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« on: March 30, 2013, 01:55:42 am »


http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=301475
 
Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon: J'lem is on verge of signing agreement to formalize diplomatic relations with the Holy See.

After 14 years of glacial negotiations, Israel and the Vatican are on the verge of signing a long-elusive agreement that would formalize diplomatic relations, Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Tuesday.

Ayalon’s comments to The Jerusalem Post came after a meeting in Jerusalem of a working commission that has been trying to iron out various issues between Israel and the Holy See since 1999.

Israel and the Vatican established diplomatic ties in 1993.

“In the last four years a lot of ground has been covered, and after long, intensive and serious negotiations we have overcome most if not all the outstanding issues that have prevented signing of this agreement for so long,” Ayalon said.

He said the two sides were “on the verge of signing, subject to final approval by the government of Israel and the Holy See.”

Ayalon explained that the final agreement was not signed on Tuesday, because it was not appropriate for a caretaker government to sign the agreement, and that the actual acceptance and signing should be left to the next government.

“All the ground work is finished and I trust the new government will sign soon,
which is nothing short of a milestone in the relationship,” he said.

Ayalon, who has led the negotiations with the Vatican for the past four years, but will be leaving his post next week, said the conclusion of the agreement signifies a “real upgrade in relations between Israel and the Holy See, and between the Jewish people and one billion Catholics around the world, to the benefit of both sides.”

Ayalon and his counterpart from the Vatican, Ettore Balestrero, the under-secretary of the Holy See for the relations with states, issued a joint communiqué saying the joint commission that met on Tuesday “took notice that significant progress was made and looks forward to a speedy conclusion of the agreement.”

Jerusalem expects this agreement to improve relations not only with the Vatican, but also with other Catholic countries around the world for whom the Vatican’s position vis-a-vis Israel is important.

Over the years the discussions have centered around three main issues: the status of the Catholic Church in Israel; the issue of sovereignty over some 21 sites in the country, including the Cenacle – the site of the Last Supper on Mount Zion; and taxation and expropriation issues.

Ayalon said that agreements have been reached on each of the issues.

The most contentious was the issue of sovereignty over the Last Supper Room, with the Catholic Church demanding ownership, and Israel not willing to relinquish it. The two sides have essentially agreed to disagree on the matter, but not let it stand in the way of the overall accord.

While the Catholic Church does not pay taxes on its properties in Israel, under the agreement, religious institutions owned by the Holy See will be exempted from tax, just as synagogues and mosques are, but church-owned businesses will not.

The agreement also works out the issue of expropriating Church property for infrastructure purposes, with a list of five sites – including the Mount of Beatitudes and Capernaum near Lake Kinneret (the Sea of Galilee) and the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth – where land expropriation would not be allowed except for public safety in situations of emergency, and then only after coordination with the Church.
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 05:07:05 am »

No.

This is an on-going deal they've been working on for years. It's just the RCC trying to grab whatever they can get their hands on there. It's about the love of tourist money from the various "religious' sites in the Holy Land.

The "peace treaty" will involve among other things the rebuilding of the temple, and the reinstituting of temple worship.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 10:06:40 am »

Well, the AC is going to "confirm" the covenant for 7 years - to this day, I'm still trying to figure out what "confirm" really means...another meaning for making up the treaty? Or confirming a past covenant ala the Oslo Treaty?
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 02:50:25 pm »

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27 (KJB)

It's a week, not years, if this is what you were referring to.

Try looking up all verses with "confirm" in it, and may God give you understanding.

"If any of you lack wisdom..."
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 03:20:37 pm »

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27 (KJB)

It's a week, not years, if this is what you were referring to.

Try looking up all verses with "confirm" in it, and may God give you understanding.

"If any of you lack wisdom..."

There are 13 verses in the bible(both OT and NT) with the word confirm in them - thank you, after reading these verses, the Lord provided me with much better understanding concerning the meaning of this.

