Politicians respond to Connecticut school shooting

[Psalm 51:17]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/09/17/carney-obama-implementing-executive-actions-following-navy-yard-shooting/
9/17/13
Carney: Obama Implementing Executive Actions Following Navy Yard Shooting

WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — President Barack Obama on Monday wearily lamented “yet another mass shooting,” this time in the nation’s capital where the debate that raged earlier this year over tightening firearms laws has stalled amid opposition from gun-rights advocates.

The shooting at the Washington Navy Yard came a week after voters recalled two Colorado legislators who supported tougher gun measures, illustrating the strong political headwinds faced by lawmakers seeking to respond to the violence.

Obama, for one, has been powerless to get legislation passed despite a string of mass shootings during his presidency.

In the wake of the shooting at the Navy Yard, Obama spokesman Jay Carney said the president is implementing executive actions and reiterated his commitment to strengthening gun laws, including expanding background checks to sales online and at gun shows.

**Didn't Rick Warren say how his son(who committed suicide) *illegally* bought a gun off the internet? Coincidence?

“The president supports, as do an overwhelming majority of Americans, common-sense measures to reduce gun violence,” Carney said.

Even as it was unfolding, the Washington shooting was reigniting talk about guns. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a leading advocate of gun control legislation, mourned “the litany of massacres” the country has suffered in the form of mass shootings.

“When will enough be enough?” Feinstein asked. “Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life.”

But it was far from certain whether the shooting would actually influence the larger debate over gun control vs. gun rights, given that the already difficult politics of the issue have gotten only tougher since December’s shooting at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary School. That shooting, which killed 20 first-graders and six staffers, spurred Obama to propose stricter firearms laws to prevent future deaths.

Gun owners, aided by their advocates at the National Rifle Association, have successfully fought Obama’s legislation, even though polls show broad support for tougher gun laws.

Obama and gun control advocates have vowed to continue fighting since the Senate rejected expanded background checks in April, but they can’t point to a single new Senate supporter. Their case wasn’t helped by last week’s NRA-backed recall of two Colorado Democratic senators who supported expanded background checks and limits on ammunition magazines.

Matt Bennett, senior vice president at Democratic-leaning Third Way, says the Colorado senators’ mistake was banning high-capacity magazines — even though Third Way has supported such a ban.

“We do as good public policy, but we don’t support Congress trying to do it at this point because it’s bad politics,” Bennett said. “Voters don’t like it.”

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an advocate for stricter gun laws with his group Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns, contributed around $350,000 to support the Colorado Democrats — Senate President John Morse and Sen. Angela Giron. The NRA spent roughly the same amount opposing them.

Mark Glaze, executive director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, said the group will continue to “give legislators who take risks to protect public safety the resources to defend themselves.” He said it may take some time, but predicted eventually they will have support in the Senate for tighter laws.

“It’s a question of how long some senators think they can politically sustain doing nothing while 33 more Americans die every day and the mass shootings continue,” Glaze said.

Obama didn’t mention gun control as he addressed the Navy Yard shooting from the White House, promising to pursue “whoever carried out this cowardly act.”

“We are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation’s capital,” Obama said. “It’s a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. These are men and women who were going to work, doing their job protecting all of us. They’re patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today they faced the unimaginable violence that they wouldn’t have expected here at home.”

[Kilika]

the Colorado senators’ mistake was banning high-capacity magazines

I agree, that's a mistake. It serves ZERO purpose in reducing "gun violence".

What is needed is facts of actual scenarios where a gun was used to shoot somebody. Facts like what type gun was used, what was the clip size, if any, etc. Where are those facts? They SHOULD be in each police report of each shooting investigation.

It takes about 2-3 seconds to change clips in pretty much any handgun or rifle. It actually takes longer to duck your head behind cover, then pop your head back up to aim than it does to reload. Banning clip size is just petty anti-gun annoyance to the industry.

The real problem that these people refuse to talk about is with the people who shoot other people. It's not about what they use on people, it's the shooter themselves that are the issue. Man has done violent things to their fellow man since Cain. It won't change one bit till Jesus changes it in that day.

So you ban guns, then what, knives? And after you find that banning knives doesn't reduce the violence, then what, ban shovels, ice picks, and hammers?

Just another example how the world focuses on the outward appearance, and not the spiritual.

[Psalm 51:17]

I'm not trying to imply that there was some conspiracy foul play or anything, but what is it with all of this "self-inflicted gun shot wound" reporting?(ie-when Rick Warren's son committed suicide, supposedly, the same was said)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/paul-oliver-suicide-san-diego-chargers-georgia-bulldogs-092513
Ex-NFL player Oliver commits suicide
9/25/13

A medical examiner near Atlanta says former San Diego Chargers safety Paul Oliver has committed suicide.

Cobb County investigators say the 29-year-old Oliver was found dead Tuesday night at his home in Marietta, about 20 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta.

Police say Oliver died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

In a statement, Chargers officials said Oliver was a 2007 fourth-round supplemental draft pick from the University of Georgia. Oliver was academically ineligible his senior year and was unable to return to UGA's squad.

“Everyone in the Chargers family is sad today after hearing the news about Paul," the team said. "He was part of our family for five years. At just 29 years old, he still had a lifetime in front of him. Right now all of our thoughts and prayers are with his family during this most difficult time.”

Oliver played for the Chargers from 2007 to 2011. Club officials say Oliver's best season was 2010, when he started eight times and recorded 62 tackles.

Oliver was released by the New Orleans Saints after training camp in 2011, and returned to San Diego that season.

[Kilika]

Well, I don't mean to be sarcastic, but when a person shoots themselves, it's called "self-inflicted", to mean somebody else didn't do it. I don't see any conspiracy.

