aimed at repressing free expression by LGBTI groups, destroying the organizations that support them, intimidating LGBTI individuals, and even criminalizing the very status of being lesbian or gay,” he wrote in his 79-page ruling.
 
Ponsor, appointed by Bill Clinton in 1994, reportedly said that Ugandan representatives were “co-conspirators” with Lively, and that to some, standing against the proliferation of homosexuality “constitutes a crime against humanity that violates international norms.” However, he advised that it is too soon to say whether Lively actually violated any American law.

Lively’s attorney, Harry Mihet, issued a brief statement in response to Ponsor’s decision, remarking that the case should not have been permitted to proceed.
 
“We are disappointed with the decision because we believe SMUG’s claims are firmly foreclosed, not only by the First Amendment right to free speech, but also by the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Kiobel, which eliminated Alien Tort Statute claims for events that allegedly occurred in foreign nations,” he said. “We are still reviewing the court’s ruling, and will continue to vigorously defend Mr. Lively’s constitutional rights, with confidence that he will ultimately be vindicated.”
 
The case will now move forward in federal court.
 
In addition to serving as an attorney, author and pastor, Lively assists the homeless and drug addicts of his community and helps them to find freedom from their chains through the power of Jesus Christ.

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« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2013, 05:26:31 am »

UK Pastor Under Investigation After Calling Homosexual Pride Fest ‘Carnival of Perverted Carnality’

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A pastor in the United Kingdom was recently visited at his home by police and is now under an official criminal investigation after he sent an email to organizers of a homosexual pride event expressing his concern over what he called an “unashamed carnival of perverted carnality.”
 
Alan Clifford of Norwich Reformed Church recently attended Norwich Pride with several friends to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with attendees, as he had done in years past. In 2012, he was banned from an area of the parade for distributing what was deemed as “hate motivated” literature.

After this year’s event, he sent an email to organizers, which he copied to other entities, to express his disapproval.
 
“The planned route took us past the market and the City Hall. Shamelessly displaying the City Council’s decadence, a ‘rainbow’ drape stretched along the entire width of the building,” Clifford wrote. “On the balcony the lord mayor, resplendent in his ceremonial robes, waved to the crowd, supported by other members of the council. It was a truly shameful display of official support.”

 He also described the event as an “unashamed carnival of perverted carnality,” and attached two Gospel tracts:  Christ Can Cure – Good News for Gays and Jesus Christ – the Savior We All Need.
 
Norwich Pride organizers then reported the email to the police, asserting that the pastor had engaged in “homophobic” speech.
 
“We reported the email to the police as a hate incident and are pleased that they are dealing with it seriously,” a representative told EDP 24. ”Our mission at Norwich Pride is to ensure that we live in a city where everyone feels safe and proud to be themselves–and nobody feels hated simply for being who they are.”

Police have confirmed that they are now investigating the matter, and Clifford awaits to hear whether or not he will face criminal prosecution. He was visited at his home by the Norfolk Constabulary, who offered him the choice of paying a fine or contesting the allegation.
 
The pastor replied that he doesn’t hate homosexuals, and that the reason that he attended the event was because he loves them enough to share the word of God and the Gospel.
 
“Is that hatred? We don’t hate these people. We love them and want to help them,” he told police. “So, even though the gay-pride people are upset, we are guilty of no crime.”
 
‘I certainly fear the influence of homosexuality on society,” Clifford said, “but this should not be regarded as ‘hatred’ unless criticism is taken to mean ‘hatred.’”
 
UK reporter Adrian Hilton also defended Clifford, stating that while he disagrees with the pastor on some topics, such as his belief that Islam is “evil,” he believes prosecution is unwarranted.

 “Both European law and the English common law establish by precedent that Dr. Clifford may exercise his freedom of speech–especially in regard to religious liberty and preaching the Word of God–even if this might cause offense,” he wrote in a recent article about the matter.
 
Hilton also stated that he found it to be “deeply and profoundly intolerant” of homosexuals to “reduce public moral discourse to crass displays of boorish posturing and infantile ethics.”
 
“The Gospel may now only be preached safely to white, able-bodied heterosexuals, and you’d better hope that ‘any other person’ doesn’t happen accidentally to overhear,” he lamented. ”It’s a good job adultery, drunkenness and theft aren’t protected characteristics–there’d be nobody left to preach to.”

http://christiannews.net/2013/08/31/uk-pastor-under-investigation-for-calling-homosexual-pride-fest-carnival-of-perverted-carnality/
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« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2013, 03:59:46 am »

http://gma.yahoo.com/florist-refused-flowers-gay-wedding-sued-154420094--abc-news-topstories.html
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A lesbian couple went to Sweet Cakes, a Gresham, Ore., bakery Jan. 17 to order their wedding cake, but said they were told the bakery didn't serve same-sex marriages.

Aaron Klein, who owns Sweet Cakes with his wife, Melissa, told ABC News affiliate KATU-TV he was living in accordance with his religious beliefs when he refused to make the couple a wedding cake.

"I honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn't mean to make anybody upset, [it's] just something I believe in very strongly," he said.

A complaint was filed with the Oregon Department of Justice; however a spokesman told ABCNews.com the couple said last month they planned to move the complaint to the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries.

"Ace of Cakes" star Duff Goldman heard about the plight of the brides-to-be and said he would bake them a wedding cake free of charge.

"I want to give them a big hug and say congratulations," he told ABCNews.com in February. "It involves cake, it involves love, marriage, all things I'm a big fan of."


Gresham bakery that denied same-sex wedding cake closes

A Gresham bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, prompting a state investigation, shut its doors.

On Sunday, KGW stopped by Sweet Cakes by Melissa and found the bakery completely empty. All counter tops, display cases and decorations were gone.

Hanging in the window was a sign from the Oregon Family Council that read "Religious freedom is under attack in Gresham."

As first reported in Willamette Week, Sweet Cakes by Melissa posted on its Facebook page, “This will be our last weekend at the shop we are moving our business to an in home bakery. I will post our new number soon.”

