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« Reply #330 on: April 14, 2013, 10:04:55 pm »

^^ Not to side-track this thread, but since 2010, a few states have passed stricted anti-abortion laws. Last I checked, the so-called "GOP" has governors in about 30 states.

Pt being that personally, I find it rather fishy that they've waited until 2010(when Obama, of all people, got into office) to start realizing something needs to be done about abortion, gun rights, and pretty much every pro-citizen/pro-family issue out there. Yeah, for George W. Bush's 8 years, these same "groups" did next-to-nothing(including saying nada when 2 pro-Roe V Wade justices, John Roberts and Samuel Alito, were appointed to the high court). And not to mention too they largely focused on Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky when Clinton was President.

As for the gay marriage issue - from what I understand, DOMA will be struck down, and CA's Prop 8 will be struck down, but likely no broad gay marriage legalization will be ruled. Ultimately, it's going to create a big mess for the country b/c for example, if a gay married couple in California is asked to relocate(ie-for employment reasons) to an anti-gay marriage state like Oklahoma, while they can file MFJ on their federal returns, it's going to create confusion for everyone involved in OK as they have to file MJS or SINGLE EACH for state returns, and a whole new can of worms will be opened up as more cases pop up over other states(ie-NY and CT allow gay marriage too).

Anyhow, didn't mean to ramble here, but as you can see, whoever's behind all of this(ie-likely the Jesuits), they couldn't have timed it any better in terms of stirring up all of these agendas on both sides only recently, and having all of the pieces in play and ripe for Civil War.
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« Reply #331 on: April 15, 2013, 10:27:35 am »

First Obamacare, then the recent gay marriage cases(no, they ruled on it yet, but they've hinted they would favor the gay rights groups at least to some extent), and now this...the USSC is finally showing their true fangs now.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-15/new-york-gun-limits-intact-as-high-court-rejects-appeal.html?cmpid=yhoo
4/15/13
New York Gun Limits Intact as High Court Rejects Appeal

The U.S. Supreme Court dealt a rebuff to gun-rights advocates including the National Rifle Association, leaving intact New York’s requirement that people wishing to carry a handgun in public show a special need for protection.

Refusing for now to be drawn into the fractious nationwide debate over firearms, the justices today let stand a federal appeals court decision that said the century-old New York law didn’t infringe the Constitution’s Second Amendment. The court made no comment, turning away an appeal by five New York residents and a gun-rights group as part of a list of orders released in Washington.

High court review of the New York case would have threatened public-possession restrictions in as many as 10 states. Lower courts are divided on the measures, making it likely the Supreme Court will consider the issue at a later point.

“It is only a matter of time before the justices hear a case about public possession of guns,” said Adam Winkler, a professor at the University of California at Los Angeles School of Law and the author of a book on the history of the gun-rights battle.

In upholding New York’s law, which requires applicants to show “proper cause” to get a permit to carry a weapon, a federal appeals court pointed to what it called “a longstanding tradition of states regulating firearm possession and use in public because of the dangers posed to public safety.”

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The measure was challenged by five residents of New York’s Westchester County and the Second Amendment Foundation, a gun- rights group based in Bellevue, Washington. The National Rifle Association and 20 states backed the appeal.

The state “treats the carrying of handguns for self- defense not as a right but as an administrative privilege lying beyond the reach of most people,” the residents, led by Alan Kachalsky, argued in court papers.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman countered that the state’s law “is similar to the types of longstanding laws that courts have repeatedly upheld.”

In 1981, just three states -- Maine, Washington and Vermont -- let typical residents carry firearms in public without giving a reason. Today, about 40 states do.

Divided Courts
Federal appeals courts are divided on the remaining laws that restrict public possession. A different court struck down an Illinois law that barred most people from carrying a loaded weapon in public, saying it violated the Constitution’s Second Amendment.

A third federal appeals court last month upheld a Maryland law that requires “good and substantial reason” for having a handgun in public. A fourth case, involving a New Jersey law, is now before yet another appeals court.

Those cases may eventually be appealed to the Supreme Court.

The legal disagreement stems from ambiguities in the 2008 Supreme Court decision that, for the first time, said the Constitution protects an individual right to bear arms. That ruling focused on gun rights in the home, striking down a District of Columbia handgun ban. A follow-up case in 2010 also involved in-home possession.