[Psalm 51:17]

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/27/20724082-nearly-two-mass-shootings-per-month-since-2009-study-finds?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=4
9/27/13
Nearly two mass shootings per month since 2009, study finds

There have been almost two mass shootings per month in the U.S. for five consecutive years -- yet such cases account for only a tiny fraction of firearm killings, according to a report by a coalition of mayors eager to stave off gun violence in the country.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a seven-year-old bipartisan coalition comprising more than 1,000 U.S. mayors, said in a report released Friday that between January 2009 and September 2013 there have been 93 mass shootings in 35 states.

The 35-page report, which relied on FBI data and media reports, defines a mass shooting as an event in which "at least four people were murdered with a gun."

The report said that according to FBI statistics, in 2010 mass shootings accounted for less than 1 percent of firearm murders.

Assault weapons were used in 14 of the 93 shootings, according to the report, and when such weapons were used, there was an average of 63 percent more deaths.

In 10 cases, there was evidence that the mental illness of the shooter had been documented before the shooting.

Additionally, in 53 of the cases, the shooter targeted and killed a spouse or loved one. In 40 of the incidents, the shooter committed suicide.

The report provided detailed descriptions of the mass shootings, from what kind of guns were used to "prohibited criteria" - a section stating whether or not the shooter was prohibited from owning a firearm.

The most recent case listed is the Sept. 16 shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, in which a computer contractor suspected of suffering from mental illness killed 12 people before being shot by police.

Members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns include Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

[Mark]

I wonder WHY we are not seeing this plastered all over the new media? Why arent all those demonic Liberals out there screaming their heads off?

Still i think the teachers should be armed also, instead of militarizing the schools. Or at least have the cops in plain clothes or something. 

Obama administration to allocate $45M for cops in schools

The Obama administration plans to spend millions of dollars to place armed police officers in schools throughout the country in a move advocated by the National Rifle Association in the wake of last December's shooting massacre in Newtown, Conn.

The Department of Justice announced Friday it's giving nearly $45 million to fund 356 new school resource officer positions. Funding will be provided by grants from the department's Community Oriented Policing Services, or COPS, office.
 
"Just over nine months after the senseless mass shooting at Sandy Hook, we remain committed to providing every resource we can to ensure that the children of Newtown can feel safe and secure at school and elsewhere," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement. "And as we hold lost loved ones in our thoughts and prayers, we resolve to continue to support and protect this community — and to help them heal together."
 
Holder announced the department has allocated $150,000 to put police officers in schools in Newtown. The grant from the department's Bureau of Justice Assistance is intended to fund two positions, such as resource officers.
 
The NRA was initially criticized by Democrats for focusing so closely on school security, and rejecting gun control measures, following the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.in which 26 people were killed. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre in December called for armed officers to be installed in every school in the country.
 
In the NRA's first in-depth public comments since the shooting, LaPierre argued that if banks and members of Congress can have protection, schools across America should be afforded the same security.
 
"It's now time for us to assume responsibly for our schools," he said. "The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be permanently involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection."
 
He added: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
 
In August, the Department of Justice authorized spending another $2.5 million in Newtown to help compensate police for overtime, forensic work and security since the shooting. The gunman, who had killed his mother at home before going to the school, killed himself as police closed in.
 
Police have been present since January at the school Sandy Hook students are using. The town's high school and one of its middle schools also have resource officers.
 
The district's acting school superintendent, John Reed, declined to comment Friday on the Department of Justice announcement through an assistant, who said the schools had not been notified about the funds.
 
Newtown established a school security committee last year and has been working with New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice on a security analysis of all its schools.
 
Reed sent a letter to parents last month informing them of several security improvements, including the installation of security cameras in all schools.
 
The committee has said its goal is to have the full-time presence of one police officer and at least one trained security officer at each school building during regular school hours and it expects that to occur shortly after winter break.
 
Also on Friday, the State Bond Commission approved a $3.7 million grant for Newtown to finance the planning, design and site preparation costs for a new Sandy Hook Elementary School.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/28/obama-administration-to-spend-45m-on-cops-in-schools/

[Psalm 51:17]

I wonder WHY we are not seeing this plastered all over the new media? Why arent all those demonic Liberals out there screaming their heads off?

Still i think the teachers should be armed also, instead of militarizing the schools. Or at least have the cops in plain clothes or something. 

Obama administration to allocate $45M for cops in schools

The Obama administration plans to spend millions of dollars to place armed police officers in schools throughout the country in a move advocated by the National Rifle Association in the wake of last December's shooting massacre in Newtown, Conn.

The Department of Justice announced Friday it's giving nearly $45 million to fund 356 new school resource officer positions. Funding will be provided by grants from the department's Community Oriented Policing Services, or COPS, office.
 

So that's IT? Only $45m for 356 new school resource officer positions? That's NOT much!

[Mark]

So that's IT? Only $45m for 356 new school resource officer positions? That's NOT much!

well the point is, is that Obama just put guns in schools for protection.

[Kilika]

356 new officers, in schools? Uh, that doesn't cover all schools. Not even close. It's political window dressing.

There are over 20,000 secondary high schools in the US. That is just high schools!

Who is he kidding? There are over 16 million students in middle and high school.

Obama and his ilk are such sorry excuses for humans!

http://www.betterhighschools.org/pubs/documents/HSInTheUS_1210.pdf

[Mark]

its propbably just for schools in Chicago. 

[Mark]

America’s Largest Gun Shop Abruptly Dropped by Credit Card Co. — and the Reason Will Have You Shaking Your Head in Disbelief

The Hyatt Gun Shop of Charlotte, N.C., has been doing business for the last four years with  a subsidiary of Visa — a key Obama campaign donor — that specializes in credit card transactions.
 