In January, Laurel Bowman said Sweet Cakes by Melissa refused to sell her a cake after learning it would be for a same-sex wedding.

In August, the Bureau of Labor and Industries said it was conducting an investigation to determine if the bakery violated the Oregon Equality Act of 2007, which protects the rights of LGBT Oregonians.

Aaron Klein, one of the owners of the "Sweet Cakes by Melissa,” refused to sell the cake to one of the brides-to-be because he said marriage should be only between a man and a woman.

Bowman later filed a complaint with the justice department, which Klein’s attorney Herbert Grey responded to. In his letter, Grey says the couple "elected not to participate in an event that is not even officially recognized under Oregon law when doing so would violate their constitutionally-protected conscience and religious beliefs."

All of the comments on the bakery's Facebook page are largely supportive of the business.

“I'm sorry to hear this. Its very frustrating to have people do all they can to cause others strife just because they don't agree with a lifestyle. I will keep you all in my prayers. Don't let them get you down. You will survive this and all other tests through your faith. God bless Melissa,” one woman writes.

Willamette Week, however, noted several negative comments on Sweet Cakes’ Facebook page have been taken down.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Gresham-bakery-that-denied-same-sex-wedding-cake-closes--222004711.html
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« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2013, 11:03:03 am »

Scripture warns about having the galls of bitterness.

Yeah, this sodomite couple who forced this bakery to get closed down - they will have just that until their death, and will regret it when they face Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne of Judgment(unless they repent).
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« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2013, 11:23:44 am »

ya know, my problem with this is their reason for it. Ya Sodomy is a sin, but it is also a JUDGMENT from God on a nation and a people. But they sell their goods to well, LIARS, ADULTERERS, THIEVES, BLASPHEMERS... I mean which sin is worse than the other? The Bible says the only way to get rid of the sodomites is to drive them out of the country and repent to the Lord. These people are putting one sin above another, like its worse than another or something.

Sorry but the punishment is all the SAME. And this really looks hypocritical. BECAUSE they sell to LIARS and THIEVES.
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ya know, my problem with this is their reason for it. Ya Sodomy is a sin, but it is also a JUDGMENT from God on a nation and a people. But they sell their goods to well, LIARS, ADULTERERS, THIEVES, BLASPHEMERS... I mean which sin is worse than the other? The Bible says the only way to get rid of the sodomites is to drive them out of the country and repent to the Lord. These people are putting one sin above another, like its worse than another or something.

Sorry but the punishment is all the SAME. And this really looks hypocritical. BECAUSE they sell to LIARS and THIEVES.


Yeah, it seems like with today's modern-day church pastor, when the subject of sodomy comes up, they have this "But no sin is worse than any other" attitude. They may staunchly oppose gay marriage itself, but that's as far as they will go.

As we've seen throughout the bible - like you said, sodomites had to be driven out of the land. Otherwise, it would be the end of the line(ie-Sodom and Gomorrah).

And also - look at all the ties sodomy has with - feminism being one, and feminism's biggest agenda is to war against Christianity. And feminism's other big agendas are abortion, and being EQUAL with men.

Yeah, ultimately, you see how all of this ties together.
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« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2013, 11:30:21 am »

And let's not forget how the Wescott and Hort bible versions were done by sodomites.
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« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2013, 12:39:45 pm »

Found the bathroom sign in this article interesting to depict "transgender"...

http://www.prayinjesusname.org/2013/08/dr-chaps-vs-alan-colmes-on-discrimination-vs-sodomy/

NEW Petition, Stop ENDA "bathroom bill" to Punish Christian Employers.  Select, sign, we will fax all 535 members of House and Senate (saving you time!) or pick free option here.

**Ladies, imagine you're at a restaurant or shopping mall, with your little girl, and you walk into the bathroom, and are confronted by a man who "feels" like a woman that day.  Or business owners, just imagine getting sued by that man, and bankrupted, because you politely asked him to use the men's room.  You'll pay both your lawyer, and his.

What is ENDA, you ask?  The end of women's privacy in public bathrooms.  This doomsday legislation, H.R. 1755, empowers homose xual complainers to bankrupt all Christian Business Owners, hurting the economy, if the business owner refuses cross-dressing men entry to the ladies room, even before the deviant gets any sex-change operation. 

GOP Congressman John Kline (R-MN) warns us that ENDA creates an entirely new protected class that is vaguely defined and often subjective. "The legislation extends protections based on – quote – 'perceived' sexual orientation," Kline said. "These vaguely defined terms would result in an explosion of litigation," costing millions in lawyers fees, paid by Christian Business Owners to homose xual complainers.

Lesbian activist Patricia Nell Warren admitted this, during interviews with Bill Berkowitz:

BB: How do you react to charges from Religious Right leaders that ENDA will sanction cross-dressing in the work place?

PNW: In a sense, the charge is accurate. If ENDA is passed, employees should be allowed to dress in the manner that's appropriate to their chosen gender identity, whatever that is. And they will do that if allowed by law.

BB: And when ENDA is passed?

PNW: If and when ENDA passes, having people with changed gender identity in the workplace -- working side by side with them, and even using the same bathroom with them -- is something that some people will just have to get over.  [She then compared those who don't want co-ed bathrooms to racists.]

NEW Petition, Stop ENDA "bathroom bill" to Punish Christian Employers.  Select, sign, we will fax all 535 members of House and Senate (saving you time!) or pick free option here.

Friends, their version of tolerance now requires bankrupting Christian employers, or any public restaurant or retail store that refuses men full access to women's bathrooms.  We must take action to stop ENDA from becoming law.

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Sports Commentator Fired Over Past Remarks That Homosexuals Will ‘Answer to the Lord for Actions’

After only a week on the job, a former NFL star and ESPN commentator was fired from his new position at FOX Sports Southwest this week after video footage surfaced of comments he made last year expressing that homosexuals will have to “answer to the Lord for their actions.”
 
Craig James played for the New England Patriots in the 1980′s and later became a sportscaster for ESPN. In 2011, he decided to run for the U.S. Senate, and participated in a number of debates, including the 2012 event that recently cost him his job.
 
