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January 29, 2018, 01:21:57 am Christian40 says: It will be interesting to see what happens this year Israel being 70 years as a modern nation may 14 2018
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October 16, 2017, 03:28:18 am Christian40 says: anyone else thinking that time is accelerating now? it seems im doing days in shorter time now is time being affected in some way?
September 24, 2017, 10:45:16 pm Psalm 51:17 says: The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
September 20, 2017, 04:32:32 am Christian40 says: "The most popular Hepatitis B vaccine is nothing short of a witch’s brew including aluminum, formaldehyde, yeast, amino acids, and soy. Aluminum is a known neurotoxin that destroys cellular metabolism and function. Hundreds of studies link to the ravaging effects of aluminum. The other proteins and formaldehyde serve to activate the immune system and open up the blood-brain barrier. This is NOT a good thing."
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-11-new-fda-approved-hepatitis-b-vaccine-found-to-increase-heart-attack-risk-by-700.html
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September 14, 2017, 04:31:26 am Christian40 says: i have thought that i'm reaping from past sins then my life has been impacted in ways from having non believers in my ancestry.
September 11, 2017, 06:59:33 am Psalm 51:17 says: The law of reaping and sowing. It's amazing how God's mercy and longsuffering has hovered over America so long. (ie, the infrastructure is very bad here b/c for many years, they were grossly underspent on. 1st Tim 6:10, the god of materialism has its roots firmly in the West) And remember once upon a time ago when shacking up b/w straight couples drew shock awe?

Exodus 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
September 11, 2017, 03:40:40 am Christian40 says: those in america should better repent or things will only get worse
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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2013, 05:46:51 am »

West Antarctica Warmed Quickly ... 20,000 Years Ago

The modern meltdown of the Antarctic Ice Sheet mirrors the frozen continent's big thaw after the last ice age ended 20,000 years ago, a new study finds.
 
New ice core records from West Antarctica show the huge ice sheet started heating up about 20,000 to 22,000 years ago, 2,000 to 4,000 years earlier than previously thought. But in East Antarctica, which was higher in elevation, colder and drier than the West, the continent stayed in its deep-freeze cycle until 18,000 years ago. The results were published today (Aug. 14) in the journal Nature.


rest: http://www.livescience.com/38882-west-antarctica-thawed-earlier.html

This whole article revolves around New ice core records . When they pull up an ice core, they drill a hole with a hollow drill and knock out the core after they are done. Its like you will a straw up with water and freeze it, then push out the frozen water. That is an ice core. When the drill one and pop it out, you will notice a whole bunch of tiny layers. Like a tree ring. Here is the articles pic, showing the layers.



They, they being lying scientists and authors with an agenda, who disregard REAL science for their religion of evolution, say that each layer is a year, like a tree. While real science shows both of those claims to be false, they don’t care. You can see these layers on most wintry days where it snows, warms up, gets cold, snows again. Easy to find in places like Alaska.

You see it isn’t a year’s growth of ice, as usually the arctic and Antarctic doesn’t even get enough water to form a layer, but what it actually represents is nothing more than, warm cold warm cold, as the top of the ice warms it gently melts, and then freezes again when it gets cold thus creating layers. Now layers will pack tightly when compressed. No one is doubting that, even ICE will compact as there is air trapped in the pours nature of ice.

So it is impossible to date ICE by ice layers. You can’t do it, and this is proven by REAL ACTUAL SCIENCE, OBSERVABLE SCIENCE!!!! Not make believe faith based science, which this is.

The article states, 20,000 to 22,000 years ago, they came to that number by literally counting the layers. That’s right, some guy with a grant from the government, counted all those rings from the core. and we probably paid for it.

Here is a fact, in Greenland a bunch of WW2 fighters and bombers had to crash land on the ice. Actually July 15 1942. Well 46 years later, they went back and found the planes buried in 260 feet of ice. That’s right 260 feet in 64 years. That is an observable fact. When they dug down to the planes there were hundreds of layers of ice between the 2, yet only 64 years. So some one is lying. I wonder who it is.



This isn’t the best pic, but you can see the layers in the ice as they descend on the planes.

So the whole purpose of this article is 20,000 to 22,000 years ago, which has just been proven with observable SCIENCE to be a lie.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2013, 09:28:30 am »

Comet from the Oort Cloud Careens toward the Sun

This month Comet ISON will fly by the sun in an encounter that could destroy the object, or elevate it to greatness


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=comet-ison-sun-approach


Not even wasting the space to post the whole story from SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN.  Roll Eyes

First off there is NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER that the Oort Cloud exists. none, zero zilch, nothing. You can’t see it, you can’t detect it, nothing. They just made it up because if the Solar System is at least 4 BILLION  years old than there should be no comets at all. That’s right there should be no comets what so ever. They should have all burned up millions of years ago, and man should have no knowledge of them in any way shape or form.



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According to evolutionary theory, comets are supposed to be the same age as the solar system, about five billion years. Yet each time a comet orbits close to the sun, it loses so much of its material that it could not survive much longer than about 100,000 years. Many comets have typical ages of less than 10,000 years.4

4. Steidl, P. F., Planets, comets, and asteroids, Design and Origins in Astronomy, pp. 73-106, G. Mulfinger, ed., Creation Research Society Books (1983),
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2013, 06:55:04 am »

Noble Gas Molecule Discovered in Space

A molecule containing a noble gas has been discovered in space by a team including astronomers from Cardiff University.

The find was made using a Cardiff-led instrument aboard Europe's Herschel Space Observatory. The molecule, argon hydride, was seen in the Crab Nebula, the remains of a star that exploded 1,000 years ago. Before the discovery, molecules of this kind have only been studied in laboratories on Earth.


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Just re-read that statement. They detected, 1 molecule, thats right just 1 molecule which is almost impossible on Earth with super powerful instruments, but these people claim to have done it with a floating telescope, by looking at a nova cloud they claim is 6,500 light years away. Just ponder that for a minute...
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2013, 01:35:09 pm »

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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2014, 04:02:48 am »

North Korea confirms it has landed a man on the Sun

"This just in: North Korea has landed a man on the Sun. 17-year-old Hung Il Gong started his journey at 3am this morning, travelling alone, to reach our nearest star, a journey that took him just 4 hours.

A North Korean central news anchorman said during a live broadcast: "We are very delighted to announce a successful mission to put a man on the sun. North Korea has beaten every other country in the world to the sun. Hung Il Gong is a hero and deserves a hero's welcome when he returns home later this evening".

Hung is expected back on Earth in just a few hours time, where he will be greeted by his uncle, and supreme leader: Kim Jong-un. Hung traveled in the cover of darkness, as it would protect him from the harsh, and extreme temperatures of the Sun. Hung will also be bringing back some sun spot samples for his uncle, which I'm sure he will show off to the world in a short amount of time.

The North Korean central news agency is calling the 18-hour mission the "greatest human achievement of our time" - and so they should, landing a man on the Sun, a trip that took 18 hours return, is quite the achievement, all things considered. I wonder if Dennis Rodman considered this a slam dunk for the country."

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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2014, 11:55:02 am »

 Cheesy You so funny!