Greater Power
In the New York case, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that, while the Second Amendment applies in public, the government has greater power to impose restrictions there.

Outside the home, “public safety interests often outweigh individual interests in self-defense,” the three-judge panel said.

The December shooting at Newtown, Connecticut, which killed 20 children and six adults, unleashed a flurry of legislative activity around the country, often dividing lawmakers along partisan lines.

New restrictions on guns have passed in New York, Connecticut, Colorado and Maryland, all of which are led by Democrats. More states have moved in the opposite direction: Six relaxed restrictions, including those on carrying guns into churches, schools or workplace parking lots.

The Senate is considering legislation that would expand the number of people subject to background checks when they buy a firearm.

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« Reply #332 on: April 15, 2013, 11:27:45 am »

http://news.yahoo.com/yorks-assault-weapon-registration-begin-070029231.html
New York's 'assault weapon' registration to begin
4/15/13

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Key measures of New York's tough new gun law are set to kick in, with owners of guns now reclassified as assault weapons required to register the firearms and new limits on the number of bullets allowed in magazines.

As the new provisions take effect Monday, New York's affiliate of the National Rifle Association said it plans to head to court to seek an immediate halt to the magazine limit.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo calls those and other provisions in the state's new gun law common sense while dismissing criticisms he says come from "extreme fringe conservatives" who claim the government has no right to regulate guns.

"Yes, they are against it, but they are the extremists and the extremists shouldn't win, especially on this issue when it is so important to the majority," Cuomo said in a radio interview Wednesday. "In politics, we have to be willing to take on the extremists, otherwise you will see paralysis."

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« Reply #333 on: April 15, 2013, 01:16:52 pm »

Let the Propaganda Roll...

http://news.yahoo.com/john-kerry-foreign-students-scared-study-abroad-u-154814080.html
John Kerry: Foreign Students ‘Scared’ to Study Abroad in U.S. Because of Gun Violence
4/15/13

US Secretary of State John Kerry delivers remarks to US Foreign Service workers during a 'meet and greet' visit to the US Embassy in Tokyo on April 15, 2013. (Photo: AFP/Getty Images)

Secretary of State John Kerry told CNN Monday that foreign students are increasingly "scared" of studying abroad in the United States because of gun violence.

America's top diplomat has been in Asia to confront North Korea's increasing aggression but, speaking from Tokyo, he pivoted to American politics.

In "quiet conversations" with officials, Kerry said he has discussed "how safe it is over here in this country [Japan], where people are not running around with guns."

He continued: "We had an interesting discussion about why fewer students are coming to -- particularly from Japan -- to study in the United States, and one of the responses I got from our officials, from conversations with parents here, is that they're actually scared."

"They think they're not safe in the United States, and so they don't come."

The number of Japanese foreign exchange students did indeed drop 14% from 2010 to 2011, according to the Institute of International Education, but Kerry might be attempting to lend international credibility to his party's recent push for stricter gun control in saying "people running around with guns" is the reason.

Fewer Japanese students are studying abroad everywhere, not just the United States, and experts think Japan's low birthrate coupled with the faltering economy are more likely causes, CNN adds.
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« Reply #334 on: April 15, 2013, 05:01:59 pm »

They think it's not safe because they have been told it's not. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #335 on: April 16, 2013, 06:20:41 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-dems-push-wide-ranging-gun-control-bills-182538505.html
Calif. Dems push wide-ranging gun control bills
4/16/13

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers took their first step toward moving a gun control legislative package Tuesday, following similar tough firearm and ammunition restrictions enacted in several other states in the wake of recent shooting rampages.

As dozens of supporters and opponents packed the committee room, Democrats in the state Senate began to use their majority to advance a group of seven bills that would further tighten California's strict gun laws.

One of the proposals would prohibit the sale of any semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable ammunition magazines, prompting activists on both sides of the debate to say the plan goes beyond bans in other states.

"We simply can't wait until the next tragedy before taking action," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told the Senate Public Safety Committee.

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« Reply #336 on: April 17, 2013, 04:00:37 am »

Here's a different angle on this story...

How strange that the guy who runs the company Cerberus (which I personally believe may be a government front company), who owns Bushmaster, his father lives in Newtown. What are the odds?