During the debate, Craig was asked about his views on homosexuality and same-sex “marriage.” As a Christian, he responded that he could not support unBiblical behavior, and neither should any other civil leader.
 
“I think that this country, our moral fiber is sliding down a slope that is going to be hard to stop if we don’t stand up–the leaders who don’t go ride in gay parades,” he said. “I can assure you, I will never ride in a gay parade. Our kids out there…People need to see examples. I’m a guy who believes in [the union of] a man and a woman, [and] the greatest government is occurring in a home at night between a husband and wife, Adam and Eve, and what the Bible says.”

Craig was then asked if he believes men and women choose to be homosexual.
 
“I think it’s a choice; I do,” he replied. “Same-sex marriage, if someone chooses to do that, that’s them. And God’s going to judge each one of us in this room for our actions. And in that case right there, they’re going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions.”
 
“We should not give benefits to those civil unions,” James continued. “We have to stay strong on this. This is important, man. I’ll tell you what, we have a fiscal issue in this country, [but] we also have a moral issue in this country, and as Christians, we’ve got to stand up.”

His response then drew applause from the crowd, but not so much when FOX officials saw the footage.
 
“We just asked ourselves how Craig’s statements would play in our human resources department,” an unnamed FOX representative told reporters. “He couldn’t say those things here.”
 
“Craig James will not be making any further appearances on FOX Sports Southwest’s football coverage this season,” they advised.

Reaction to James’ firing has largely been negative.
 
“How sad that these sports networks claiming they are about diversity and openness completely shun the conservative or Christian view. This is absolutely wrong and spits in the face of what you claim to be,” one commenter wrote. “[FOX is] not open-minded or accepting of other’s opinions or beliefs, which makes you the hypocrite. The sad thing is that many of Mr. James’ fellow announcers feel as he and the majority of America does, but are not brave enough to stand for what’s right for fear of retribution or losing their job as Craig did.”
 
“Shame on you FOX Sports,” they said. “God bless you, Mr. James. It’s good to see someone stand for their beliefs.”

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“I think that this country, our moral fiber is sliding down a slope that is going to be hard to stop if we don’t stand up–the leaders who don’t go ride in gay parades,” he said. “I can assure you, I will never ride in a gay parade. Our kids out there…People need to see examples. I’m a guy who believes in [the union of] a man and a woman, [and] the greatest government is occurring in a home at night between a husband and wife, Adam and Eve, and what the Bible says.”

Craig was then asked if he believes men and women choose to be homosexual.
 
“I think it’s a choice; I do,” he replied. “Same-sex marriage, if someone chooses to do that, that’s them. And God’s going to judge each one of us in this room for our actions. And in that case right there, they’re going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions.”
 
“We should not give benefits to those civil unions,” James continued. “We have to stay strong on this. This is important, man. I’ll tell you what, we have a fiscal issue in this country, [but] we also have a moral issue in this country, and as Christians, we’ve got to stand up.”

And he made these comments LAST YEAR. Roll Eyes At least to me, they didn't seem offensive at all, but very well thought out.

With that being said - looks like the Lord is separating the wheat from the tares as we are likely approaching these last days. Thank you Jesus!
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New LGBT SODOMY Protection Law Criminalizing Believers?

More than 180 cities across the country have now passed LGBT laws that suppress the views of Christians.
 
Dubbed "nondiscrimination" by LGBT activists, the ordinances provide new protection for sexual minorities while also severely curtailing religious liberty.
 
So far, the laws have gone largely unnoticed. But a measure passed in San Antonio Sept. 5 has drawn national attention, both for its scope and for passing in this large, Hispanic-majority city traditionally known for its family values.
 
The ordinance forbids discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.
 
Although hundreds of believers across San Antonio attended a city council hearing to protest the ordinance; it passed easily with an 8-3 vote, backed by Mayor Julian Castro, a rising star in Democratic politics.
 
The Sunday after the vote, CBN News visited churches across the city where believers expressed shock over the vote and fear about what it would mean.
 
Believers Shocked
 
"The right for us to speak out and say, 'I disagree. It doesn't sound right.' Now we're labeled a hater, a bigot, homophobic," Jacob Herrera, with Faith Outreach Center International, explained.

"It criminalized what you thought about the LGBT community and I don't think that's right," Rosalie Astran, a fellow church member, said.
 
"My faith, my belief and how I've raised my family -- I can get in trouble for that because they don't agree with that," Leonard Pena, at Abundant Life, said.
 
Councilman Carlton Soules, one of the "no" votes, questioned the ordinance's supporters repeatedly during the public hearing. He later told CBN News he thought the measure was acted on too quickly.

"We didn't put the ordinance up on the website," he said. "It was fast-tracked through. Anytime we are going at light speed to do something that's unpopular that throws a lot of red flags."
 
Red Flags
 
For San Antonio's faith community there are several red flags. The ordinance criminalizes those with a biblical view of sexuality as it forbids bias against homosexuality or bi-sexuality.
 
Those charged and declared guilty by the city will face a Class C misdemeanor on their record and fines of up to $500 a day.
 
Also, the ordinance forbids appointed officials on city boards from showing any bias. 

Allan Parker, president of The Justice Foundation, a San-Antonio-based Christian legal non-profit, has worked to analyze and explain the ordinance for San Antonio's churches.
 
He said the ordinance is vague and unclear but he believes it can and will be used against Christians, especially those in the business world who disagree with unbiblical sexuality.
 
"The leverage of the city to pressure any business to caving in is enormous under this," he explained.
 
Even Councilman Soules is warning people of faith.
 
"I believe if you're a small business owner, operating within the city limits of San Antonio, or you're a business owner that wants to do business with the city, you need to tread carefully," he said.
 
Church Asleep at the Wheel
 
CBN News spoke with key church leaders who protested the ordinance. Until now, they say, the city's faith community has been asleep at the wheel. Case in point--less than 7 percent of registered voters turned out for May's city election.
 
"Politics in San Antonio has always been low-key and there have never been any troubles, so most people had quit voting," Pastor Steve Branson, with Village Parkway Baptist Church, explained.
 