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January 24th, 2014, 12:33 GMT · By Laura Sinpetru

There is a piece of news that is now spreading like wildfire on the Internet, and folks on Reddit seem unable to get enough of it.

The news in question concerns North Korea's allegedly claiming that it had successfully landed a man on the sun, and then got him back home just in time for dinner.

The frenzy was started by Waterford Whispers News, whose staff published an article apparently detailing North Korea's space adventure this past January 21.

In its article, the publication wrote that the news concerning North Korea's success in landing a man on the sun was shared with the public by the country's central news agency.

It went on to say that the lucky individual was Hung Il Gong, and that his uncle was none other than Kim Jong-un.

Waterford Whispers News added that it only took Hung Il Gong 4 hours to reach the sun, and that the mission lasted for about 18 hours in total.

The astronaut is said to have traveled on a specially designed rocket, and to have used the cover of darkness (for those unaware, the sun turns off during nighttime) to avoid getting an unwanted tan.

While exploring the star, he collected sun spot samples that were meant as presents for Kim Jong-un.

North Korea is known to be a fan of propaganda, so quite a lot of people assumed that the country had in fact told the rest of the world that it had successfully completed this space odyssey.

It turns out these people could not have been more wrong and that, as surprising as this may sound, North Korea does have its limits when it comes to making outrageous statements.

Just to clear things out, the problem with this story is that Waterford Whispers News, whose staff, as already mentioned, first broke the news that North Korea had claimed sending a man to the sun,is an Irish satire publication.Otherwise put, neither has North Korea landed a man on said star, nor has the country said that it did. On the contrary, the news was a hoax, and quite a good one.

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Waterford Whispers News uses invented names in all its stories, except in cases when public figures are being satirized. Any other use of real names is accidental and coincidental.
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2014, 09:45:05 am »

Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say

Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating
There ya go. Radiocarbon dating which DOESNT WORK, disproves the Bible. This is a direct attack on the Bible. Nothing else. to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.         

“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

How do they know these are the oldest camel bones in the whole Arabian Peninsula?  Cheesy 

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Wait!!! So they have older camel bones, but they were wild camels.  Huh come on man... There is NO SCIENCE here. None what so ever.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

"The introduction of the camel to our region was a very important economic and social development," Ben-Yosef said. "By analyzing archaeological evidence from the copper production sites of the Aravah Valley, we were able to estimate the date of this event in terms of decades rather than centuries."

The arrival of domesticated camels promoted trade between Israel and exotic locations unreachable before, according to the researchers. Camels can travel over much longer distances than donkeys and mules, opening up trade routes like the Incense Road that stretched from Africa through Israel to India.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/06/camel-bones-suggest-error-in-bible/

Radiocarbon Dating only works if you dont know how old something is. Heck it will work 100% of the time. BUT if you know just how old something is, than all radiocarbon dating fails 100% of the time. Heck the C14 has never equalized in the atmosphere.  Cheesy

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Wait!!! So they have older camel bones, but they were wild camels.  Huh come on man...

 Cheesy Amazing how far science has come, that they can now tell domestic camel bones from wild camel bones! Amazing!
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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2014, 06:47:19 am »

Just to say before i post this, i did reach out to the author of this article and gave him the truth behind this, he did say he would look into it. So we will see, but until then this is always cropping up and it is 100% a fraud. Im only posting half the article, as i fully agree with the second half.

Why Does Ancient Art Contain Depictions Of Flying Aircraft, Helicopters And Dinosaurs?



The history of our planet is far more complex than most people would dare to imagine.  According to the commonly accepted version of history that is taught in high schools and colleges all over the United States, ancient man was a very simple creature with extremely limited knowledge.  Unfortunately for those that promote this flawed version of history, archaeologists keep digging up stuff that directly contradicts it.  The truth is that there is a tremendous amount of evidence of great intellectual achievement in the ancient world.  For example, just consider the Great Pyramid of Giza.  It is a true technological marvel.  It is such a massive structure built with such extraordinary precision that modern technology is only just now starting to catch up with it.  We think that we could possibly build a similar structure today if we wanted to, but modern man has never actually constructed anything like it.  And as you will see below, the Great Pyramid of Giza is far from the only example of advanced technology in the ancient world that we find in Egypt.

Posted below is a photograph of a wall in an ancient Egyptian temple at Abydos.  Look at the hieroglyphics very carefully.

Do you see anything strange?



Researcher Lyn Leahz wrote about these incredibly bizarre hieroglyphics the other day.  The following is what she had to say about them…

    Decorating an Egyptian temple wall at Abydos are strange hieroglyphics which depict what appears to be modern day aircraft. This finding has caused much controversy among Egyptologists and archaeologists who are not sure what to think. How could people 2-3,000 years ago possibly have known about modern-day aircraft?

    When Dr. Ruth Hover and her husband took a trip to the pyramids and temples of Egypt, they were shocked when they discovered, in the temple at Abydos, hieroglyphics depicting modern-day aircraft. She photographed a wall panel in a section where an overlaying panel with Egyptian hieroglyphics crumbled and fell, revealing an older panel beneath it. This older panel, shown above, contains images of what appear to be modern-day technology—a helicopter, a submarine, a glider, and another unknown type of aircraft (some believe resemble the Hindenburg).

So how do those promoting the commonly accepted version of history explain this?

They can’t.

In the video shared below, Lyn Leahz shares even more about these hieroglyphics and discusses additional “out of place artifacts” around the globe…



full article: http://thetruthwins.com/archives/why-does-ancient-art-contain-depictions-of-flying-aircraft-helicopters-and-dinosaurs

What we have here is a palimpsest, easiest meaning is its something that is written over on. Here at Abydos we have a hieroglyph that has been covered over and re written on. And over time with erosion it starts to mix. That is how we ended up with the "mysterious" pictures of helicopters, jets submarines and the land speeder from star wars.  Cheesy This isnt any of those things. Just a pure coincidence and a lot of pareidolia. This is in fact 2 names mixed together over time. Seti 1 and Ramses 2. Nothing else. And all those Ancient Aliens guys and especially Steve Quayle know this. But hey the truth doesnt sell books or TV shows.




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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2014, 06:57:25 am »

Here is one more that really just irks me to no end. You see these all over and the AA crowd has even made flying replicas of these things just to see if they could fly, after a lot of modification  Cheesy. But for this i will let Chris White explain this one as he did a superb job of it. Again a 100% fraud.





Section: Tolima – Gold Figurines.

Ancient Aliens: “Early in the 20th century, tomb robbers searching among the Magdalena River stumbled upon a grave site dating back 1,500 years to a pre-Columbian civilization known as the Tolima. Among the funerary objects found there were 100s of small 2-3 inch gold figurines.”

AA: “Many of those [figurines] looked like insects and fish. However, out of those 100s that they found, they also found about a dozen that are eerily reminiscent of modern-day fighter jets.”

Okay, so he admits that when these things were found there were hundreds of them that were clearly representing insects and animals and only about 10 of them that looked like jet airplanes.

Now, before we get into the specifics I want to appeal to your sense of logic. Almost all of these little figurines are depicting fish, birds, insects, lizards and frogs, and we can see when we look at the figurines where we know what they were trying to depict – like these frogs -we can see huge amounts of variation and clearly stylistic elements that are not found in nature.