The other point that keeps coming to mind is that this Cerberus company is playing a part in an effort to gain control of the firearms market to manipulate sales, etc., which could theoretically lead to a company being closed down due to some kind of "performance" problems, like say, nobody wants to buy the company...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/17/us-freedom-group-idUSBRE93G01620130417

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Exclusive: Cerberus founder explores bid for Bushmaster gunmaker

By Olivia Oran, Greg Roumeliotis and Martinne Geller
Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:43am EDT

(Reuters) - Private equity mogul Stephen Feinberg may bid for the Bushmaster rifle maker that his firm Cerberus Capital Management LP put up for sale after one of its guns was used in a Connecticut school shooting, three sources familiar with the situation said.

Feinberg, along with other senior Cerberus partners, is putting together a consortium to make a "stalking horse" offer designed to spur competition for Freedom Group, which makes the Bushmaster rifle, the sources said on Tuesday.

Cerberus is under pressure from the public as well as investors in its funds to sell Freedom Group following the massacre that took place in December in Newtown, Connecticut.

A bid by Feinberg for a company that his own firm owns would be a rare move in the private equity industry. The move raises potential conflict of interest issues, as it could pit the founder's interest against those of the investors in Cerberus funds, known as limited partners. It may also indicate Cerberus may be having problems in selling the company. Banking sources have said that major Wall Street firms have been unwilling to finance a bid for Freedom Group.

Feinberg has approached other wealthy individuals to join him in the bid, the sources said, who declined to be identified because the auction is private. He has not made a bid and may yet decide against it, they said.

Cerberus declined to comment and declined to make Feinberg available for an interview, while representatives of Freedom Group could not be reached for comment.

Freedom Group's AR-15 type Bushmaster rifle was used in the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, which left 20 children and six adults dead.

University of California is among Cerberus investors that have been putting pressure on the private equity firm to quickly sell Freedom Group.

"We do not want to have investments in companies that sell, manufacturer or distribute firearms," spokeswoman Dianne Klein said in an email on Tuesday. The university has a $1 million indirect investment in Bushmaster through a Cerberus private equity fund.

Cerberus' fund investors also include some of the largest U.S. public pension funds. CalSTRS, the California State Teachers' Retirement System, said in December it was reviewing its investment with Cerberus in the wake of the shooting. CalSTRS could not immediately be reached for comment.

Soon after the shootings, Cerberus said it would look for a buyer and hired investment bank Lazard Ltd to help sell the business.

Lazard declined to comment.

The stocks of publicly traded gunmakers such as Smith & Wesson Holding Corp and Sturm Ruger & Co, which fell after the shooting, have since recovered.

Proposed gun control legislation in U.S. Congress since the shootings has made only modest progress and has been heavily watered down.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST

One of the sources familiar with the auction said Cerberus is planning to prevent conflicts of interests through measures including setting up an independent committee of Freedom Group's board of directors as well as a special shareholders committee.

Under the plan, the independent board committee would include former generals and industry experts, while the shareholders committee would include investors in Cerberus' funds whose capital was committed for the Freedom Group investment, the source said.

These two committees would then negotiate with Feinberg's consortium and decide on the eventual sale, the source said.

Cerberus has also designed other measures to make sure the auction is fair if Feinberg decides to bid, the source said. If another buyer bids 10 percent or more above the stalking horse bid, Feinberg would be forced to drop out of the auction, the source said.

There also would not be any break-up fee or other expenses paid by the company if Feinberg's bid is topped by another party, the source added.

Feinberg and other senior Cerberus partners plan to invest their own money as well as roll over any existing stakes in the company to fund the bid, the source said.

Under the bid being contemplated, Feinberg plans to be a minority investor, but he and his Cerberus partners could end up controlling the company, the source added.

Cerberus bought firearms maker Bushmaster in 2006 and later merged it with other gun companies to create Freedom Group. The company's sales rose about 20 percent to $931.9 million in 2012.

Feinberg worked at investment banks Drexel Burnham Lambert and Gruntal & Co before co-founding Cerberus in 1992 along with William Richter. Cerberus has more than $20 billion under management.

Feinberg's father, Martin Feinberg, is a resident of Newtown, public records showed last year.