After jump-starting opposition to the ordinance but failing to persuade the council, Branson and other pastors and their congregations are motivated to push back.
 
"We're starting to speak," Branson said. "I can guarantee you it won't be quiet anymore."
 
Haunting Comparisons
 
For African-American churches, there's outrage over gays equating their issue with civil rights.

"What we have is very cherished laws of anti-discrimination, hewn out of the heat of civil rights. These laws, everyone values. Now the activist, the homosexual, lesbian, gender-confused community has activists that they want to insert into those laws and then use them against people of faith," Pastor Charles Flowers, with Faith Outreach Center International, explained.

Pastor Eli Bonilla, with Abundant Life Church, said for Latino churches, overflowing with immigrants, the new ordinance is a haunting reminder of what they left behind in their native countries.
 
"We have some that are budding business people and all of sudden they feel themselves with the same angst that they felt when they came from their countries, where evangelicals have always been put on the side, on the periphery," he said.
 
"They tell me that that's the same gut feeling they get when they hear this ordinance," he said.
 
What Now, Pastor?
 
Abundant Life youth pastor Gabriel Colmenero said his high school students, many who lead Bible clubs in their public schools, are now unsure about what they can and cannot say.
 
"They are asking me, 'What do we do now, Brother Gabe?'" he said. "Well, we're going to start praying about that, how to teach them what to do, how to confront their friends who may be homosexual."
 
If LGBT laws can pass in cities like San Antonio, well-known for its churches and conservative values, there's concern that they can pass anywhere.
 
For many pastors in San Antonio, there's awareness that the spotlight is now on their city and that now is the time for them to speak out against the ordinance.
 
"I've had emails from 50 states," Branson said. "I've had people say we're praying for you --'please keep this up.'"
 
Those who oppose the ordinance may push for a city-wide referendum on it or a vote to recall council members that voted for it-or both. Lawsuits are also expected from both sides.
 
"If we don't fight this thing with everything we've got, our rights will be taken away and our mouths will be muzzled and that just can't happen, here in the land of the free,"  Herrera said.
 
What's not escaping Herrera and others is the fact that this battle is taking place in the city that still remembers the Alamo, a city known for fighting for its freedom against all odds.


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"If we don't fight this thing with everything we've got, our rights will be taken away and our mouths will be muzzled and that just can't happen, here in the land of the free,"  Herrera said.

It CAN and WILL happen in the world because the world hates Jesus, even if the reference to Jesus is through some churchianity group. It's easier for our enemy in the world to go after fake Christians and their false churches. As for real Christians, we are told by Jesus that this is NOT His kingdom, therefore His servants do not fight in this world. We are to step back and let the dogs feed on themselves if that is what they prefer versus facing the truth of the gospel.

I know for a fact they will lose that fight in the world. Jesus says so.
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Senate confirms Todd Hughes, 1st openly gay federal appeals court judge in US history - @tlrd
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Senate confirms Todd Hughes, 1st openly gay federal appeals court judge in US history - @tlrd

And he was confirmed 98-0 by the Senate...

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Sports Commentator Fired Over Past Remarks That Homosexuals Will ‘Answer to the Lord for Actions’

After only a week on the job, a former NFL star and ESPN commentator was fired from his new position at FOX Sports Southwest this week after video footage surfaced of comments he made last year expressing that homosexuals will have to “answer to the Lord for their actions.”
 
Craig James played for the New England Patriots in the 1980′s and later became a sportscaster for ESPN. In 2011, he decided to run for the U.S. Senate, and participated in a number of debates, including the 2012 event that recently cost him his job.
 
During the debate, Craig was asked about his views on homosexuality and same-sex “marriage.” As a Christian, he responded that he could not support unBiblical behavior, and neither should any other civil leader.
 
“I think that this country, our moral fiber is sliding down a slope that is going to be hard to stop if we don’t stand up–the leaders who don’t go ride in gay parades,” he said. “I can assure you, I will never ride in a gay parade. Our kids out there…People need to see examples. I’m a guy who believes in [the union of] a man and a woman, [and] the greatest government is occurring in a home at night between a husband and wife, Adam and Eve, and what the Bible says.”

Craig was then asked if he believes men and women choose to be homosexual.
 
“I think it’s a choice; I do,” he replied. “Same-sex marriage, if someone chooses to do that, that’s them. And God’s going to judge each one of us in this room for our actions. And in that case right there, they’re going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions.”
 
“We should not give benefits to those civil unions,” James continued. “We have to stay strong on this. This is important, man. I’ll tell you what, we have a fiscal issue in this country, [but] we also have a moral issue in this country, and as Christians, we’ve got to stand up.”

His response then drew applause from the crowd, but not so much when FOX officials saw the footage.
 
“We just asked ourselves how Craig’s statements would play in our human resources department,” an unnamed FOX representative told reporters. “He couldn’t say those things here.”
 
“Craig James will not be making any further appearances on FOX Sports Southwest’s football coverage this season,” they advised.

Reaction to James’ firing has largely been negative.
 
“How sad that these sports networks claiming they are about diversity and openness completely shun the conservative or Christian view. This is absolutely wrong and spits in the face of what you claim to be,” one commenter wrote. “[FOX is] not open-minded or accepting of other’s opinions or beliefs, which makes you the hypocrite. The sad thing is that many of Mr. James’ fellow announcers feel as he and the majority of America does, but are not brave enough to stand for what’s right for fear of retribution or losing their job as Craig did.”
 
“Shame on you FOX Sports,” they said. “God bless you, Mr. James. It’s good to see someone stand for their beliefs.”

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EXCLUSIVE -- Broadcaster Fired for Opposing Same-Sex Marriage Blasts Fox Sports for Religious Discrimination

In exclusive comment to Breitbart News, former ESPN and CBS broadcaster and former Southern Methodist University and NFL star tailback Craig James criticized former employer Fox Sports Southwest for its firing of him two weeks ago over his public stance on same-sex marriage.
 