But the subsidiary, Authorize.net/CyberSource, reportedly has ended its relationship with the nation’s largest gun store for a reason that might get you scratching your head.
 
Because the Hyatt Gun Shop sells, well, guns.

The Authorize.net email said that gun sales violated a section of the service agreement it signed with the gun shop, reportedly after Hyatt detailed its sales and products — and, you know, its name – according to the Washington Examiner.
 
“We’ve never seen anything like this,” said Justin Anderson, Hyatt’s marketing director, who added it took a week and thousands of dollars to line up a “gun friendly” credit card processor for online sales.
 
More from the Examiner:
 

The brushoff of Hyatt’s business has sparked a national boycott effort against Authorize.net and parent company CyberSource organized by the website Grass Roots North Carolina. “It looks like the small but noisy anti-gun crowd has gotten to what must be a jelly-spined PR department at CyberSource and Authorize.Net. Either that, or leadership at these companies have simply become anti-gun all on their own,” said the website in announcing the boycott.
 
Anderson suspects that the company, purchased by Visa in 2010, got cold feet dealing with a leading gun seller and he said that he’s heard of other gun stores being dropped. The company had no immediate comment.
 
The sudden move comes two weeks after the Washington Navy Yard shootings which were followed by President Obama’s plea for more gun control.

Several Visa executives contributed to the president’s re-election campaign, the Examiner notes, adding that their total was $21,780, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
 
Here’s the email notice from Authorize.net:
 

Dear Hyatt Gun Shop Inc,
 
Authorize.Net LLC (“Authorize.Net”) has determined that the nature of your business constitutes a violation of Section 2.xiv of the Authorize.Net Acceptable Use Guidelines and Sections 3.3 and 11.3 of the Authorize.Net Service Agreement (the “Agreement”). These sections include, but are not limited to, the sale of firearms or any similar product. Accordingly, pursuant to Section 4 of the Acceptable Use Guidelines, your ability to access and use the Authorize.Net Services will be terminated on September 30, 2013.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/28/americas-largest-gun-shop-abruptly-dropped-by-credit-card-co-and-the-reason-will-have-you-shaking-your-head-in-disbelief/

[Kilika]

But the subsidiary, Authorize.net/CyberSource, reportedly has ended its relationship with the nation’s largest gun store

This is what I feel is the beginnings that will lead up to the forcing of the "mark". Everything seems peaceful, business is doing fine, everybody is making money. Then boom! People change and so do their policies. You have no real say over a company saying we no longer want to do business with you, but that is exactly what the "mark of the beast" is all about, a forcing of terms on the users under the threat of being cast out of their system of carnal things, which is at least a form of being put to death, because outside the worldly system, a carnal life gets real difficult.

I have personally seen what it's like to be on the streets and without an identity card and no physical address as a residence. That freaks out people in general. It confuses many people that you don't have an address (or phone number) because their social system is based on a name, address, age, etc in their records. If you have no id, that really makes for problems. Eventually, it gets worse for those who are outside Caesar's worldly system.

[Mark]

Why Are They Trying So Hard To Demonize Gun Owners?

There is an all-out effort to demonize gun owners in the United States today.  Those that own guns are repeatedly portrayed as being uneducated, mentally deficient racists in the mainstream media.  No evidence is ever produced to actually back up those claims.  Gun owners regularly make lists of “potential terrorists” in official government documents, and many government officials openly regard them as ultra-paranoid “conspiracy nuts” that are a serious threat to national security.  Of course the truth is that gun owners are actually among the most law-abiding and patriotic people in the entire nation, but that doesn’t really fit with the radical gun control agenda of the progressive elite.  In order to move their agenda forward, they must make gun owners look bad, and they will go to ridiculous extremes in order to achieve that goal.  And to a certain extent, it is working.  As you will see below, some large financial companies no longer want to conduct business with gun owners, and just the sight of a gun is enough to get people freaking out and calling the police in many communities in America today.
 
Never underestimate the power of propaganda.  Just think about it – pretty much the only time that advocates for gun owner organizations are invited to appear on the mainstream media is when the big news organizations think that they can make them look bad.  Other than a few token appearances by pro-gun advocates, most of the time it is a relentless flood of anti-gun messages on the mainstream news.
 
And often the anti-gun messages that Americans are being fed are absolutely absurd.  In fact, they would be absolutely hilarious if so many people were not taking them so seriously.
 
For example, Michael Moore actually believes that the reason why so many “white people” want to own guns is because they are “afraid of black people”…
 

“It’s because too many white people are afraid of black people. Period. The vast majority of the guns in the U.S. are sold to white people who live in the suburbs or the country. When we fantasize about being mugged or home invaded, what’s the image of the perpetrator in our heads? Is it the freckled-face kid from down the street – or is it someone who is, if not black, at least poor?”
 
And Chris Matthews is apparently convinced that most gun owners are virulent racists that hate Barack Obama just because he has dark skin…
 

I have to tell you this. I see a far bigger fight than over background checks and gun shows. It’s culture war. They don’t accept an African-American president or president of color who has some antecedence in Africa. No. It has to be us or him. And our guns or him. And everything is totemic; everything is iconic; everything’s fighting words.
 
It is easy to laugh at such bizarre comments, but millions of people actually take these jokers seriously, and they are having an impact.
 
Just recently, the owner of one of the largest gun stores in America, Hyatt Gun Shop, was informed by his credit card processor (Authorize.net) that he had violated their service agreement and they no longer wanted his business.
 
So what did Hyatt Gun Shop do wrong?
 