(Additional reporting by Peter Henderson in San Francisco; Editing by Soyoung Kim, Paritosh Bansal, Chris Gallagher and Ryan Woo)

Not only do I smell a rat, this looks like rat droppings!
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« Reply #337 on: April 17, 2013, 02:09:19 pm »

Yeah, I know this comes from none other than a Hollywood celeb, but nonetheless I had a feeling that somehow gun control would get thrown in with this "crisis"...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/actor-blames-boston-attack-on-gun-culture-2nd-amendment-must-go/
4/16/13
Actor blames Boston attack on gun culture: ’2nd amendment must go’

Actor and comedian Jay Mohr waded into the gun debate on Twitter after Monday’s deadly terrorist attacks at the Boston Marathon.

“What bothers me most about today is that we’re getting used 2 it. ENOUGH. 2nd amendment must go. Violence has 2 stop. Culture MUST change,” the Jerry Maguire actor tweeted Monday night.
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« Reply #338 on: April 17, 2013, 03:16:22 pm »

Well, idiot or not, he's right in that for the violence to stop, culture must change. What he doesn't realize is that culture won't change. Man cannot do it. Being corrupted, man is programmed to fail, and ultimately it is evil that drives culture in the world, and that won't change till Jesus Himself changes it in the end.

3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
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« Reply #339 on: April 17, 2013, 03:37:11 pm »

US Senate rejects gun background checks amendment on 54-46 vote; 60 votes needed for passage - @rollcallpols

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« Reply #340 on: April 17, 2013, 03:43:41 pm »

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« Reply #341 on: April 17, 2013, 04:04:36 pm »

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill
Sens. Grassley and Cruz roll out alternative gun control bill
04/17/13 12:27 PM ET

The announcement comes on a day when the Senate appears likely to block further debate on a bipartisan background checks bill.

“Rather than restricting the rights of law-abiding Americans, we should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals, which this legislation accomplishes,” Cruz said. “While the Obama Administration continues to politicize a terrible tragedy to push its anti-gun agenda, I am proud to stand beside my fellow senators to present common-sense measures that will increase criminal prosecutions of felons who try to buy guns, criminalize straw purchasing and gun trafficking, and address mental health issues.”
 
Grassley and Cruz, along with Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dan Coats (R-Ind.) introduced the bill at a press conference Wednesday morning, just hours before the Senate will vote on it and other gun control measures.

One of the primary criticisms Republicans had before a vote to move forward on a background checks bill last week was that they didn’t have time to read it before the vote.
 
Cruz said that despite the late hour, his legislation has 20 co-sponsors and had been circulated among Republicans and Democrats with no negative feedback. He predicted that despite the small window before the vote, the bill would garner bipartisan support.

The bill would increase the resources available to prosecutors for violators of gun laws, and creates a “Cruz Task Force” to prosecute those who fail criminal background checks. The task force is funded through an Asset Forfeiture Fund.
 
The bill criminalizes straw purchasing and trafficking, measures Grassley supported in committee hearings on the gun control bill that will go before the Senate later this month. It also seeks to increase safety at schools, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and increases accountability for prosecutions at the executive level by requiring the Department of Justice to submit reports to Congress.
 
The senators were particularly critical of the Obama administration’s record of prosecuting background check violations, saying it only took up a small portion of such cases.
 
The bill does not expand background checks, but rather “focuses on making the backgrounds system work better…by encouraging states to report mental health records,” Cruz said.

The National Rifle Association said it supports the bill.

The bill includes provisions making it easier to purchase and transport firearms across state lines.

The bill would allow for the interstate sale of firearms, and for the interstate transportation of firearms providing certain conditions are met. Guns transported across state lines will have to be unloaded, locked in a vehicle or kept in the trunk.

Another pro-gun provision of the bill will allow military members to buy guns in the states where they’re stationed.
 