“I was shocked that my personal religious beliefs were not only the reason for Fox Sports firing me but I was completely floored when I read stories quoting Fox Sports representatives essentially saying that people of faith are banned from working at Fox Sports,” James told Breitbart News. “That is not right and surely someone made a terrible mistake.”
 
James continued, “I have worked in broadcasting for twenty-four years and have always treated my colleagues with respect and dignity regardless of their background or personal beliefs. I believe it is essential in our business to maintain professional relationships with people from a diverse background and have tolerance for those of different beliefs. I have never discussed my faith while broadcasting and it has never been an issue until now.” James’s attorneys at Liberty Institute have sent a demand letter, given exclusively to Breitbart News, to Fox Sports. The letter is embedded below.
 
On August 30, 2013, FOX Sports Southwest announced that James would join its Fox College Saturday college football studio analysis team. James would be teamed with Erin Hartigan and former NFL quarterback Tony Banks on the Saturday postgame shows, as well as some segments of FOX Sports Southwest’s BIG 12 LIVE wrap-up. “We’re excited to add Craig to the FOX Sports Southwest team,” said Executive Producer Mike Anastassiou. “He’s a talented broadcaster who I’ve admired throughout his career. His knowledge of college football and the experience he brings as an analyst will be a tremendous asset to our coverage.” James was formally hired by FSSW general manager Jon Heidtke.
 
James’s first day on air was August 31. It went well. Nonetheless, on September 1, Heidtke called James to inform him that he had been fired. The reason, said Heidtke, was that somebody higher up in the chain of command had been made aware of James’s comments during his unsuccessful 2012 senate run about same-sex marriage.
 
In one of his primary debates in April 2012, James, along with the other candidates, was asked about same-sex marriage. After now-Senator Ted Cruz said that he opposed same-sex marriage, James expressed his opposition to same-sex marriage, and then discussed his religious perspective on same-sex activity: “People choose to be gay…I think it’s a choice. I do. Sam- sex marriage, if someone chooses to do that, that’s done. And God’s going to judge each one of us in this room for our actions. And in that case right there, they’re going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions.” James explicitly included himself and all other human beings as those judged by God. James’s positions on other social issues are similarly traditionally religious. On abortion, for example, James’s campaign website stated, “I believe that life is precious and must be protected—especially in the womb. Therefore, I am adamantly opposed to abortion.”

The Texas Republican Party platform is in adherence with James’s position. The Texas state constitution enshrines traditional marriage as the sole standard for marriage in the state of Texas; the constitutional amendment was passed in 2005 by a 76 percent to 24 percent margin.
 
Despite the fact that James’s comments represent a broad swath of the American public, and that his comments came well over a year ago, FSSW canned him over his views. Sports Illustrated’s Richard Deitsch reported the initial news of the firing with a statement from FSSW: “Craig James will not be making any further appearances on Fox Sports Southwest’s football coverage this season.” But just to make clear that James’s firing came as a result of his religious beliefs, a Fox spokesperson told the Dallas Morning News, “We just asked ourselves how Craig’s statements would play in our human resources department. He couldn’t say those things here.” FSSW pulled its original press release celebrating James’s signing as well.
 
This is not just a blatant case of religious discrimination in violation of law. It is not merely an example of yet another step in the media’s attempt to silence those of a traditional perspective on same-sex marriage. It is a story that traces up much higher in the national FOX Sports organization than the regional network. That next portion of the story will be reported in coming days.

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« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2013, 02:11:53 pm »

^^ Craig James was in the 2012 Senate GOP Primaries, pretty much, to largely help split the votes b/w the big pool of candidates, in order to help Ted Cruz to get elected. He only got like 5% or so, but nonetheless it was just enough to help split the votes.

Otherwise, I'm surprised he even ran b/c he belongs in the sports broadcasting booth.
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“We should not give benefits to those civil unions,” James continued. “We have to stay strong on this. This is important, man. I’ll tell you what, we have a fiscal issue in this country, [but] we also have a moral issue in this country, and as Christians, we’ve got to stand up.”

The reality is that a person cannot be intolerant of others in the world like the classic churchianity dogma he's projecting. His politician slip is showing. If he had just left it at he's opposed personally, but others are free to choose what they want for themselves, I don't think anything would have been said.

That whole, "...as Christians, we've got to stand up", nonsense is totally opposite to what Jesus is actually saying.

As frustrating as it is to see evil in this world around us, and reason seems to say that shouldn't be that way, we don't have a side in that fight. Jesus already told us that the world WOULD be this way, and that we cannot change it, and in fact, are exhorted not to mess with it when possible.

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The reality is that a person cannot be intolerant of others in the world like the classic churchianity dogma he's projecting. His politician slip is showing. If he had just left it at he's opposed personally, but others are free to choose what they want for themselves, I don't think anything would have been said.

That whole, "...as Christians, we've got to stand up", nonsense is totally opposite to what Jesus is actually saying.

As frustrating as it is to see evil in this world around us, and reason seems to say that shouldn't be that way, we don't have a side in that fight. Jesus already told us that the world WOULD be this way, and that we cannot change it, and in fact, are exhorted not to mess with it when possible.



Yeah, if anything, the STAND we take is for the WORD OF GOD.

Ephesians 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Eph 6:20  For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.


Jude 1:3  Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


Thought I would add a side note here - this is one of my gripes with the post-tribulation rapture view - a lot of people that promote this say how the pre-trib view is blinding Christians from taking a stand. My response is - blinding Christians from taking a stand against what? The Antichrist?(when prophecy says it's God that will unleash the Revelation/Daniel judgments)

Anyhow - didn't mean to sidetrack this thread with the above comment - but nonetheless especially in modern times, Churchianity has really been sidetracked over what we have to take a stand for/against. And what Craig James mentioned is one example.
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Mark 6:45  And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people.
Mar 6:46  And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
Mar 6:47  And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.
Mar 6:48  And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
Mar 6:49  But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:
Mar 6:50  For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
Mar 6:51  And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered.
Mar 6:52  For they considered not the [miracle] of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.
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California Lawmakers Consider Mandating ‘Gay Infertility’ Insurance

 Lawmakers in California are considering a bill that would mandate insurance companies, under criminal penalties, to offer coverage for infertility treatments for homosexuals.