So we know they weren’t trying to be ultra-realistic here, which you can see by looking at their depictions of this man, or this cat, or this alligator. The Tolima were artists, and like most artists they had a certain style that they brought to the subjects they were depicting.

Considering that all the other objects they found are animals, and considering the objects in question, like all the others, have eyes and teeth and so on, isn’t it more logical to assume that these objects are probably like all the others? That is, that they are also depicting some kind of animal in a stylized way?

Ahh, but wait, Ancient Aliens has a false dilemma for us.

AA: “They have nothing in common with anything similar in nature.”

AA: “There is not a single insect in the world which has got its wings at the bottom. Now, when you exclude the possibility that it’s an insect, one of the things which remain is that this thing is actually what it looks like – yes, a plane.”

Okay, let’s see if we have this logic straight.

Since no insect has these characteristics, it leaves us with only one other choice, which is an airplane? But I thought there were fish, birds, lizards, bats and cats found too in the other 100 figurines? It would seem to me that he is kind of skipping a few options here on his way to the airplane conclusion.

Let’s take the most famous one for example. This is the one we will see later that they made a model airplane out of. The tails of all these figures are vertical, which would make me think of fish, which also have vertical tails.

One fish that the Tolima would have been familiar with is the sucker mouth Catfish.[1] This might explain the round head and the big eyes, and even the small protrusions on the front of the fins. You can see that some varieties of this species of catfish have small protrusions on its fins as well.

When you look at the other gold figurines you can see that not only were fish a common subject, but many different species of fish were represented as well.

Because of the number and placement of the fins, fish are proposed for some of the other figurines as well. So when he says that no insect has its wings on the bottom so it must be an airplane, I can only see that line as deceptive considering the placement and angle of the fins are perfectly accounted for in many fish species that were available and important to the Tolima culture.[2] In other words, airplanes don’t have a monopoly on being aerodynamic.

To prove one of these figurines was aerodynamic which, according to Ancient Aliens proves it was a plane, they built a model of it. Here is what they say about it.

AA: “It was rather simple because we don’t need to put [many] parts into this shape because this shape is perfect. Everything was already done by the native people 2,000 years ago.”

AA: “They did not add an inch or remove an inch; they just essentially just blew the thing into a larger size. I mean, this is sensational.”

No they didn’t add an inch or remove an inch, unless you count things like totally removing the big curls on the front of the wings which would have rendered the model totally useless for flying. They also added curvature to the wings; they added flaps, a landing gear and, one more little thing, a propeller and an engine.

Finally, I want to appeal to your logic on the following point:

Consider that all we know about this culture reveals them to be simple farmers, fisherman, and artisans[3]; people that lived of the land and, considering that there is nothing in the extensive amount of archeological material from this culture that would suggest knowledge about planes landing and taking off all the time, is it logical to assume that aliens landing and taking off in their back yards made so little impression on them that they only devote 10 of the 100s of figurines to it, and only in one tomb?

Or is it more logical to assume that, just like the other hundreds of figurines with eyes and teeth and fins, that they are highly stylized animals, like fish, that they knew about and relied upon in their daily lives.

I think even a die-hard Ancient Astronaut theorist would have to admit that logic is not on their side on this one.

[1] Nelson, Joseph, S. (2006). Fishes of the World. John Wiley & Sons, Inc..

[2] Fishbase.org. “List of Freshwater Fishes for Colombia.” List of Freshwater Fishes for Colombia, August 15, 2007. http://fish.mongabay.com/data/Colombia.htm.

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pijao_people
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2014, 02:36:44 am »

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No they didn’t add an inch or remove an inch, unless you count things like totally removing the big curls on the front of the wings which would have rendered the model totally useless for flying. They also added curvature to the wings; they added flaps, a landing gear and, one more little thing, a propeller and an engine.

I too think it's a stretch to say the figurine is an airplane. The problem is that it doesn't look like much of any thing. There are similarities to several animals, but it's limited. The explanations this guy gave is weak at best.

What he doesn't understand is "flight theory". I can pretty much guarantee he hasn't had a single class on anything aviation. I have, and I totally disagree with him.

Take ANY of those figurines and try to get it to fly! Only ONE of them will do it, the "jet plane", which to me reminds me of an A-4 Skyhawk.



That said, I agree there has been no other artifacts revealed to back a culture knowing about flying. With such a fantastic feat, flying I think would have been more prominent in evidence they could fly.

And the curly things on the wings that the remote control plane didn't have? Those things would not have affected flight, at all. The author is an idiot that has zero understanding of flight theory. Just look at the above image of the figurines. Not one has curlys on the leading edge of the wings. In fact, that image shows none of them having the curly things, like the original figurine I've seen. That one has the curls on the trailing edge of the wings, which weren't used in the first trial flight of the model, which I saw demonstrated. It flew just fine.

Also, in order to fly, you MUST have flaps of some type to control lift, and landing gear to land, duh! And even without the engine, that thing would still "glide" because of it's shape. I'd say it wouldn't glide very good though. because it's body it too "heavy" and large, but instead should be much narrower and light in design.

Plane? Likely not. But the disputers need a better person to explain how it isn't a plane, because this guy is clueless about flight characteristics.
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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2014, 04:35:14 am »

uhm, its not a plane because its a fish.



i think he did a good job of explaining it.
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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2014, 04:44:46 am »

Yeah, I'd go with fish.

I stand corrected, this is the one they used for the show, but I was thinking those curls were on the trailing edge of the front main wings, not on the back horizontal stabilizers leading edge....



Anyway, those curls seems to suggest water flow, like swirls of water flowing over something.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2014, 10:05:35 am »

This fairy tale goes right along with all other radiometric stories. They are assuming that everything is how they think it should. That there was no lead there to begin with. No way of knowing that, and every time a radiometric test is carried out with a KNOWN age, the tests have failed 100% of the time every time with out fail. Same here. They even admit in the article that this rock was exposed to extra radiation, but they were pretty sure its still ok.  Cheesy really?

Confirmed: Oldest fragment of early Earth is 4.4 billion years old

Ever heard this life advice? When solving a big problem seems impossible, break it into smaller steps.

Well, scientists just took one of geology's biggest controversies and shrunk it down to atomic size. By zapping single atoms of lead in a tiny zircon crystal from Australia, researchers have confirmed the crystal is the oldest rock fragment ever found on Earth 4.375 billion years old, plus or minus 6 million years.

plus or minus 6 MILLION years, wish i had that kind of curve on my math when i was in school.  Roll Eyes 

"We've proved that the chemical record inside these zircons is trustworthy," said John Valley, lead study author and a geochemist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. The findings were published yesterday in the journal Nature Geoscience.

Remember that, he said these ones were trust worthy.

Confirmation of the zircon age holds enormous implications for models of early Earth. Trace elements in the oldest zircons from Australia's Jack Hills range suggest they came from water-rich, granite-like rocks such as granodiorite or tonalite, other studies have reported. That means Earth cooled quickly enough for surface water and continental-type rocks just 100 million years after the moon impact, the massive collision that formed the Earth-moon system. [How Was The Moon Formed?]

no one knows how the moon was formed scientifically,  Cheesy i know how it was formed, but ask an evolutionist and you get 100 different answers. Oh why isnt it spinning?  Cheesy

"The zircons show us the earliest Earth was more like the Earth we know today," Valley said. "It wasn't an inhospitable place."

woops, kind of shooting your self in the foot here. bet he will get reprimanded for saying that...  Shocked Thats a no no...