Well, they sold guns.
 
Yes, I know that this sounds crazy, but this is actually happening.  The following is the text of the actual email that Larry Hyatt received…
 

Dear Hyatt Gun Shop Inc,
 
Authorize.Net LLC (“Authorize.Net”) has determined that the nature of your business constitutes a violation of Section 2.xiv of the Authorize.Net Acceptable Use Guidelines and Sections 3.3 and 11.3 of the Authorize.Net Service Agreement (the “Agreement”).
 
These sections include, but are not limited to, the sale of firearms or any similar product.
 
Accordingly, pursuant to Section 4 of the Acceptable Use Guidelines, your ability to access and use the Authorize.Net Services will be terminated on September 30, 2013.
 
And in case you are tempted to think that this is not a big deal, it should also be noted that Authorize.net is a fully-owned subsidiary of Visa USA.
 
Are big financial companies such as Visa going to start simply refusing to do business with anyone that sells guns?
 
If you believe that this could never happen, just check out what the owner of American Spirit Arms said about his dealings with Bank of America on Facebook…
 

My name is Joe Sirochman owner of American Spirit Arms and I wanted to share my recent experience with Bank of America (which we have been doing business with for over 10 years)…. Everyone is familiar with the latest increase in guns sales, dealers selling out of inventory, Manufacturers back logged for months, large revenue all generated in the last two weeks …. American Spirit Arms is no exception to the overwhelming demand. What we have experienced is that our web site orders have jumped 500% causing our web site E commerce processing larger Deposits to BANK OF AMERICA ..Well, this through up a huge RED Flag with Bank of America . So they decided to hold the deposits for further review, meaning that the orders/payments that were coming in through the web, (being paid by the customer and that were shipped out by American Spirit Arms), the BANK was keeping (UNDER REVIEW )..as you could imagine this made me furious…After countless hours on the phone with BANK OF AMERICA I finally got a Manager in the right department that told me the reason that the deposits were on hold for FURTHER REVIEW …HER EXACT WORDS WERE ….. “WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD NOT BE SELLING GUNS and PARTS ON THE INTERNET”
 
But of course it is not just financial companies that are demonizing gun owners.
 
Some more examples of this phenomenon were cited in a commentary authored by Dr. Michael S. Brown…
 

In San Clemente, California, a school groundskeeper who had won a large sexual harassment settlement from the local school district was the target of a dramatic SWAT team raid on his residence. He was held on one million dollars bail for the heinous crime of possessing allegedly stolen rakes and buckets. Someone, perhaps seeking revenge, tipped off the police that the man had a large gun collection.
 
News reports contained no mention of the man making threats or plotting violence; he simply owned guns. A school district administrator was quoted as saying, “I’m personally horrified that someone who has daily contact in the vicinity of children and teachers owned the arsenal he apparently had.” Other officials crowed that they had prevented another Columbine. It is unlikely that the man will receive justice in a culture that vilifies gun owning citizens in this manner.
 
At a large university in Seattle, a white collar employee with an excellent work record was involved in a minor dispute over computer access. When he was called into the administrator’s office to discuss it, two campus police officers were present. “We know you have a concealed weapons permit. Are you armed?” He was not, but the damage to his reputation had already been done. Apparently, a coworker who was competing with the man for a position had tipped off the administration that he was a gun owner.
 
We are rapidly getting to the point where being a gun owner in America will automatically make you an outcast.
 
And progressive strategists don’t plan on letting up.  In fact, it was recently revealed that they have drafted an 80 page “how-to manual” that actually encourages gun control advocates to emotionally exploit major shooting incidents to advance the cause of gun control…
 

Democratic strategists have drafted a how-to manual on manipulating the public’s emotions toward gun control in the aftermath of a major shooting.
 
“A high-profile gun-violence incident temporarily draws more people into the conversation about gun violence,” asserts the guide. “We should rely on emotionally powerful language, feelings and images to bring home the terrible impact of gun violence.”
 
The 80-page document titled “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging,” also urges gun-control advocates use images of frightening-looking guns and shooting scenes to make their point.
 
“The most powerful time to communicate is when concern and emotions are running at their peak,” the guide insists. “The debate over gun violence in America is periodically punctuated by high-profile gun violence incidents including Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson, the Trayvon Martin killing, Aurora and Oak Creek. When an incident such as these attracts sustained media attention, it creates a unique climate for our communications efforts.”
 
If you would like to read the entire manual, you can find it right here.
 
And of course Barack Obama continues to issue more executive orders about guns almost every time a major shooting incident makes the news.
 
But with conservatives in charge of the U.S. House of Representatives, he knows that there is a limit on what he will be able to do for now.
 
So the Obama administration has been busy pushing the new international treaty on arms regulation that it hopes will advance the cause of gun control.  Fortunately, many gun owner organizations are deeply concerned about this and they are sounding the alarm.  The following is from a recent Fox News article about this new treaty…
 

But the treaty also advocates keeping data of arms purchases, which the NRA and other groups say could be used as an international log to keep tabs on gun owners.
 
The record-keeping section in the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) encourages members to “maintain records of conventional arms covered under Article 2,” which include battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, warships and small arms and light weapons.
 
Further, those records should be kept for a minimum of 10 years, the treaty states — which NRA leader Wayne LaPierre has referred to as “nothing more than gun registration by a different name.”
 
Because the treaty’s language is so broad, LaPierre has said that “manufacturers of civilian shotguns would have to comply with the same regulatory process as a manufacturer of military attack helicopters.”
 
One thing is for sure – the attacks from the progressives on gun owners are not going to stop.
 
It does not matter to them that a study that was recently published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy discovered that nations that have more guns tend to have less crime.
 