Anyhow, back to the discussion in the OP - this is BIG news(even though this isn't exactly the peace treaty, per se). Who knows how everything will turn out when the tribulation period kicks in, but my guess is that the Pope will have a big seat somewhere in Israel(as the false prophet, that is).
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 03:32:41 pm »

Sure, this kind of situation can happen as part of "beginnings of sorrows", and it can be a big event, even to the point of all out war with NK, but not THE event. In fact, as I understand it, we will see these type conflicts and bigger ones even, that aren't specifically THE tribulation events themselves, but a part of the "sorrows" events that have and will continue to take place and I believe increase in frequency. It's like the lead up events get bigger and more tragic as it gets closer, but none compare to the events of the gathering for the final battle.

"The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem." Lamentations 4:12 (KJB)
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 11:49:13 am »

Peres and Pope to Team up for Peace Process Resurrection

Peres, the pope and the word “peace’" are virtually interchangeable. All three of them get together next week to try to resurrect the peace process. And don’t forget Kerry is a Catholic more or less.

President Shimon Peres will visit Pope Francis at the Vatican next week in their first diplomatic meting, whose agenda includes the eternal pursuit for peace in the Middle East, “peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians,” the war against poverty and relations between Jews and the Vatican.

That is pretty hefty list, but wait. There is more.

The mayor of Assisi, where hundreds of Franciscan monks live, will present its first-ever Medal of Honor for Peace to President Peres for his “unique contribution to dialogue and the cause of peace.”

Everyone, perhaps even Peres himself, has lost count of all the peace awards he has received. Of course, he won the Nobel Peace Prize, but then again, so did Yasser Arafat.

With every peace award, peace seems to be further over the horizon, but that only makes people like President Peres, the pope and the U.S. State Dept. even more determined than ever to get there.

Every year, the “window of opportunity” is closing. Every year, this is the last chance.

Every year, a Palestinian Authority-Israeli peace agreement will be signed in a year.

Perhaps that is what keeps war in the shadow of peace. Or maybe that is what keeps peace in the shadow of war.

Either way, popes are just as good as Peres in preaching peace, pardon the p’s, please.

But, wait. There is more.

Peres will officially invite Pope Francis to visit the Holy Land.

Ouch.

Pope Francis has been to Israel before, when he was beginning his position as Provincial Superior of the Society of Jesus in Argentina

When?

He arrived just when the Yom Kippur War broke out, according to the Times of Israel.

So much for peace.

But, wait. There is more.

John Kerry, Hillary Clinton’s successor in going around the world in 80 hours 80 times year, also is Catholic, kind of. He does not back abortion but thinks women have the right to make that decision for themselves. That is grounds for automatic excommunication.

Nevertheless, he says he is Catholic, and he, the pope and Peres undoubtedly will be in communication to resurrect their favorite hobby, the peace process. Kerry needs it more than anyone, because without it, he would have to stick to less enjoyable jobs, such as making peace with chemical weapons, teaching the Muslim Brotherhood all about democracy, and convincing himself that Iran is just another tolerant Muslim country that really likes Jews and Christians, especially Catholics.

Israel already is getting geared up for pope’s visit, which may happen later this year.

The pope really has excited Israeli officials.

Etzion Evrony, Israel’s ambassador to the Vatican, recently met with Pope Francis after his installation.

The pope greeted him in Hebrew. Wow.

He said  “Shalom.”

That means “peace.”

It also means “hello.”

And it also means “goodbye.”

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/peres-and-pope-to-team-up-for-peace-process-resurrection/2013/04/25/
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Arab League Sweetens Israel-Palestinian Peace Plan

The Arab League's decision to sweeten its decade-old proposal offering comprehensive peace with Israel has placed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a bind and swiftly exposed fissures in his new government.
 
Netanyahu's chief peace negotiator on Tuesday welcomed the modified Arab proposal, while the prime minister remained silent, reflecting the internal divisions that lie ahead as the U.S. tries to restart long-frozen peace talks with the Palestinians.
 
"This is a positive announcement," negotiator Tzipi Livni told Channel 10 TV, adding it gave "tail wind" to peace efforts. "At the end you need a direct negotiation between the Israelis and the Palestinians."
 