Dubious history
Zircons are one of the toughest minerals on the planet. The ancient Australian crystals date back to just 165 million years after Earth formed, and have survived tumbling trips down rivers, burial deep in the crust, heating, squeezing and a tectonic ride back to the surface. The Australian zircons, from the Jack Hills, aren't the oldest rocks on Earth those are in Canada but about 3 billion years ago, the minerals eroded out some of Earth's first continental crust and became part of a riverbed.

Geologists have carefully sorted out more than 100,000 microscopic Jack Hills zircons that date back to Earth's early epochs, from 3 billion to nearly 4.4 billion years ago. (The planet is 4.54 billion years old.) The crystals contain microscopic inclusions, such as gas bubbles, that provide a unique window into conditions on Earth as life arose and the first continents formed.

How did they come up with those dates to begin with? Oh that's right the fictions geological column. That means they just made up those dates. and thats a fact. 

Just three of the very oldest zircons have been found, ones that date back to almost 4.4 billion years ago. Their extreme age always makes the dates suspect, because of possible radiation damage. The radiation damage means the zircons could have been contaminated during their long lifetime.

hmmm, radiation damaged...

Zircons hold minute amounts of two naturally occurring uranium isotopes isotopes are atoms of the same element with different numbers of neutrons. Uranium radioactively decays to lead at a steady rate. Counting the number of lead isotopes is how scientists date the crystals. But as the uranium kicks out lead atoms, the radioactive decay releases alpha particles, which can damage the crystals, creating defects. These defects mean fluids and outside elements can infiltrate the crystals, casting doubt on any conclusions about early Earth based on the zircons.

More important, uranium and lead can move around within a crystal, or even escape or enter the zircon. This mobility can throw off the lead isotope count used to calculate the zircon ages, and is the source of the decades-long controversy over the Jack Hills zircons' Methuselah lifespan.

so because the uranium and lead can move that throws off the isotope count and gives an inaccurate long age... hmmm.. seems pretty suspect to begin with.

"If there's a process by where lead can move from one part of the crystal to another place, then the place where lead is concentrated will have an older apparent age and the place from where it moves will have a younger apparent age," Valley said.

yep doesnt seem to be very accurate.

Atom by atom
Valley and his co-authors hope to end the debate by showing that even though one of the oldest Jack Hills zircons suffered radiation damage,
Remember when he said these were trustworthy? and here he is admitting that these are radiation damaged, meaning that your going to get an older date already. The guy just lied. He said they were good, but here we are told they are damaged, and that damaged one give off older dates.
the lead atoms stayed in place. The researchers painstakingly counted individual lead atoms within the oldest-known zircon with a recently developed technique called atom-probe tomography. Inside the zircon, lead atoms clustered together in damage zones just a few nanometers wide. Imagine cliques of teens during high school lunch like teenagers, no lead atoms had left their zones.

"We've demonstrated this zircon is a closed geochemical system, and we've never been able to do that before," Valley said. "There's no question that many zircons do suffer radiation damage, but I think relative to these zircons, this should settle it once and for all," Valley told Live Science's Our Amazing Planet.

what? you think? your guessing?

The key finding, that lead atoms stick close to home inside this primeval zircon, means age estimates based on uranium-lead dating techniques are accurate, the researchers report. The lead hasn't wiggled around enough to throw off the ages. A typical age measurement, made with a machine called an ion probe, zaps zircon segments that are thousands of times larger than the damage clusters.

so hes saying he knows that these were damaged by radiation, which will give a longer age, and here is just counting them and saying they didn't move. come on man.. There is no way your test can even be considered accurate because you already KNOW that these have been exposed to an outside source of radiation already throwing off your test.

"This careful piece of work should settle the debate because it shows that indeed there is some mobility of lead, which was hypothesized to result in dates that were too old, but the scale of mobility is nanometers," said Samuel Bowring, a geochemist at MIT, who was not involved in the study."Even the smallest volumes analyzed with the ion probe average out the heterogeneities," or variations within the zircon.

The new atom-probe technique, while extremely laborious, can also be used to address questions of reliability at other sites where extremely old rocks have been found, the researchers said. [Have There Always Been Continents?]

Reliability of other sites? Dude this one wasn't reliable and you admitted it. This is the sad thing about these stories. People will see the head line and thats it. For starters they dont know if there was lead to begin with, and in every other radiometric dating this have proven to be true. 100% of the time every time. Same here, then they admit that it was exposed to extra radiation which will through the test off even more for a false date. But hey thats ok. This story is so false its amazing, must be why FOX is promoting it, as they have been attacking the Bible every chance they get here of late. 

"Good zircons are forever, and what this does is help us separate the wheat from the chaff in a way we could never do before," Valley said.

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This one isn't a fraudulent story, its truthful for once, but i think its really underestimating the issue.

Over 100 published science journal articles just gibberish

Do scientific papers ever seem like unreadable gibberish to you? Well, sometimes they really are.

Some 120 papers published in established scientific journals over the last few years have been found to be frauds, created by nothing more than an automated word generator that puts random, fancy-sounding words together in plausible sentence structures. As a result they have been pulled from the journals that originally published them.

The fake papers are in the fields of computer science and math and have titles such as “Application and Research of Smalltalk Harnessing Based on Game-Theoretic Symmetries”; “An Evaluation of E-Business with Fin”; and “Simulating Flip-Flop Gates Using Peer-to-Peer Methodologies.” The authors of those papers did not respond to requests for comment from FoxNews.com.

This is not the first time nonsense papers have been published.

heck no, its pretty much a racket.

In 1996, as a test, a physics professor submitted a fake paper to the philosophy journal Social Text. His paper argued that gravity is “postmodern” because it is “free from any dependence on the concept of objective truth.” Yet it was accepted and published.

But how could gibberish end up in respectable science papers?
How? Because most of it isnt real science to begin with.
 The man who discovered the recent frauds said it showed slipping standards among scientists.

"High pressure on scientists leads directly to too prolific and less meaningful publications," computer scientist Cyril Labbé of Joseph Fourier University in France, told FoxNews.com.

But he has no explanation as to why the journals published meaningless papers. $$$

"They all should have been evaluated by a peer-review process. I've no explanation for them being here. I guess each of them needs an investigation," he said.
that was the whole issue with publishing the works, so it could be peer reviewed.  Cheesy

The publishers also could not explain it, admitting that the papers “are all nonsense.”

“We are in the process of investigating… [and] taking the papers down as quickly as possible. A placeholder notice will be put up once the papers have been removed. Since we publish over 2,200 journals and 8,400 books annually, this will take some time,” Eric Merkel-Sobotta, a spokesman for the publisher Springer, which published 16 of the fake papers, told FoxNews.com.

The fraud was first reported in the journal Nature.