It does not matter to them that approximately 200,000 women in the United States use guns to protect themselves against sexual crime every single year.
 
Apparently what those women are supposed to do is be sexually assaulted first and then call the police for help.
 
That sounds absolutely insane, but that is the world that the progressives want us to live in.
 
Let us hope that they do not win.
 

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/why-are-they-trying-so-hard-to-demonize-gun-owners

[Psalm 51:17]

Even leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention(Richard Land, Franklin Graham, and Rick Warren) are pushing for gun control.

When Churchianity gets involved, then you know it's the end of the line right there.

Judgment must begin at the house of the Lord.

[Mark]

Concealed Carrier Foils Mass Shooting in Arizona

Some of the best stories of heroism are completely ignored by major news outlets who refuse to report on stories like this where a gun owner saves the day.  But thanks to an Arizona man who carried a concealed handgun many lives were saved last Sunday morning.

Several people were at a party in Arizona when a 27-year-old man got into an argument with some of the party goers.  Eventually the man was asked to leave.  He was gone for a short time but soon returned with a rifle and started firing shots outside the house.

The 27-year-old then started aiming his rifle at some of the guests at the party.  That’s when the 39-year-old concealed handgun carrier drew his firearm and shot the gunman.

The concealed carrier remained on the scene until the police arrived at about 1:30am and the suspect was taken to the hospital with life-threatening injuries.

According to AZ central, Glendale Police Department spokeswoman Officer Tracey Breeden said that the concealed carrier was justified in shooting the gunman.


“This is standard procedure under these type of circumstances,” Breeden said. “Information and evidence detectives have gathered leads them to believe the 27-year-old was not only firing his rifle, endangering partygoers, but also pointed the weapon at other partygoers, endangering them, prior to the 39-year-old displaying a weapon and shooting the 27-year-old.”

The investigation is ongoing and charges are pending, Breeden said.

In the state of Arizona a license is not required in order to carry a concealed handgun.  Who knows how many lives were saved that night because a law abiding gun owner was responsible enough to carry a gun and smart enough to use it when lives were on the line.

Share this story with anyone you can, because you will probably not hear about it on TV, and gun owners are only demonized by an anti-gun media.  This easily could have been a mass shooting in Arizona, but it was all stopped because a good guy with a gun was there to stop the bad guy with the gun.

 - See more at: http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/concealed-carrier-foils-mass-shooting-in-arizona/#sthash.UwLi44QW.BTW59t2t.dpuf

[Kilika]

You would think with the law here in Arizona not requiring permits for concealed or open carry, that people all over would be armed, but they aren't. Only a very small percentage of the population actually carry a gun here.

[Mark]

San Francisco approves confiscatory ban on magazines holding 10-plus rounds

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously approved an ordinance that places a confiscatory ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammo on Oct. 29.
 
Those who are in possession of the high-capacity magazines or high-capacity ammunition feeding devices will have 90 days to turn them over to police, sell them out-of-state or render them permanently inoperable. Failure to do so will result in misdemeanor charges.
 
“While not a panacea, this legislation provides law enforcement with more tools to continue to address gun violence and also continues to strengthen our city’s strong stance on gun regulation,” the bill’s sponsor, Supervisor Malia Cohen, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
 
In 2000, the state legislature placed a ban on the sale, transport, import or purchase of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds, but gun owners who purchased 10-plus round magazines before the enactment of the state ban were grandfathered in.
 
For residents of San Francisco, that no longer holds true unless you qualify for the exemption, i.e. you’re a law enforcement officer, an armored car driver, a museum curator or a Hollywood movie/television producer (these magazines can be “used as props”), according to the law.
 
Aside from putting a retroactive ban on 10-plus round magazines, the bill requires gun dealers to inform customers of local laws, establishes the presumption that an owner who has not reported a firearm lost or stolen remains in possession of the firearm, and prohibits minors from entering shooting ranges unless they are accompanied by a parent or guardian, the SF Chronicle reports.
 
Cohen is a staunch pro-gun control proponent. She has penned other ordinances that limit gun rights for San Francisco citizens, including one that banned hollow-point bullets and requires the police to be notified if one purchases a large amount of ammunition. The board approved this measure earlier this year.
 
With tougher gun laws in place, she hopes to now focus on ways to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, which she acknowledged is the root cause of mass shootings like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
 
“Banning assault rifles only scratches the surface,” she said. “We need to … be better at addressing mental health concerns if we really want to solve the problem.”
 
The confiscatory magazine ban was co-sponsored by Supervisors David Chiu, David Campos, Norman Yee and Eric Mar. Given the overwhelming support for the measure, San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee is expected to sign it into law.
 
In response to this latest push for gun control, the National Rifle Association wrote an open letter arguing against the effort.
 
“Banning ammunition magazines holding 10 or more rounds … plainly conflicts with the Second Amendment,” the NRA stated in a press release.
 
“The U.S. Supreme Court recently made clear, firearms and accessories ‘typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes’ or those ‘in common use’ are protected by the Constitution and cannot be flatly banned,” the gun lobby argues and added that it’s California legal team is prepared to file a lawsuit to prevent the new law from taking effect and have it declared unconstitutional.
 