AB 460 was recently proposed by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco, who notes that while insurance companies in the state currently cover infertility treatments for couples, some “are not complying with current law that prohibits discrimination.”

He says that some companies are denying coverage to homosexuals because they did not have “an opposite sex married partner in which to have one year of regular sexual relations without conception.” Current law requires that spouses try to conceive for one year, and may claim coverage if they remain barren after that time.

“Coverage for the treatment of infertility shall be offered and provided without discrimination on the basis of age, ancestry, color, disability, domestic partner status, gender, gender expression, gender identity, genetic information, marital status, national origin, race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation,” Ammiano’s proposed legislation declares.

However, some find the bill’s purpose confusing, as by nature homosexuals can not conceive with each other.

“The way the law works, gay and lesbian couples would simply have to testify that they have been having sex for a year without producing a child to be considered ‘infertile,’ which is [100% of the time], since baby-making requires necessary components missing in homosexual activity,” comments writer Ben Shapiro. “It doesn’t mean situations in which two gay men are both infertile and incapable of impregnating a surrogate mother. It means situations in which gay or lesbian couples can’t make a baby by having sex with each other. In other words, every single gay and lesbian couple on the planet.”

“But nature is irrelevant here,” he continues. “Even though both men and women were, to borrow Lady Gaga’s phrase, ‘born this way,’ political correctness trumps nature.”

Wesley Smith of NewsBusters was also perplexed by the legislation.

“This raises a cogent question: Could AB 460 be construed to require insurance companies to pay for infertility treatments for gay couples simply because their sexual unions cannot produce children?” he asked. “It would seem so. There is no requirement that actual infertility be diagnosed. Nor is there a requirement that the gay ‘infertile’ patient seeking coverage for treatment have tried and failed to conceive or sire a child through any heterosexual means, whether natural or artificial. Moreover, the bill would still define infertility as engaging in sexual intimacy without conceiving for one year, regardless of whether the relations were heterosexual or homosexual.”

Carlos Alcala, spokeperson for Assemblyman Ammiano clarified the bill’s intent.

“Anything that is covered by an insurance plan must be covered for everyone,” he said. “If a plan covers egg donation costs for a heterosexual couple unable to conceive without it, it would have to cover those costs for a gay male couple as well.”

If the bill passes, failure to provide coverage to homosexuals for infertility treatments would result in criminal penalties.

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California Governor Signs Law Mandating ‘Gay Infertility’ Insurance Coverage

The governor of California has signed into law a bill that mandates insurance companies in the state to provide coverage for infertility treatments for homosexuals.

As previously reported, AB 460 was proposed this past spring by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco, whose partner died of AIDS in 1994. He asserts that some insurance companies are discriminating by denying coverage to homosexuals because they did not have “an opposite sex married partner in which to have one year of regular sexual relations without conception.”

Current law requires that spouses try to conceive for one year, and may claim coverage if they remain barren after that time.

“Reproductive medicine is for everybody’s benefit,” Ammiano wrote in a statement following the signing of the bill this month by Governor Jerry Brown. “To restrict fertility coverage solely to heterosexual married couples violates California’s non-discrimination laws. I wrote this bill to correct that.”

“Coverage for the treatment of infertility shall be offered and provided without discrimination on the basis of age, ancestry, color, disability, domestic partner status, gender, gender expression, gender identity, genetic information, marital status, national origin, race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation,” the new law states.

It does, however, seek to protect religious insurance companies from being mandated to violate their conscience.

“[This bill] shall not be construed to require any plan, which is a subsidiary of an entity whose owner or corporate member is a religious organization, to offer coverage for treatment of infertility in a manner inconsistent with that religious organization’s religious and ethical principles,” the legislation provides.

Carlos Alcala, spokeperson for Assemblyman Ammiano clarified the bill’s intent.

“Anything that is covered by an insurance plan must be covered for everyone,” he said. “If a plan covers egg donation costs for a heterosexual couple unable to conceive without it, it would have to cover those costs for a gay male couple as well.”

The law covers artificial insemination, but excludes in vitro fertilization.

“We have the right to marry now and this is further support for us to be able to create families,” Judy Appel of the homosexual advocacy group Our Family Coalition told the Associated Press.

But some have been perplexed by the legislation as by nature those of the same gender cannot conceive with each other.

you are not kidding

“The way the law works, gay and lesbian couples would simply have to testify that they have been having sex for a year without producing a child to be considered ‘infertile,’ which is [100% of the time], since baby-making requires necessary components missing in homosexual activity,” comments writer Ben Shapiro.

“It doesn’t mean situations in which two gay men are both infertile and incapable of impregnating a surrogate mother,” he continued. “It means situations in which gay or lesbian couples can’t make a baby by having sex with each other. In other words, every single gay and lesbian couple on the planet.”

“Biologically, homosexuals cannot produce children, so politics cannot trump biology,” Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality told OneNewsNow. “[T]o force insurance companies to provide infertility treatment benefits to homosexual couples is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.”


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Homosexual activists at the church door

Homosexual activism in America may have started as a movement for toleration. In recent years, however, it seems to have developed into an intolerant campaign to force complete acceptance of a lifestyle many regard as immoral behavior.

Most historians trace the homosexual rights movement's beginnings to what is known as the Stonewall Riots that began June 28, 1969, in New York City.

According to the History Channel website, "Just after 3 a.m., a police raid of the Stonewall Inn -- a gay club located on New York City's Christopher Street -- turns violent as patrons and local sympathizers begin rioting against the police.

"Although the police were legally justified in raiding the club, which was serving liquor without a license among other violations, New York's gay community had grown weary of the police department targeting gay clubs, a majority of which had already been closed.

"The crowd on the street watched quietly as Stonewall's employees were arrested," the History Channel report continued, "but when three drag queens and a lesbian were forced into the paddy wagon, the crowd began throwing bottles at the police....