Labbé has made it his mission to detect fakes, and ironically has published a paper in a Springer journal about how to automatically detect fake papers. He also built a website that detects whether papers are computer generated.                                                                                     

“Our tools are very efficient to detect SCIgen papers and also to detect duplicates and plagiarisms,” Labbé said. SCIgen is the program that generates random papers.

Some professors said that pay rules that base professor salaries on the number of papers they publish may lead to fakes.

“Most schools have merit raise systems of some kind, and a professor’s merit score is affected by his or her success in publishing scholarly papers,” Robert Archibald, a professor of economics at the College of William and Mary, who studies the economics of higher education, told FoxNews.com.

He noted that because other professors may not read the paper, “publishing a paper that was computer-generated might help with merit pay.”

Labbé also said that overly numerical measures might encourage fraud.

“In aiming at measuring science it is perturbing science,” he said.

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Gay dads' brains show activity akin to both parents': study

Having a baby alters new mothers' brain activity, researchers have found, and a new study adds the first evidence of such changes in the brains of gay men raising children they adopted through surrogacy.

The men's pattern of brain activity resembles that of both new mothers and new fathers in the study.

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that means they are crazy as its an adoptive behavior and not inherent. they have been searching for anything for over 40 years, and all of a sudden this pops up.  Roll Eyes please. this is nothing. 
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Remember the ‘Hobbit’ Human Scientists Thought They Found? Well…

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Nearly a decade ago, researchers discovered the remains of what was thought to be a new human species and dubbed the “Hobbit” human for its short stature and small skull.

While the 2004 discovery on the Indonesian island Flores was hailed as “the most important find in human evolution for 100 years” at the time, more recent analysis debunks that Homo florensiensis was a distinct human species. A team of international researchers now think the 15,000-year-old bones represent someone who had Down syndrome.

“The skeletal sample from Liang Bua cave contains fragmentary remains of several individuals,” Robert Eckhardt, a developmental genetics and evolution professor at Pennsylvania State University, said in a statement. “[This skeleton specifically] has the only skull and thighbones in the entire sample.”

The bones of the skeleton, which was named LB1, only put the person at 3.5 feet tall. That and measurements of its skull were initially what led scientists to consider it a possible new species. But Eckhardt now say that the skull “falls in the range predicted for a modern human with Down syndrome from the same geographic region.” The thigh bone, which was used to estimate the person’s height, also would be shorter in a person with Down syndrome, the researchers pointed out.

In this case, Eckhardt said that “unusual does not equal unique.”

“The originally reported traits are not so rare as to have required the invention of a new hominin species,” he added.

As opposed to the skeleton representing a “Hobbit”-like species, Ekhardt said they found the “less strained explanation is a developmental disorder.”

The findings were published this week in two papers in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

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Im quite sure this goes on all the time in science

Major publisher retracts 43 scientific papers amid wider fake peer-review scandal

A major publisher of scholarly medical and science articles has retracted 43 papers because of “fabricated” peer reviews amid signs of a broader fake peer review racket affecting many more publications.

The publisher is BioMed Central, based in the United Kingdom, which puts out 277 peer-reviewed journals. A partial list of the retracted articles suggests most of them were written by scholars at universities in China, including China Medical University, Sichuan University, Shandong University and Jiaotong University Medical School. But Jigisha Patel, associate editorial director for research integrity at BioMed Central, said it’s not “a China problem. We get a lot of robust research of China. We see this as a broader problem of how scientists are judged.”

Meanwhile, the Committee on Publication Ethics, a multidisciplinary group that includes more than 9,000 journal editors, issued a statement suggesting a much broader potential problem. The committee, it said, “has become aware of systematic, inappropriate attempts to manipulate the peer review processes of several journals across different publishers.” Those journals are now reviewing manuscripts to determine how many may need to be retracted, it said.

Peer review is the vetting process designed to guarantee the integrity of scholarly articles by having experts read them and approve or disapprove them for publication. With researchers increasingly desperate for recognition, citations and professional advancement, the whole peer-review system has come under scrutiny in recent years for a host of flaws and irregularities, ranging from lackadaisical reviewing to cronyism to outright fraud.

Last year, in one of the most publicized scandals, the Journal of Vibration and Control, in the field of acoustics, retracted 60 articles at one time due to what it called a “peer review and citation ring” in which the reviews, mostly from scholars in Taiwan, were submitted by people using fake names.

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Mosasaurs Birth Mystery solved

The latest evidence collected by intricate scientific means reveals that the birthing methods of prehistoric Mosasaurs were unique. These giant marine lizards gave birth to their young in the ocean waters.

Researchers from Yale University and the University of Toronto have found out via complex heuristicstHAT WORD MEANS WE JUST MADE STUFF UP that the huge marine lizards known as Mosasaurs that used to inhabit the oceans of prehistoric times employed singular habits of giving birth to their young.

These sea creatures, which could grow to 50 feet in length, produced young lizards in the ocean depths instead of on the sandy beaches. Mosasaurs lived 65 million years ago and are only found in fossil form today. The only tthing you can learn from a fossil is that it DIED. You cannot even tell if it gave birth or not

Heres where hey start a fairy tail
Their’s was the age of the dinosaurs when the saurians and terrible lizards roamed the earth’s dense jungles and swamps and mammals were about the size of tiny shrews. Mosasaurs were the rulers of the oceans during the Mesozoic Era and their birthing methods remained a mystery until recently when scientists joined heads and put two and two together.

Most of the baby Mosasaur fossils belonged to samples collected a century ago. Way back then due to ignorance they were thought to belong to prehistoric birds. But today with the progress of science and the advantage of hindsight we know better.  Cheesy

The species fossils were found in regions that had been oceanic in nature in prehistoric times. This gave the vital clue that was the missing piece in the jigsaw puzzle of the Mosasaur. Whatever the case, means we really do not know one thing is for sure and that is that these giant ocean-faring lizards didn’t lay eggs but gave birth to live young in the context of the expansive waters of the oceans.this is impossible to know from a fossil, you would have to actually be there

Thus there is now solid proof notice that the did not present ANY proof what so ever in the article so far that the birthing process of Mosasaurs was not in the usual manner thought of by past paleontologists and marine biologists. These gargantuan beasts of the subterranean depths were like snakes in their sinuousness and were flesh-eaters to boot. now he just made that up right there.  Tongue

They were reptiles that grew to humongous sizes and were on the top of the food chain at least in the ocean waters that is. And they traversed the waters with agility and superior speed. They ate a Piscean diet that also included mollusks, turtles and giant prawns. NO WAY to know or prove any of that, but they didn't present any actual proof or evidence either.

They were vicious predators that could exert a tremendous pressure on their prey with their mandibles which were armed with pointed teeth. Today with our knowledge about these ancient creatures having undergone revision, the fields of paleontology and archaeology have been enriched for the better.  Cheesyyep still lying and making stuff up

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I've been studying about the whole genesis "gap" theory heresy recently - yes, alot of deceptions they push in this article, is pretty much the same thing I hear from these gap theory pushers.
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Started reading a new book. Nasa Mooned America - Ralph Rene. I came accross this passage here.