The movement to strengthen gun control laws at the municipal level has taken hold in California because many gun control advocates are dissatisfied with Gov. Jerry Brown, who vetoed seven stringent gun measures earlier this month, while signing 11 into law.  Given that the state has no preemption laws with respect to firearms, cities are free to pass whatever gun laws they’d like to and gun control advocates are taking advantage of this.  Not only in San Francisco, but in Sunnyvale, where a similar gun control measure is on the Nov. 5 ballot.

http://www.guns.com/2013/10/30/san-francisco-approves-confiscatory-ban-magazines-holding-10-plus-rounds/

[Psalm 51:17]

Guns & Ammo shocks readers with editorial calling for gun control
http://news.yahoo.com/guns-ammo-editorial-controversy-203042117.html
11/6/13

Guns & Ammo, "the world's most widely read firearms magazine," is under fire from angry readers over a shocking editorial published in the December issue supporting gun control.

"Way too many gun owners still seem to believe that any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement," contributing editor Dick Metcalf wrote in a column titled "Let's Talk Limits." "The fact is, all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be."

Because of the Second Amendment, Metcalf argues, "all U.S. citizens have a right to keep and bear arms, but I do not believe that they have a right to use them irresponsibly."

Not surprisingly, many readers are flocking to the Guns & Ammo Facebook page, threatening to cancel their subscriptions and boycott the magazine's advertisers until Metcalf is fired.

"If Dick Metcalf isn't given the boot, I will give the boot to my subscription," one reader wrote. "Stabbed in the back by one of our own. What a shame."

**Yes, enemies come from WITHIN, NOT from without like these Obama-types!

"I've cancelled my subscription and I'm NEVER coming back, and I have been a reader since 1964 and a subscriber since 1970," wrote another. "It is unconscionable for a GUN magazine to publish this kind of dribble."

"I will NEVER read your magazine again," another reader wrote. "I will NEVER buy anything offered in your magazine. You can kiss my red blooded, white American ass!!!"

"Wow," wrote another. "Talk about 'shooting yourself in the foot.' What are you thinking by not listening to the response of your subscribers? You're making an EPIC mistake."

Gun rights advocates seem to agree.

"Anyone who says 'I believe in the Second Amendment but –' does not believe in the Second Amendment," Robert Farago wrote in a blog post on TheTruthAboutGuns.com. "They are not friends, they are not frenemies, they are enemies of The People of the Gun."

Farago also took issue with Metcalf's assertion that the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

"Yes. Yes you can," Farago wrote. "It’s just that you’re legally responsible for what happens next."

Farago added: "The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right, stemming from our natural right of self-defense. It doesn’t require belief, faith or political justification."

The magazine did not immediately return a request for comment.

But gun control advocates are cheering Guns & Ammo's decision to publish the column. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence shared a link to a story about Metcalf's column on its Facebook page.

[Kilika]

**Yes, enemies come from WITHIN, NOT from without like these Obama-types!

Yeah, it's becoming more apparent that the socialists have been installing their kind all over the place, laying in wait to strike. This guy is obviously a government plant. Same thing happened with the NRA. Turns out, they too are nothing but stooges for the government.

[Psalm 51:17]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/08/Gabby-Giffords-And-Her-Husband-Launch-Veterans-for-Gun-Control
11/8/13
Gabby Giffords, Mark Kelly Launch Veterans Group for Gun Control

The gun control PAC of Gabby Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, is launching a new initiative, "Veterans for Responsible Solutions."

According to CNN, the new initiative "will support Giffords and Kelly's wider efforts by bringing to bear the experience of military veterans who've sworn to defend the Second Amendment."

Kelly, a veteran himself, said he shares the views of the veterans in the new initiative. He also spoke of all the guns he and his wife keep in their home for self-defense and target shooting.

Along with Kelly, Veterans for Responsible Solutions say they are not seeking "to repeal or limit the Second Amendment." They just want "universal background checks."

**Translation - they want their cake AND eat it too!

Neither Giffords, Kelly, nor Veterans for Responsible Solutions addressed the fact that universal background checks will require gun registration in order to be effective. Nor did they address Breitbart News' reports that universal background checks would not have stopped the heinous crimes of the Sandy Hook Elementary, D.C. Navy Yard, or LAX shootings.

CNN did report that the couple's push for universal background checks has proven "politically unpalatable."

[Mark]

Massachusetts Moves To Inspect Gun Owners’ Homes
Bureaucrat Proposes Violating Fourth and Second Amendments to Protect Children
 
In Massachusetts, a bureaucrat wants police to enter private residences and “safeguard” guns under the pretense that violating the Constitution will be good for the children.
 
Barry Greenfield, a Swampscott, Massachusetts selectman, cited a state law requiring citizens to keep their firearms locked up and rendered inoperable.
 
“We need the ability to enforce the state law,” Greenfield said.
 
In an email to a constituent concerned about the proposal, Greenfield cited school shootings.
 
“The research I have read states that 65% or more of school shootings are caused by kids having access to their parents guns. It would be great to avoid another situation like that,” he wrote.
 
“I’m a volunteer elected official. I’m trying to do what I can to prevent Sandy Hook happening in my town,” Greenfield added.
 
Fellow selectman Glenn Kessler said “he would like to see all the interested parties including the police chief, the town’s legal counsel and citizens talk about the issue before selectmen take action,” according to the Swampscott Patch.
 
Kessler said there are civil liberty matters to consider.
 
Although Swampscott’s selectmen took no action on Greenfield’s suggestion, most indicated they may hold a discussion on a gun inspection proposal.
 
In February, similar legislation was pulled in Washington state. Under the proposed law, residents who refused to allow cops to search their homes without a warrant faced a year in jail. Democrats who proposed the bill faced withering criticism from the public and the bill was dropped.

http://www.infowars.com/bureaucrat-proposes-violating-fourth-and-second-amendments-to-protect-children/

[Kilika]

Are they going to demand inspections of mattresses to make sure the tags haven't been torn off too? 