"The so-called Stonewall Riot was followed by several days of demonstrations in New York and was the impetus for the formation of the Gay Liberation Front as well as other gay, lesbian, and bisexual civil rights organizations. It is also regarded by many as history's first major protest on behalf of equal rights for homosexuals."

The early stages of the homosexual rights movement seemed content with securing a live-and-let-live attitude, if you will, toward those who pursued a homosexual lifestyle.

With success comes the desire for more success, and eventually homosexual activists sought and gained anti-discrimination employment policies on a variety of government and corporate levels the decriminalization of homosexual acts and hate crimes legislation that included the designation of homosexuality as a specially protected group.

No longer content just to be tolerated, homosexual activists sought to have their lifestyle regarded as equal to heterosexual relationships by pushing for homosexual marriage. The movement that began out of a desire to be tolerated morphed into a crusade to be celebrated as natural, normal and healthy.

One segment of society that stands in the way of the homosexual activists' ultimate goal is conservative Christians. In order to have complete cultural confirmation, conservative churches will have to be dealt with.

With the U.S. Supreme Court ruling striking down the Defense of Marriage Act this summer, expect homosexual activists to take the issue of homosexual matrimony directly to conservative churches.

Months before the Supreme Court's DOMA ruling, one homosexual couple took on a religious group concerning homosexual nuptials and won.

A lesbian couple approached the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association (OGCMA) in the New Jersey seaside community of Ocean Grove about renting the Christian group's beachfront boardwalk pavilion for their civil union ceremony.

OGCMA was founded in 1869 as a ministry to provide opportunities for spiritual birth, growth and renewal in a Christian seaside setting. The group has a loose affiliation with the United Methodist Church.

OGCMA denied the couple's request, saying homosexual unions went against the group's beliefs. The couple sued and in January 2012 a New Jersey state administrative law judge ruled the Christian group had no grounds for denying the couple's request and had discriminated against them.

The judge said the OGCMA pavilion had been previously open to the public for a variety of community events, thus it had been established as a venue of public accommodation. The only denial, other than for scheduling conflicts, had been to the lesbian couple.

Furthermore, the judge pointed out that OGCMA received a state tax exemption with the understanding the Christian group's property was to be "open for public use on an equal basis." Since the association did not allow a lesbian wedding, it violated the terms of the agreement.

"When you open your doors to the public, you can't treat same-sex couples differently," said Jeanne LoCicero, American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey deputy legal director, according to a report on the ACLU-NJ website.

What does the ruling against the Ocean Grove camp mean for conservative religious organizations in America?

Many churches, if not most, allow the public to utilize facilities for weddings and other occasions. Some are even used as polling places for elections. Additionally, churches have long been granted a tax exemption by the government, originally to keep the state completely out of the churches' business.

Like OGCMA, many churches could be deemed places of public accommodation. Add to this the liberal interpretation that the U.S Constitution's First Amendment was designed to keep the church out of the public square (a means by which the government can restrict the church) and I expect homosexual activists will seek to force conservative churches to provide space wherein they can celebrate their lifestyles via same-sex weddings -- a lifestyle which many Christians are convinced is both biblically and biologically aberrant.

It seems the only recourse for conservative churches will be to close their doors to any and all public access. Either that, or be faced with expensive lawsuits or perhaps even the loss of a tax exemption which was once designed to protect religious organizations from the state.

The homosexual rights movement was born out of a desire to be tolerated. Through the years it seems to have morphed into a crusade bent on forcing all of society, even conservative churches, to accept and celebrate homosexuality as natural, normal and healthy.

The irony would be amusing if the threat to religious liberty weren't so serious.

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Many churches, if not most, allow the public to utilize facilities for weddings and other occasions. Some are even used as polling places for elections. Additionally, churches have long been granted a tax exemption by the government, originally to keep the state completely out of the churches' business.

In the first place, these 501c3 churches get tax benefits for doing weddings, funerals, baptisms, baby dedications, etc. Dunno about allowing them for polling places(although it wouldn't surprise me). So it wouldn't surprise me when all is said and done, they'll allow sodomy activities b/c of just that.

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Or how about for starters, go back to the King James Bible - these other perversions like the NIV and others from these "bible societies" have feminized God's word almost completely. So I don't see how 99% of these churches are "conservative" to begin with.
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A "church group" locally should be a closed society to the world anyway. Believers are not suppose to be interacting with the world like that. They should be treated more like a private club, where only members(born-again believers) are able to use the group's services. There never should have been any public access (friendship with the world), other than to inquire about repenting and believing the gospel.
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Homosexual Student Suspended for Ripping Pages of Leviticus Out of Bible in Class

A homosexual student in Texas was suspended last week for ripping pages of Leviticus out of his Bible during his Spanish class.

Isaiah Smith is an 18-year-old senior at Birdville High School in North Richland Hills. Last week, he brought his Bible to his first period Spanish class to refute his fellow classmates who state that homosexuality is a sin, or violation of the law of God. Smith identifies as a Christian, but asserts that his homosexuality does not conflict with his faith.

“At my high school, some kids like to say that being gay is a sin and that you can’t be gay and Christian,” Smith told the Star-Telegram. “I wanted to bring my Bible to school and interpret the books of Leviticus and Romans because they are often used to bully gay people.”

He stated that as students again contended last Monday that he would go Hell for violating God’s law, he began tearing pages out of the Book of Leviticus and other portions of Scripture.

However, Smith was then reprimanded by Vice Principal Glenn Serviente, who arrived at the classroom and instructed Smith to follow him to his office. Smith told reporters that Serviente advised that he was causing a disruption to the learning environment by tearing up his Bible in class.  He states that he was told by Serviente that he could carry his Bible in school if he wished, but he could not rip pages out of it.

Two days later, Smith was called back to the vice principal’s office.

“How would Muslims feel if a student was tearing up the Quran?” Serviente asked, according to reports.

Smith responded that he understood that other students would not like it, but noted that he was not tearing up another person’s Bible, but rather his own.

He was then suspended from school for three days and his torn Bible was confiscated.