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This book was originally written because in 1990 NASA intended to take us to Mars the
same way they allegedly took us to the Moon. The week before I finished this new edition
NASA bravely announced that Martian life was found on a rock they found in the Antarctic.
WOW! According to their professionals this rock had smashed into Antarctica 13,000 years
ago after being blasted off Mars 17-million years ago by a meteorite. Therefore, since
Antartica accretes ice at the rate of 2 feet per year they must have found it at the 26,000 foot
level- which is rather difficult to do, because there is only 10,000 feet of ice there.

To put the icing on the NASA fruitcake, about a week later some lady astronomer
announced that she had located the Martian crater from which it was blasted. This means that
although the rock was in space with an unstable orbit for 16,987,000 years (it hit us didn't it?)
she was able to calculate backwards from the landing site of that rock. For starters she had to
know the exact time, direction, and velocity of the landing. Sure she does!

I have never heard that before in association with that meteor rock. So i had to see if it was true.

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In September 2005, Vicky Hamilton of the University of Hawaii at Manoa presented an analysis of the origin of ALH84001 using data from the Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey spacecraft orbiting Mars. According to the analysis, Eos Chasma in the Valles Marineris canyon appears to be the source of the meteorite.[7] The analysis was not conclusive, in part because it was limited to areas of Mars not obscured by dust.

The theory holds that ALH84001 was blasted off from the surface of Mars by a meteorite impact about 17 million years ago[8] and fell on Earth roughly 13,000 years ago.[9] These dates were established by a variety of radiometric dating techniques, including samarium-neodymium (Sm-Nd), rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr), potassium-argon (K-Ar), and carbon-14.[10][11] Other meteorites that have potential biological markings have generated less interest because they do not originate from a "wet" Mars. ALH84001 is the only meteorite collected from such a time period.[12]
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 Cheesy They actually have the nerve to say that.  Cheesy That is an impossibility! for starters, they say it blasted off of Mars 17 million years ago.  Roll Eyes and she was able to back track its telemetry or something? right.... This is all 100% a fraud. period. Vicky Hamilton is a LIAR and a FRAUD. But i guess those are the only 2 credentials you need to be a scientist.  Roll Eyes
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Cheesy Anytime i hear "millions of years" i know it is fraud but i'm 100% sure that i'm going to hear "millions of years" again.
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3.3 million years old stone tools found in Kenya

3.3 million years!!  They get that date from the geological column which some layer made up in the mid 1800's. It does not exist anywhere on the planet.

 In an accidental discovery that will upturn many existing theories, scientists have found stone tools dating back 3.3 million years in northwestern Kenya, the oldest such artifacts yet discovered. This age is long before the advent of modern humans. The tools, whose makers may or may not have been some sort of human ancestor, push the known date of such tools back by 700,000 years. The discovery is described in a new paper published in the leading scientific journal Nature.

They find stuff like this all the time, its called OOPARTS

The discovery is the first evidence that an even earlier group of proto-humans may have had the thinking abilities needed to figure out how to make sharp-edged tools. The stone tools mark "a new beginning to the known archaeological record," say the authors of a new paper.

"The whole site's surprising, it just rewrites the book on a lot of things that we thought were true," said geologist Chris Lepre of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and Rutgers University, a co-author of the paper who precisely dated the artifacts.

The new find came about almost by accident: Harmand and Lewis said that on the morning of July 9, 2011, they had wandered off on the wrong path, and climbed a hill to scout a fresh route back to their intended track. They wrote that they "could feel that something was special about this particular place." They fanned out and surveyed a nearby patch of craggy outcrops. "By teatime," they wrote, "local Turkana tribesman Sammy Lokorodi had helped [us] spot what [we] had come searching for."

By the end of the 2012 field season, excavations at the site, named Lomekwi 3, had uncovered 149 stone artifacts tied to tool-making, from stone cores and flakes to rocks used for hammering and others possibly used as anvils to strike on.

The tools "shed light on an unexpected and previously unknown period of hominin behavior and can tell us a lot about cognitive development in our ancestors that we can't understand from fossils alone," said lead author Sonia Harmand, of the Turkana Basin Institute at Stony Brook University and the Universite? Paris Ouest Nanterre.

Hominins are a group of species that includes modern humans, Homo sapiens, and our closest evolutionary ancestors. Anthropologists long thought that our relatives in the genus Homo - the line leading directly to Homo sapiens - were the first to craft such stone tools. But researchers have been uncovering tantalizing clues that some other, earlier species of hominin, might have figured it out.

The researchers do not know who made these oldest of tools. But earlier finds suggest a possible answer: The skull of a 3.3-million-year-old hominin, Kenyanthropus platytops, was found in 1999 about a kilometer from the tool site. A K. platyops tooth and a bone from a skull were discovered a few hundred meters away, and an as-yet unidentified tooth has been found about 100 meters away.

You cannot put the skull, a bone and a tooth together what so ever. But this is what they do all the time. these things were found a kilometer apart.  Roll Eyes

The precise family tree of modern humans is contentious, and so far, no one knows exactly how K. platyops relates to other hominin species. Kenyanthropus predates the earliest known Homo species by a half a million years. This species could have made the tools; or, the toolmaker could have been some other species from the same era, such as Australopithecus afarensis, or an as-yet undiscovered early type of Homo.

This section is total propaganda.

Lepre said a layer of volcanic ash below the tool site set a "floor" on the site's age: It matched ash elsewhere that had been dated to about 3.3 million years ago, based on the ratio of argon isotopes in the material. To more sharply define the time period of the tools, Lepre and co-author and Lamont-Doherty colleague Dennis Kent examined magnetic minerals beneath, around and above the spots where the tools were found.

They used K to Ar dating to get this age. This test is 100% false 100% of the time if you know how old the ash or volcanic rock is. PERIOD. Every time K to Ar is used it is a failure.

Lepre's wife and another co-author, Rhoda Quinn of Rutgers, studied carbon isotopes in the soil, which along with animal fossils at the site allowed researchers to reconstruct the area's vegetation. This led to another surprise: The area was at that time a partially wooded, shrubby environment. Conventional thinking has been that sophisticated tool-making came in response to a change in climate that led to the spread of broad savannah grasslands, and the consequent evolution of large groups of animals that could serve as a source of food for human ancestors.
along with animal fossils that means they also dated it by the fossils in the geological column, which dates the rock layers. This is circular reasoning.


One line of thinking is that hominins started knapping - banging one rock against another to make sharp-edged stones - so they could cut meat off of animal carcasses, said paper co-author Jason Lewis of the Turkana Basin Institute and Rutgers. But the size and markings of the newly discovered tools "suggest they were doing something different as well, especially if they were in a more wooded environment with access to various plant resources," Lewis said. The researchers think the tools could have been used for breaking open nuts or tubers, bashing open dead logs to get at insects inside, or maybe something not yet thought of.

They just made that stuff now

Earlier dating work by Lepre and Kent helped lead to another landmark paper in 2011: a study that suggested Homo erectus, another precursor to modern humans, was using more advanced tool-making methods 1.8 million years ago, at least 300,000 years earlier than previously thought.
Again pushing false dating to push the agenda of million of years.

"I realized when you [figure out] these things, you don't solve anything, you just open up new questions," said Lepre. "I get excited, then realize there's a lot more work to do."