Grassley said the bill was the result of “the combined efforts of many members of the Senate,” and called it “a sensible alternative” to Democratic gun control reform efforts that “addresses problems we’ve seen without burdening law abiding citizens.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill#ixzz2Qky9z4DA
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« Reply #342 on: April 17, 2013, 04:05:36 pm »

Uh, Ted...everything you said DOES push a gun control bill. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #343 on: April 17, 2013, 04:19:47 pm »

Senate rejects GOP substitute bill on gun control reforms with 52-48 vote - @thehill
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More: Senate rejects assault weapons ban on 40-60 vote - @thehill

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http://www.cruz.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=341424

Grassley, Cruz Introduce Comprehensive Legislation That Targets Violent Criminals, Safeguards Second Amendment 
Wednesday, April 17, 2013

WASHINGTON, DC – Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) are introducing an alternative amendment to gun legislation pending on the Senate floor. Their “Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act” would preserve the Second Amendment while providing important fixes to existing law.

The Grassley-Cruz proposal would reauthorize and improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), increase resources for prosecutions of gun crime, address mental illness in the criminal justice system, and strengthen criminal law by including straw purchasing and illegal firearm trafficking statutes.

“When people study our amendment, they’ll see a sensible alternative that was developed from the ground up. It’s got wide-ranging, broad-based support and takes a responsible approach to fixing problems with the current background check system,” Grassley said. “We’ve put together an amendment that can effectively address some of the problems we’ve seen while protecting Second Amendment rights. I’ve been very interested in the mental health aspect of this debate, so we include provisions to study and address that issue. My oversight of Operation Fast and Furious highlighted some serious flaws within the gun trafficking and straw purchasing area, and Senator Cruz has done an exceptionally good job of helping develop that portion of our alternative. In addition, we both understand the importance of ensuring that Second Amendment protections are in place for veterans, along with every other American.”

“I am glad to work with Sen. Grassley on this important amendment, which presents a reasonable alternative to the current legislation being considered while placing top priority on preserving Americans’ inalienable right to bear arms,” Sen. Cruz said. “Rather than restricting the rights of law-abiding Americans, we should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals, which this legislation accomplishes. While the Obama Administration continues to politicize a terrible tragedy to push its anti-gun agenda, I am proud to stand beside my fellow senators to present common-sense measures that will increase criminal prosecutions of felons who try to buy guns, criminalize straw purchasing and gun trafficking, and address mental health issues.”

Sponsors of the Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act of 2013 include Senators Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, John Thune of South Dakota, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, John Hoeven of North Dakota, Orrin Hatch of Utah, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Dan Coats of Indiana, John Cornyn of Texas, Pat Roberts of Kansas, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, James Risch of Idaho, Marco Rubio of Florida, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, John Boozman of Arkansas, Mike Johanns of Nebraska, Rob Portman of Ohio, and Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

This legislation will:
Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;
• Require federal courts to submit relevant information to NICS;
• Ensure that relevant mental health records are submitted by states to NICS;
• Condition federal grant money for states on their submission of mental health records to NICS
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• Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high level federal taskforce;
• Study of the causes of mass shootings;
• Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;
• Second Amendment Protections for Veterans;
Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;
• Place Limitations on Fast & Furious type operations by DOJ;
• Authorize FFL’s to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees;
• Authorize FFL’s to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition;
Reauthorize the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act (MIOTCRA) with amendments;
• Address school safety by Reauthorizes the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Secure our Schools Program through 2023.
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• Condition federal grant money for states on their submission of mental health records to NICS;

Not going to fly. That's basically bribery. Conditional grant money to the states, based on if the state plays ball? The federal government has no money, so where's the threat?

The problem they are having is that gun rights are a states rights issue that the feds have no right to interfere with.

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Really? So they want to limit how many guns the government runs to drug lords eh? Insanity. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #347 on: April 18, 2013, 11:46:00 am »

NY Psychiatrists Served With Subpoenas For Patient Records In NY Gun Confiscation
4/15/13
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/ny-psychiatrists-served-with-subpoenas-for-patient-records-in-ny-gun-confiscation/#axzz2QeUldu24

New Jersey --(Ammoland.com)- NY Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Machiavellian Plot to ignore and subvert the Rights of potentially millions of NY State residents developed another layer late Sunday.

After breaking the story of Amhurst NY Area Resident David Lewis having his lawfully purchase and legally owned firearms confiscated by order of the State Police after a flagrantly illegal and Un-Constitutional review of his medical records , Word came to me in my capacity as in journalist late Sunday that NY Officials have apparently doubled down on their sinister plot and blatant abuse of power.