However, now Smith has retained legal assistance from the Washington-based American Humanist Association (AHA), which is demanding that the strike be expunged from Smith’s record.

“Isaiah’s Bible was not the source of disruption, the bullying was,” AHA attorney Bill Burgess told reporters. “Instead of reprimanding the bullies, the school punished Isaiah for offering an alternative viewpoint on the Bible.”

Burgess contends that the school violated Smith’s violated Smith’s First Amendment rights to free speech, and may sue the school district if it declines to comport with the organization’s demands. AHA sent a letter to district following the incident, requesting compliance “lest [Birdville ISD] face legal action.”

But district spokesman Mark Thomas told the Dallas Observer that the suspension is not about the Bible, but rather Smith’s behavior.

“[A]ny recurring incident that disrupts the learning process is dealt with according to policy and appropriate disciplinary action is taken according to that policy,” he said.

http://christiannews.net/2013/11/05/homosexual-student-suspended-for-ripping-pages-of-leviticus-out-of-bible-in-class/
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« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2013, 05:56:52 pm »

Well, hopefully he uses his suspension time to repent.
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« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2013, 06:06:38 pm »

Well, hopefully he uses his suspension time to repent.

I dont know, he doesnt seem to like the word of God to much
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« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2013, 03:59:42 am »

Uh, it's obvious he hates the truth. That demon inside him has him trying to destroy the Word. And it's obvious the kid has been coached by gay activists...

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“At my high school, some kids like to say that being gay is a sin and that you can’t be gay and Christian,” Smith told the Star-Telegram. “I wanted to bring my Bible to school and interpret the books of Leviticus and Romans because they are often used to bully gay people.

Now just where does an 18 year old kid get that kind of idea? Who says those books are used for "bullying"? Clearly this kid has been brainwashed by wickedness.
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« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2013, 10:45:04 pm »

Personally, this is one of those "be ye angry and sin not moments" for me - the Op-Ed columnist is Ari Fleischer, a former George W. Bush White House Press Secretary - pretty much, the puppet-masters behind Reagan/Bushes manipulated Churchianity(and professing conservatives for that matter too), and got them to quietly push some major globalist agendas(including eugenics and sodomy). Ultimately, it was b/c of 20 years of Churchianity and professing conservatives standing down to Reagan/Bushes we have Obama in office now.

And they're at it again...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/house-enda-opinion-ari-fleischer-99546.html
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Why the House must pass ENDA

On Thursday, the U.S. Senate passed legislation to protect gay employees from job discrimination with an overwhelming bipartisan vote. Republicans should support these protections, and I hope the GOP leadership in the House schedules the bill for a vote. It’s the morally right thing to do. No one should lose their job, or not get hired, because of their sexual orientation.

Allowing people to be successful in their workplaces is an essential piece of individual opportunity and liberty. Working for a living is one of America’s freedoms. It’s a virtue to be encouraged — and supporting it is important to the future of the Republican Party. In an era in which the government often punishes hard work and individual success, this bill encourages it.

At its core, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act is about individual liberty. All employees should be treated the same and be judged on their job performance. No one should receive special treatment, and no one should be fired because of their sexual orientation.

Since the 1960s, Congress has passed laws ensuring that employers can’t discriminate on the basis of race, religion or gender — personal characteristics that have nothing to do with how well someone does his or her job. These laws are widely accepted throughout our society. Who among us today would say an employer should have the right to fire someone because of their faith or the color of their skin? The same sense of fairness and respect should apply to the hundreds of thousands of qualified, hardworking Americans covered by ENDA.

After all, everyone has a right to earn a living — including gay, lesbian and transgender Americans.

I’m not the only one who feels this way.

According to a national poll done in September by GOP pollster Alex Lundry on behalf of Project Right Side, a strong majority of Americans (68 percent) said they favored a federal ENDA. Among Republicans, 56 percent nationwide supported the law, while only 32 percent opposed it. Additional statewide polling conducted by conservative pollster Jan van Lohuizen in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Ohio and New Hampshire confirmed those findings.

It’s a little sad that these questions even need to get put to a poll, but old ways of thinking sometimes take time to change. The time for this change has arrived. In fact, many in the business community, recognizing the importance of a qualified, skilled workforce, are well ahead of the federal government.

Having been in the private sector since the end of the George W. Bush presidency, I’m not surprised. A large majority of Fortune 500 companies already have nondiscrimination policies on their books. And corporate titans like PepsiCo, Pfizer, Marriott, Alcoa, Bank of America and Nike publicly back the bill.

Now is time for the government to catch up so that nondiscrimination laws protect workers at all companies, not just some.

The reason there is Republican and business support for ENDA is simple: It’s reasonable. The bill respects many different viewpoints, allowing exemptions for religious organizations, for example.

I would oppose the bill if I thought it was written to encourage lawsuits that have more to do with enriching attorneys and less to do with fighting discrimination. But there is no evidence to suggest that would be the case, based on the experience of the states and municipalities that have already adopted ENDA-like policies and the growing number of businesses that have done the same. If Fortune 500 companies were concerned about lawsuits, they wouldn’t be tackling discrimination on their own.

Politically, it’s about time for the GOP to do the right thing while acting in a more inclusive and welcoming manner. Republicans need to expand our appeal and earn the support of millennials. The younger generation of Americans views gay rights differently than our parents’ generation, and as was noted in an assessment of the Republican Party I co-authored following the 2012 elections, issues like this are gateways into whether young people see the GOP as a party worthy of support.

Ten Senate Republicans voted in support of ENDA: Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Susan Collins of Maine, Jeff Flake of Arizizona, Dean Heller of Nevada, Mark Kirk of Illinois, John McCain of Arizona, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rob Portman of Ohio, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Orrin Hatch of Utah, who said that ENDA “prohibits discrimination that should not occur in the workplace,” while it also “protects the rights of religious entities and minimizes legal burdens on employers.” In the House, only five Republicans are co-sponsors.

Other members of the House GOP caucus are, rightly, studying the issue and hearing from their constituents as the bill moves to the lower chamber. I hope they do the right thing by voting for ENDA.

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Malachi 2:17  Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
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