I realize that when you tell lies your gonna get caught.

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Chimps have mental skills to cook: study

They're not likely to start barbecuing in the rainforest, but chimpanzees can understand the concept of cooking and are willing to postpone eating raw food, even carrying food some distance to cook it rather than eat immediately, scientists reported on Tuesday.

The findings, based on nine experiments conducted at the Tchimpounga Sanctuary in Republic of Congo and published in Proceedings of the Royal Society B, suggest that chimps have all the brainpower needed to cook, including planning, causal understanding, and ability to postpone gratification.

They do lack the ability to produce fire. But if they were given a source of heat, chimps "might be quite able to manipulate (it) to cook," said developmental psychologist Felix Warneken of Harvard University, who conducted the study with Alexandra Rosati.

"might be quite able to manipulate (it) to cook," So they cant actually cook.

Whilst the finding may seem esoteric, it lends support to the idea that cooking accelerated human evolution.Well there is the crux of this whole article. Cooked food is easier to digest, spurring the growth of large brains in our australopithecine ancestors,Never existed Harvard's Richard Wrangham proposed about a decade ago.

If chimps have the cognitive skills to cook,But you just said they didnt above, you stated they MIGHT be ABLE to Manipulate it, that isnt proof. australopithecines likely did, too,NO PROOF, just made that up said Wrangham, who was not involved in the study: Cheesy "It suggests that with a little extra brainpower, australopithecines could indeed have found a way to use fire to cook food." Chimps cant make fire, already established in the article.

Archaeological evidence suggests humans began using fire 1 million years ago. NO proof of that what so ever.

Some of the experiments confirmed studies by other scientists, such as that chimps prefer seared sweet potatoes to raw. But those tests did not test whether chimps have the mental chops to cook. Neither did this study. no chimps were actually cooking anything.

Other tests did. For instance, the scientists presented chimps with two containers. One yielded cooked food through a false bottom, not actually cooking, and one did not.

The chimps learned that one transforms potatoes from raw to cooked. Given a choice of which device to put food in, they almost always opted for the "cooker," showing they understood and willingly waited for the raw-to-cooked transformation.That isnt evidence of cooking! A dog can perform the same thing and will almost likely prefer the cooked food over the non cooked food. Does that mean a dog can cook? 

Chimps did not put pieces of wood that scientists gave them into the cooker, suggesting they grasped that only food can be cooked. Wow, this must have been a government study.

Surprisingly, since chimps usually eat food immediately, they were often willing to walk across a room to cook. When the first one did this, the scientists wondered if they had a single "chimpanzee genius," Warneken said. But others showed the same ability, understanding the idea of cooking and postponing gratification to do it.

Serious? ever hear of monkey see monkey do? Also we have been training chips for years. They star in their own TV shows. So is this really evidence of cooking? NO a chimp put food given to it in a box and cooked food comes out. Of course its going to prefer the cooked food. This isnt evidence of cooking or evolution.

There was no evidence, however, that they understood the concept of tipping. There is no evidence from this highly controlled test that chimps can cook. This article is a total lie and fraudulent. BUT hey this is modern science.

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Alien Life on a Comet? Microbe Musings About Philae Spark Skepticism

 The comet under study by the European Space Agency's Rosetta spacecraft and Philae lander is the latest target for claims about the possibility of alien life -- but those claims have already been met with skepticism.

The spark for the controversy came on Monday in the form of a presentation at the National Astronomy Meeting, held this week in Wales. And one of the instigators is a well-known figure in the debate over extraterrestrial life, Chandra Wickramasinghe, director of the Buckingham Center for Astrobiology.

He and a colleague, Max Wallis of the University of Cardiff in Wales, contend that characteristics of the dark, carbon-containing crust and underlying ice on Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko are consistent with an environment that could harbor microbes. Rosetta has been flying near the comet since last August, and in November it sent out Philae to make an unprecedented landing on the surface.

 "Rosetta has already shown that the comet is not to be seen as a deep-frozen inactive body, but supports geological processes and could be more hospitable to micro-life than our Arctic and Antarctic regions," Wallis said in a news release.

He and Wickramasinghe speculated that any microbial communities on the comet should become more active as the comet approaches the sun and warms up. "If the Rosetta orbiter has found evidence of life on the comet, it would be a fitting tribute to mark the centenary of the birth of Sir Fred Hoyle, one of the undisputable pioneers of astrobiology," Wickramasinghe said.

This week's presentation follows up on similar claims made in a research paper published months ago in the Journal of Astrobiology & Outreach. In that paper, Wallis and Wickramasinghe make the astrobiology connection based on the look of features observed on the comet's surface, rather than on any chemical analysis sent back by the Philae lander.

This isn't the first time Wallis and Wickramasinghe have made bold claims about life from space. Back in 2003, they contended that microbes could survive being blasted into space by an asteroid or comet impact. Wickramasinghe also has suggested that the SARS virus could have come from outer space, and that a meteor explosion was behind the weird red color in rain that fell on a region of southern India in 2001. (An Indian government report determined that the red stuff came from algal spores.)

That background, plus an alternate reading of the evidence from Rosetta, led University of Twente physicist Chris Lee to brand the latest claims from Wallis and Wickramasinghe as "breathtakingly stupid."   Cheesy

 On his Ars Technica blog, Lee said the buildup of carbon on Churyumov-Gerasimenko's surface is a well-known physical phenomenon that doesn't require biology. All you'd need to do is subject the frozen water and the organic molecules in the comet to the sun's radiation during the approach, he said.

"With such a reactive mix, almost any carbon layer with any structure you care to think of can and will form," Lee wrote. His prediction? "This claim will vanish, never to be heard from again."

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Flood Legends From Around the World

Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.

These flood tales are frequently linked by common elements that parallel the Biblical account including the warning of the coming flood, the construction of a boat in advance, the storage of animals, the inclusion of family, and the release of birds to determine if the water level had subsided. The overwhelming consistency among flood legends found in distant parts of the globe indicates they were derived from the same origin (the Bible's record), but oral transcription has changed the details through time.

Perhaps the second most important historical account of a global flood can be found in a Babylonian flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. When the Biblical and Babylonian accounts are compared, a number of outstanding similarities are found that leave no doubt these stories are rooted in the same event or oral tradition.



Example Flood Legends From Around the World
Africa
Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.

Asia
China
The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.

Babylon
Gilgamesh met an old man named Utnapishtim, who told him the following story. The gods came to Utnapishtim to warn him about a terrible flood that was coming. They instructed Utnapishtim to destroy his house and build a large ship. The ship was to be 10 dozen cubits high, wide and long. Utnapishtim was to cover the ship with pitch. He was supposed to take male and female animals of all kinds, his wife and family, provisions, etc. into the ship. Once ship was completed the rain began falling intensely. The rain fell for six days and nights. Finally things calmed and the ship settled on the top of Mount Nisir. After the ship had rested for seven days Utnapishtim let loose a dove. Since the land had not dried the dove returned. Next he sent a swallow which also returned. Later he let loose a raven which never returned since the ground had dried. Utnapishtim then left the ship.