My sources revealed that two prominent and well regarded Buffalo Area Psychiatrists received subpoenas from State Officials, possibly on Friday April 12th 2013, commanding them to turn over all of their patient files to the State. Details are sketchy at this early stage, but I have been told that both Doctors have in house counsel as well as potentially consulting with the Law Firm of Jim Tresmond, Firearms Law Specialist and the Attorney of Record for Mr Lewis.

What is clear is that those subpoenas would have to have been issued by someone in the State’s Attorney’s Office. What remains unknown at this point is whether the order or request for the subpoenas originated with the Superintendent of the NY State Police, Joseph D’Amico or from the Office of the the Commissioner of the NY State Division of Criminal Justice Services or one of his lieutenants.

If it’s accurate that the subpoenas in question were received by their targets on Friday April 12th 2013.  That would be the same day that WBEN Talk Radio Show host Tom Baurele told listeners that multiple independent sources within NY State Government related to him that a secret seven member”HIPAA” committee had been created within the Div Of Criminal Justice Services after passage of the NY SAFE Act to work in conjunction with the NY State Police at the behest of the Dept of Homeland Security; for the express purpose of illegally obtaining and accessing the private medical records of potentially millions of NY State Residents. Then comparing those records with the records of known firearms owners and pistol permit holders in order to facilitate the confiscation of firearms under the extraordinarily broad language in the law regarding those that have been deemed “mentally unstable“.

Something that thus far NY State Police have denied, choosing to blame the County Clerk, Chris Jacobs in the Lewis incident which was discussed at length on the Megyn Kelly show, also on Friday the 12th of April.

Interestingly, the “mission statement” found on the website for the NY Div Of Criminal Justice Services contains language that could plausibly be used as “cover” for their involvement in this on going scheme.

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“The Division of Criminal Justice Services is a multi-function criminal justice support agency with a variety of responsibilities, including collection and analysis of statewide crime data; operation of the DNA databank and criminal fingerprint files; administration of federal and state criminal justice funds; support of criminal justice-related agencies across the state; and administration of the state’s Sex Offender Registry that allows anyone to research the status of an offender.

Our mission – the very reason we exist – is to make New York State a safer place to live, raise our families and run our businesses.”

At DCJS, our core agency functions include criminal history checks, fingerprint operations, coordination of grant funds, providing timely information, public safety, law enforcement training, breathalyzer and speed enforcement equipment repair, accreditation of police departments and forensic laboratories, Uniform Crime Reporting, research, hosting criminal justice boards and commissions, providing information to criminal justice agencies and institutions, and hosting other criminal justice agencies. Much of our contact with the public involves the Sex Offender Registry, where anyone can check for the presence of high and medium risk sex offenders in their neighborhood (information on Level 1 or low level offenders can be obtained by calling 518-457-5837 or 1-800-262-3257 if you have a name you would like to check. You will need the individual’s name and another identifying fact, such as date of birth). We also support Operation IMPACT, an initiative where we provide special assistance to the 17 counties upstate and on Long Island that account for nearly 80 percent of the crime outside of New York City.


This much is clear given the known facts, as well as the current and ongoing allegations and leaks. NY State is being “led” by a vociferously Anti Gun Governor that has a demonstrated history and extensive habitual evidence of his willingness to impose his will and personal opinion on the Citizens he claims to serve. This situation calls for the urgent appointment of a Special Prosecutor to investigate these egregious violations of both State and Federal Law, as well as the clear Civil Rights violations and violations of the targeted Citizens individual 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment Rights.

Those responsible for this unprecedented subversion of the rule of law and innocent Americans Rights must be held to account for their actions. If not, any flicker of hope for the concept of “all are equal under the law” will be snuffed out under the boot of the awesome power of the State against its Citizens.

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« Reply #348 on: April 18, 2013, 12:56:04 pm »

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What law? I assume NY passed some law pertaining to mental health patients and guns, and is the excuse they are using to confiscate guns. If no new law, then somebody needs to explain themselves. Government cannot go browsing through patient records without a warrant or an okay from the patient themselves.

And what's up with this "HIPAA board"? They don't need a whole board of people to tell them the privacy rights under HIPAA. They already know exactly what the law says. This sounds like a board set up as some "expert" on the matter that they'll trot out when confronted, claiming legal advise by the board or some bs.