[Psalm 51:17]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/13/GOP-Rep-Joins-Democrats-In-Effort-To-Bring-Expanded-Background-Checks-Back-For-Vote
11/13/13
Peter King Joins Dem to Push New Bill for Expanded Background Checks

Representative Peter King (R-NY) is co-sponsoring expanded background check legislation with Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA).

According to The Hill, the legislation is "identical" to the bill Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) pushed earlier this year.

It would end private sales at gun shows and private sales from classified ads located online. It would also force sellers in both these settings to sell their firearms through a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder in the way Colorado state legislators have forced residents of the state to handle all gun sales.

King and Thompson are pushing this bill "to weed out felons, spousal abusers, illegal immigrants, and other categories of prohibited buyers."

As with the failed Senate gun bill earlier this year, the expanded background checks in the proposed King/Thompson bill would not have stopped the LAX shooter, the New Jersey mall shooter, Nidal Hasan's shooting spree at Ft. Hood, or the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary.

[Mark]

Ohio lawmakers advance broad 'stand your ground' bill

COLUMBUS, Ohio (November 21, 2013) - Opponents including black legislators, youth and church groups decried the dangers of an Ohio "stand your ground" self-defense proposal on Wednesday, as the expansive gun measure cleared the state House.

Protesters at one point interrupted the lengthy debate, their shouts gaveled down by House Speaker William Batchelder, before the measure passed on a 62-27 vote. It now goes to the Senate.

Under current law, residents need not retreat before using force if they are lawfully in their homes, vehicles or the vehicle of an immediate family member. The measure would expand the circumstances where the use of force trumps the duty to retreat to public settings, such as stores and streets.

At least 22 states have similar laws, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The laws generally eliminate a person's duty to retreat in the face of a serious physical threat. At least nine of those state laws include language stating one may "stand his or her ground." Ohio's bill doesn't include such language.

The bill's sponsor, state Rep. Terry Johnson, has taken issue with his measure being compared to Florida's law.

"No matter how many times you say 'stand your ground,' this is not a 'stand your ground' bill," Johnson, a McDermott Republican told his colleagues.

Supporters of the provision say no person should have to retreat in order to ensure his or her safety.

Johnson said Democrats' depictions of gun-related crimes "just reinforces my resolve" for the need of the bill.

More than a dozen lawmakers have signed on as co-sponsors to Johnson's bill, which also would ease certain license requirements for carrying concealed weapons and spell out how the state's attorney general enters into agreements with other states to allow Ohioans with concealed weapons permits to carry firearms among those states.

The Ohio Attorney General's Office recently reported almost 82,200 new concealed-carry licenses were issued in the first nine months of 2012, more than any one calendar year since permitting began in 2004.

Beside the self-defense provisions, the bill also would also set up reciprocity license agreements with other states that honor Ohio concealed-carry permits.

Following House passage, the bill would head next to the Senate. Among changes, it would:

— Eliminate the requirement that a person reside in Ohio to receive or renew a concealed handgun license;

— Eliminate the current 12-hour training requirement, substituting a minimum of four training hours in the safe handling and use of a firearm;

— Allow investigators with the attorney general's office to carry firearms when investigating offenses related to the Medicaid program or involving abuse or neglect in nursing homes and residential care facilities;

— Waive certain concealed-carry license renewal requirements for members of the armed forces, Peace Corps or foreign service while on active duty and for six months afterward.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/ohio-lawmakers-advance-broad-stand-your-ground-bill

[Kilika]

— Allow investigators with the attorney general's office to carry firearms when investigating offenses related to the Medicaid program or involving abuse or neglect in nursing homes and residential care facilities;

That's a problem. Lawyers are not police officers.

[Psalm 51:17]

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/East-St-Louis-gun-exchange-rounds-up-130-guns-233223601.html
East St. Louis gun exchange rounds up 130 guns
11/24/13

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (AP) -- Authorities say an East St. Louis weekend gun exchange rounded up 130 guns.

 Saturday's event allowed the first 100 people to get $100 grocery store gift cards. All 100 of the gift cards were gone about an hour after the event started.

 Officials say the guns were allowed to be turned in with no questions asked.

 St. Clair County Richard Watson says the event was a success. He says that people who came in said the money would help with Thanksgiving dinners. He says the guns will be destroyed. An event last year took in seven guns.

 According to St. Clair County State's Attorney Brendan Kelly, the gift card money came from cash seized during drug raids.

 The guns turned in included long shot guns and rifles with scopes.

[Mark]

And So It Begins: New York Sending Out Gun Confiscation Notices



New York’s SAFE Act is a bad, bad thing. It requires people to register, sell or transfer (out of state) “assault rifles” and “high capacity” magazines. Many Empire State gun and standard capacity ammunition magazine owners have complied. Many have not. So, at some point, the State’s gonna go get ‘em. People on both sides of the law enforcement divide will die and the s will hit the fan. Meanwhile, there it is: the reason why expanded background checks, indeed all background checks and any type of registration, set the stage for confiscation. And tyranny.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/11/robert-farago/begins-new-york-sending-gun-confiscation-notices/

[Mark]

Colorado Lawmaker Announces Abrupt Resignation, Becomes the Third Pro-Gun Control Dem. Out of Office

Colorado state Sen. Evie Hudak announced Wednesday that she is resigning from office “effective immediately,” signaling that she would rather step down than lose a recall election over her support for more stringent gun laws in her state.
 
Colorado state Sen. Evie Hudak announced her decision to resign Wednesday. (Image source: eviehudak.com)
 
Loss of a recall election would result in Republicans gaining control of the state senate.
 
News of her impending resignation, which was first reported by KDVR-TV, would seem to throw a wrench into earlier hopes that Colorado would serve as a blueprint for a national push for more gun laws.
 