Chaldean
There was a man by the name of Xisuthrus. The god Chronos warned Xisuthrus of a coming flood and told him to build a boat. The boat was to be 5 stadia by 2 stadia. In this boat Xisuthrus was to put his family, friends and two of each animal (male and female). The flood came. When the waters started to recede he let some birds loose. They came back and he noticed they had mud on their feet. He tried again with the same results. When he tried the third time the birds did not return. Assuming the water had dried up the people got out of the boat and offered sacrifices to the gods.

India
A long time ago lived a man named Manu. Manu, while washing himself, saved a small fish from the jaws of a large fish. The fish told Manu, "If you care for me until I am full grown I will save you from terrible things to come". Manu asked what kind of terrible things. The fish told Manu that a great flood would soon come and destroy everything on the earth. The fish told Manu to put him in a clay jar for protection. The fish grew and each time he outgrew the clay jar Manu gave him a larger one. Finally the fish became a ghasha, one of the largest fish in the world. The fish instructed Manu to build a large ship since the flood was going to happen very soon. As the rains started Manu tied a rope from the ship to the ghasha. The fish guided the ship as the waters rose. The whole earth was covered by water. When the waters began subsiding the ghasha led Manu's ship to a mountaintop.

Australia
There is a legend of a flood called the Dreamtime flood. Riding on this flood was the woramba, or the Ark Gumana. In this ark was Noah, Aborigines, and various animals. This ark eventually came to rest in the plain of Djilinbadu where it can still be found. They claim that the white mans story about the ark landing in the middle east is a lie that was started to keep the aborigines in subservience. This legend is undoubtedly the product of aboriginal legends merging with those of visiting missionaries, and there does not appear to be any native flood stories from Australia.

Europe
Greece
A long time ago, perhaps before the golden age was over, humans became proud. This bothered Zeus as they kept getting worse. Finally Zeus decided that he would destroy all humans. Before he did this Prometheus, the creator of humans, warned his human son Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha. Prometheus then placed this couple in a large wooden chest. The rains started and lasted nine days and nights until the whole world was flooded. The only thing that was not flooded was the peaks of Mount Parnassus and Mount Olympus. Mount Olympus is the home of the gods. The wooden chest came to rest on Mount Parnassus. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha got out and saw that everything was flooded. They lived on provisions from the chest until the waters subsided. At Zeus' instruction they re-populated the earth.

North America
Mexico
The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.

Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.

United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely parallels the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

Delaware Indians - In the pristine age, the world lived at peace; but an evil spirit came and caused a great flood. The earth was submerged. A few persons had taken refuge on the back of a turtle, so old that his shell had collected moss. A loon flew over their heads and was entreated to dive beneath the water and bring up land. It found only a bottomless sea. Then the bird flew far away, came back with a small portion of earth in its bill, and guided the tortoise to a place where there was a spot of dry land.

South America
Inca
During the period of time called the Pachachama people became very evil. They got so busy coming up with and performing evil deeds they neglected the gods. Only those in the high Andes remained uncorrupted. Two brothers who lived in the highlands noticed their llamas acting strangely. They asked the llamas why and were told that the stars had told the llamas that a great flood was coming. This flood would destroy all the life on earth. The brothers took their families and flocks into a cave on the high mountains. It started to rain and continued for four months. As the water rose the mountain grew keeping its top above the water. Eventually the rain stopped and the waters receded. The mountain returned to its original height. The shepherds repopulated the earth. The llamas remembered the flood and that is why they prefer to live in the highland areas.
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« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2015, 05:26:57 am »

did you put this in the right thread?
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2015, 10:36:37 am »

did you put this in the right thread?

Yes - b/c I had no idea(until a brother showed me this yesterday) that over the many years, there's been many other idle, albeit crafty tales over what the global flood was - which ended up making non-believers, evolutionists, etc using this as a strawman argument against Noah's global flood.. Come to think of it, when I was a young boy, I remember hearing alot of them.

Which is why I thought this goes in this thread.
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Yes - b/c I had no idea(until a brother showed me this yesterday) that over the many years, there's been many other idle, albeit crafty tales over what the global flood was - which ended up making non-believers, evolutionists, etc using this as a strawman argument against Noah's global flood.. Come to think of it, when I was a young boy, I remember hearing alot of them.

Which is why I thought this goes in this thread.

Actually after a full examination of the flood myths around the world, it shows that they have more in common than against. What this shows is a common original story, IE the actual flood story that was taken and dispersed around the world. Because the commonality is so strong that most creationist use that as a way to actually show that the flood story from the Bible is true. Heck its even integrated in the original Chinese Language.

 Why Does Nearly Every Culture Have a Tradition of a Global Flood?
by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
Evidence for Creation › Evidence from Science › Evidence from the Earth Sciences › The Global Flood Is the Key to the Past › Geological Evidence Indicates Rapid Formation

"Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (I Corinthians 1:20)

One of the strongest evidences for the global flood which annihilated all people on Earth except for Noah and his family, has been the ubiquitous presence of flood legends in the folklore of people groups from around the world. And the stories are all so similar. Local geography and cultural aspects may be present but they all seem to be telling the same story.

Over the years I have collected more than 200 of these stories, originally reported by various missionaries, anthropologists, and ethnologists.

While the differences are not always trivial, the common essence of the stories is instructive as compiled below:

    Is there a favored family? 88%
    Were they forewarned? 66%
    Is flood due to wickedness of man? 66%
    Is catastrophe only a flood? 95%
    Was flood global? 95%
    Is survival due to a boat? 70%
    Were animals also saved? 67%
    Did animals play any part? 73%
    Did survivors land on a mountain? 57%
    Was the geography local? 82%
    Were birds sent out? 35%
    Was the rainbow mentioned? 7%
    Did survivors offer a sacrifice? 13%
    Were specifically eight persons saved? 9%

Putting them all back together, the story would read something like this:

Once there was a worldwide flood, sent by God to judge the wickedness of man. But there was one righteous family which was forewarned of the coming flood. They built a boat on which they survived the flood along with the animals. As the flood ended, their boat landed on a high mountain from which they descended and repopulated the whole earth.

Of course the story sounds much like the Biblical story of the great flood of Noah's day. The most similar accounts are typically from middle eastern cultures, but surprisingly similar legends are found in South America and the Pacific Islands and elsewhere. None of these stories contains the beauty, clarity, and believable detail given in the Bible, but each is meaningful to their own culture.

Anthropologists will tell you that a myth is often the faded memory of a real event. Details may have been added, lost, or obscured in the telling and retelling, but the kernel of truth remains. When two separate cultures have the same "myth" in their body of folklore, their ancestors must have either experienced the same event, or they both descended from a common ancestral source which itself experienced the event.

The only credible way to understand the widespread, similar flood legends is to recognize that all people living today, even though separated geographically, linguistically, and culturally, have descended from the few real people who survived a real global flood, on a real boat which eventually landed on a real mountain. Their descendants now fill the globe, never to forget the real event.

But, of course, this is not the view of most modern scholars. They prefer to believe that something in our commonly evolved psyche forces each culture to invent the same imaginary flood legend with no basis in real history. Instead of scholarship, this is "willful ignorance" of the fact that "the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" (II Peter 3:5,6).

http://www.icr.org/article/why-does-nearly-every-culture-have-tradition-globa/


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