Reality is more likely they have that board for the sole purpose of figuring out ways to circumvent HIPAA and gain access to records they don't currently have rights to.

I've been thinking that California is a seriously real problem, and it is, but New York is showing itself as much worse, even bordering on a state of dictatorship.
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« Reply #349 on: April 18, 2013, 03:09:17 pm »

I read in my paper today that the Cruz/Grassley proposal was rejected as well yesterday. However, just crossed paths with this article.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/no-decisions-made-on-gun-control-bill-boehner-2013-04-18?siteid=yhoof2
4/18/13
No decisions made on gun-control bill: Boehner

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- House committee chairmen are looking at gun violence proposals but no decisions have been made about legislation, House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday. "When we have a decision to announce, we'll announce it," Boehner told reporters, a day after the Senate defeated an amendment that would have expanded background checks for gun buyers. Boehner also said he plans to move forward with bills about expanding U.S. energy production, but did not give details.

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Uhm, the bill was defeated by the Senate, so it should be dead, right? What's there to make a decision about? This thing may not be going away anytime soon.
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« Reply #350 on: April 18, 2013, 03:12:00 pm »

Dead for now, according to Harry Reid...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/politics/congress-gun-laws/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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Washington (CNN) -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced Thursday he was setting aside proposed gun legislation for now following the defeat a day earlier of major provisions sought by President Barack Obama and Democrats in the aftermath of the Newtown school massacre.

Reid said he and Obama agreed it was time for a "pause" to let negotiations continue. (cont.)
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« Reply #352 on: April 20, 2013, 05:43:21 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/columbine-survivor-gun-bill-failure-not-over-151457085.html
4/20/13
On Columbine anniversary, survivor says gun bill fight isn’t over yet

Katie Lyles was a sophomore at Columbine High School when her math class was interrupted by the sound of gunfire on April 20, 1999.

She fled the class, and survived. But by the end of the day, she would find out that her lab partner from science class and one of her teachers were among the 13 people killed by a pair of seniors who went on a shooting rampage that day.

Fourteen years later, Lyles, now an art teacher at an elementary school in the same Colorado community, decided to become an advocate for expanded background checks and other gun safety measures after the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on Dec. 14. In the aftermath of that tragedy, Lyles became alarmed when some gun rights enthusiasts suggested that teachers or volunteers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons into school to prevent the next shooting.

With the help of her teachers' union, the National Education Association, Lyles has lobbied lawmakers and shared her personal experience as a Columbine survivor and teacher to try to get new gun laws passed. She testified in front of the Colorado statehouse for stricter background checks and limits to high-capacity magazines, which eventually passed and were signed into law in March.

But her advocacy on the national level was not so successful. On Wednesday, senators refused to bring a background check bill to a vote, dealing a significant blow to President Barack Obama's stated goal of passing what he calls commonsense gun reforms. The Senate came five votes short of clearing the procedural hurdle that would have allowed lawmakers to actually debate the bill.

The failure came despite a compromise between Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W. Va.) and Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.) that scaled back an earlier Democratic proposal to require background checks for nearly every single gun transaction, including those among friends and relatives. The Manchin-Toomey compromise would have covered just commercial transactions, including online and gun show sales, to ensure people with criminal records can't buy weapons. The National Rifle Association opposed the background check compromise, saying it would not "reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools."

Lyles said she is disappointed the bill failed, but will continue to fight for the legislation.

"This isn’t the end of the fight, this is the first inning of a nine inning game," Lyles said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/gun-control-fight-spills-over-125243491.html
Gun control fight spills over to federal research

As government plans research on firearms violence, NRA, gun control group differ on approach

4/24/13

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Washington's fight over firearms restrictions isn't limited to Congress. It's also taking place in the halls of science — literally — where gun control advocates and the National Rifle Association differ over the direction federal research on gun violence should take. John Frazer, research director of the NRA's legislative arm, told a committee of experts on guns and public health Tuesday that better data is needed on the benefits of gun ownership, such as peoples' use of firearms to defend themselves. Dan Gross, the president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, focused on obtaining more information on how people get guns and the deaths and injuries the weapons cause. The experts were meeting in a building used by the National Academies, a private organization that provides science advice to the government. The committee is deciding what recommendations to make about federal research of gun violence, which President Barack Obama ordered resumed after nearly two decades in which the work has been blocked by Congress.