“In the interest of preserving the progress made over the last year, I am resigning as state senator for district 19, effective immediately,” Hudak said in her letter of resignation.
 
Hudak’s early exit means she avoids becoming the third Democrat to face a tough recall election after supporting the state’s new gun control laws.
 
Democratic state Sens. John Morse and Angela Giron tried to fight their recall elections but were both booted from office and replaced with Republicans.
 
Hudak and fellow Democrats reportedly believed recall efforts against her would have been successful. After conferring with top Colorado Democrats, the state senator finalized her decision to resign late Tuesday, according to KDVR-TV.
 
“Most Coloradans believe that the convenience of high-capacity ammunition magazines is less important than saving lives in tragedies like Sandy Hook, Aurora and Columbine,” Hudak said in her resignation letter. “That’s why I sponsored SB 13-197, a bill that takes guns out of the hands of domestic abusers. … By resigning, I am protecting these important new laws.”
 
Before she announced her resignation, Hudak opponents were busy collecting signatures for the Dec. 3 deadline. Opponents had reportedly collected 92 percent of the signatures needed to force a special recall election, organizer Mike McAlpine told radio host Mike Rosen this week.
 
But by resigning early, Hudak has ensured that the Democratic vacancy committee will appoint someone to take her place. This keeps the state Senate in Democratic hands until at least November, when Hudak’s replacement will be forced to stand for election.
 
Colorado Democrat Rep. Tracy Kraft could serve as a possible replacement for Hudak, KDVR-TV notes, but it is unclear whether the congresswoman would give up her seat for the resigning senator.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/colorado-lawmaker-announces-abrupt-resignation-becomes-the-third-pro-gun-control-dem-out-of-office/

[Kilika]

The thing is, that list shows 3 rifles, each a .22 LR, the Marlin uses a 7-round clip, the AR-7 uses 8-round or larger, and the last one I think 7 rounds, but of course larger capacity clips are available for all of them.

Notice they set the clip limit at 5, yet all those the smallest clip is more than the limit. They effectively banned those style rifles just from a clip limit, unless you want to unreasonably modify the weapon contrary to it's original design.

http://voices.yahoo.com/a-rifle-review-marlin-25n-classic-22-caliber-1743741.html
http://www.lisc.net/p628.htm

How do you modify a rifle, or pistol, to not be able to use a larger capacity clip? Close it up and make it a breach loader?

Under their "options", they demand to know where the firearm will be located outside New York City, as a means of proof it's not in NY of course! It's none of New York's business where the firearm is outside NYC , especially if you move outside the city.

This whole deal is completely stupid police-state thuggery.

[Psalm 51:17]

Honestly, too little, too late - for one, I don't think state politicians even care b/c they only get less than minimum wage while only coming to work in the state legislature only a couple of times a year(it's really nothing more than resume padders and wanting more influence in their respective communities to promote their main professions - so getting this part-time gig is a no-lose situation for them). Two, this gun control law was passed LAST YEAR - why are they waiting until NOW, a year later, to recall these politicians? And besides - these same people who are calling to recall these gun control politicians are pretty much the same crowd who supported gun control politicians like Ronald Reagan, George Sr, and Mitt Romney over the many years. Hate to say it, but they missed the train.

Ultimately, if anyone thinks putting their faith in certain politicians will change things, they better think again.

Colorado Lawmaker Announces Abrupt Resignation, Becomes the Third Pro-Gun Control Dem. Out of Office

Colorado state Sen. Evie Hudak announced Wednesday that she is resigning from office “effective immediately,” signaling that she would rather step down than lose a recall election over her support for more stringent gun laws in her state.
 
Colorado state Sen. Evie Hudak announced her decision to resign Wednesday. (Image source: eviehudak.com)
 
Loss of a recall election would result in Republicans gaining control of the state senate.
 
News of her impending resignation, which was first reported by KDVR-TV, would seem to throw a wrench into earlier hopes that Colorado would serve as a blueprint for a national push for more gun laws.
 
“In the interest of preserving the progress made over the last year, I am resigning as state senator for district 19, effective immediately,” Hudak said in her letter of resignation.
 
Hudak’s early exit means she avoids becoming the third Democrat to face a tough recall election after supporting the state’s new gun control laws.
 
Democratic state Sens. John Morse and Angela Giron tried to fight their recall elections but were both booted from office and replaced with Republicans.
 
Hudak and fellow Democrats reportedly believed recall efforts against her would have been successful. After conferring with top Colorado Democrats, the state senator finalized her decision to resign late Tuesday, according to KDVR-TV.
 
“Most Coloradans believe that the convenience of high-capacity ammunition magazines is less important than saving lives in tragedies like Sandy Hook, Aurora and Columbine,” Hudak said in her resignation letter. “That’s why I sponsored SB 13-197, a bill that takes guns out of the hands of domestic abusers. … By resigning, I am protecting these important new laws.”
 
Before she announced her resignation, Hudak opponents were busy collecting signatures for the Dec. 3 deadline. Opponents had reportedly collected 92 percent of the signatures needed to force a special recall election, organizer Mike McAlpine told radio host Mike Rosen this week.
 
But by resigning early, Hudak has ensured that the Democratic vacancy committee will appoint someone to take her place. This keeps the state Senate in Democratic hands until at least November, when Hudak’s replacement will be forced to stand for election.
 
Colorado Democrat Rep. Tracy Kraft could serve as a possible replacement for Hudak, KDVR-TV notes, but it is unclear whether the congresswoman would give up her seat for the resigning senator.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/colorado-lawmaker-announces-abrupt-resignation-becomes-the-third-pro-gun-control-dem-out-of-office/