"This is not about developing a policy agenda for guns. This is about developing a research agenda," said Alan I. Leshner, chief executive officer of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, who is head the research committee. "We are the science folks." This year's debate over gun control, sparked by December's killing of 20 first-graders and six educators at a Connecticut elementary school, was hampered by old, at times unreliable data on guns. The Senate last week rejected a series of gun control proposals, and Democratic leaders put aside their effort to restrict firearms after realizing they lacked the votes needed for approval. Now, the battle is carrying over to the type of research each side thinks is needed.

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New Bill Would Require Background Checks for 'Explosive Materials':Senator Harry Reid has introduced a new bill that would require background checks for anyone purchasing 'explosive materials' or 'powders' commonly used to manufact

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/they-come-for-the-ammo-new-bill-would-require-background-checks-for-explosive-materials_04262013
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The anti-guy gun lobby is worse than your typical persistent troll on internet forums...
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« Reply #356 on: April 26, 2013, 04:25:01 pm »

Guns are worthless without ammo and they know it.
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« Reply #357 on: April 28, 2013, 10:58:18 pm »

Currently the #1 trending news item on Yahoo...

http://wtvr.com/2013/04/28/9-year-old-apparently-killed-by-intruder-in-california/
4/28/13
9-year-old apparently killed by intruder in California

(CNN) — Investigators have no suspect in the stabbing death of a 9-year-old girl in her California home Saturday, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

Leila Fowler’s brother found the child with “severe injuries” in the Calaveras County, California, home Saturday, and she was pronounced dead later at a hospital, according to Calaveras County Sheriff Capt. Jim Macedo.

Her parents were “nearby at a public event” at the time, Macedo told reporters.

The brother, who was not named, “is not a suspect at this time, but we are continuing to talk to him, which would be normal because he was the last person with the child,” he said.

Detectives are tracking down dozens of leads phoned into a tip line created Saturday, including some leading to other counties, he said.

A search of the family’s home overnight Saturday gave investigators a “substantial amount of evidence,” he said.

He would not describe how the girl was killed.

Witnesses have given police three differing descriptions of a possible intruder into the home, he said. The Sheriff’s Office is not releasing any of those descriptions, Macedo said.

“We don’t want to lead anybody in the wrong direction,” he said.

A widespread search is being conducted for clues, he said.

Deputies will have an “increased and visible presence at the schools and bus stops” until the crime is solved, he said.
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http://silverdoctors.com/ge-capital-cuts-off-financing-to-gun-stores/
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GE Capital Cuts Off Financing to Gun Stores

Welcome to the new Fascist Amerika where only those businesses aligning with the goals of our fascist overlords are allowed to succeed.  As the WSJ has reports tonight, GE Capital has just cut off all funding to gun dealers across the US:

This month, Glenn Duncan, owner of Duncan’s Outdoor Store in Bay City, Mich., said he received a letter from GE Capital Retail Bank in which the lender said it had made “the difficult decision” to stop providing financing services to his store. Other gun dealers have received similar notices.

With the Senate failing to pass Obama’s signature gun control legislation this week, it appears that the banksters are taking the destruction of the 2nd amendment into their own hands.

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General Electric Co. is quietly cutting off lending to gun shops, as the company rethinks its relationship to firearms amid the fallout from the school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

This month, Glenn Duncan, owner of Duncan’s Outdoor Store in Bay City, Mich., said he received a letter from GE Capital Retail Bank in which the lender said it had made “the difficult decision” to stop providing financing services to his store. Other gun dealers have received similar notices.

GE (NYSE:GE)   is at least the second big financial firm to retreat from the gun business following the school shootings, which claimed the lives of 20 first-graders and six adults in December.

With gun and ammo sales continuing to shatter records, we suspect that the firearms industry will do just fine without GE’s capital.
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« Reply #359 on: April 29, 2013, 06:27:20 pm »

For the time being, that may be, but this ain't over. I have no doubt they will tighten the rules even more through simply taking away options.

Of course it matters not for Christians, seeing we aren't to use weapons of any kind anyway. Our weapon and protector is Jesus Christ in us. One must believe "no weapon formed against thee shall prosper".
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