The original 2002 Arab peace initiative offered Israel peace with the entire Arab and Muslim world in exchange for a "complete withdrawal" from territories captured in the 1967 Mideast war. The Palestinians claim the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, all seized by Israel in 1967, for their future state.
 
The initiative was revolutionary when it was introduced by Saudi Arabia's then crown prince, King Abdullah, and endorsed by the 22-member Arab League. The 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation later endorsed the plan as well. However, it was overshadowed by fierce Israeli-Palestinian fighting at the time and greeted with skepticism by Israel.
 
In Washington Monday, Qatari Prime Minister Sheik Hamad Bin Jassem Al Thani tried to allay some of the Israeli concerns. Speaking on behalf of an Arab League delegation, he reiterated the need to base an agreement between Israel and a future Palestine on the 1967 lines, but for the first time, he cited the possibility of "comparable," mutually agreed and "minor" land swaps between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
 
Sheik Hamad spoke after talks with Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who has been pushing Arab leaders to embrace a modified version of the Arab peace plan as part of a new U.S.-led effort to corral Israel and the Palestinians back into direct peace talks. The changes are meant to win Israeli support by allowing it to keep parts of the West Bank and east Jerusalem as part of an agreement.
 
In Washington, Kerry called the changed language a "very big step forward."
 
"This is literally a statement by the Arab world that they're prepared to make peace, providing the Palestinians and Israelis reach a final status agreement," he told reporters Tuesday at the State Department after meeting Spain's foreign minister.
 
"I don't underestimate the significance of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Arab Emirates, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and others coming to the table and saying, 'We are prepared to make peace now in 2013,'" he said. Still, he said much more was left to do.
 
"We have a lot of homework to do, a lot of tough hurdles to get over, but each step forward is the way you get there," Kerry said.
 
The gesture immediately put Netanyahu in a difficult position. A cool reception to the Arab League could reinforce the international perception that Netanyahu is not serious about pursuing peace. President Barack Obama has already endorsed the 1967 lines as the basis for talks, and past negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians have endorsed the concept of small land swaps.

But forces in Israel could doom the plan before it ever gets off the ground. Netanyahu himself has repeatedly said the 1967 frontiers would put Israel's security in danger and said he is not bound by any concessions made by his predecessors. In addition, the hard-liners who dominate his coalition would resist the concessions required by the Arab plan.
 
Netanyahu's office declined requests for comment Tuesday. But Cabinet minister Silvan Shalom, a senior member of Netanyahu's Likud Party, played down the Arab League's decision, saying, "there is nothing new here."
 
"In principle, I support renewing the process. Of course, I don't accept the 1967 lines," he told Israel Radio. "If the Arab League wants to be a partner to this process, then we welcome it, but this is not negotiations."
 
At the same time, the more dovish members of his coalition are likely to press Netanyahu to embrace the latest Arab approach.
 
Livni, while acknowledging that Israel had concerns about some of the details of the Arab initiative, said Israel must nonetheless respond positively. "It's good news that should be welcomed," she said in a Facebook post.
 
She noted that the plan gave the Palestinians important backing from the broader Arab world to make small concessions on the border issue, while it sent an important message to Israel that peace with the Palestinians means peace with the entire Arab world. "I hope that the message that comes from Qatar will help launch the negotiations as soon as possible."
 
Livni also served as chief negotiator during the last serious round of talks, in 2008, under then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Both sides have said they made great progress toward a final border deal based on the 1967 lines.
 
Yesh Atid, a centrist coalition partner, could also put pressure on Netanyahu to embrace the Arab plan. Party leader Yair Lapid has said he would demand the government conduct a "serious" peace process with the Palestinians. He has also endorsed the concept of land swaps so that Israel can keep certain Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
 
Dov Lipman, a Yesh Atid lawmaker, said the party had not yet formulated a formal response to the Arab initiative, but said it was "very consistent" with the party's platform. "We need to be negotiating. It's the only way to solve the conflict," he said.
 
And President Shimon Peres, a Nobel peace laureate, said the Arabs' decision provided a new chance to restart peace talks. "The ministers of the Arab League once again expressed their support for the two state solution, which is also accepted by us and a broad structure of support is being created for making progress," he said during a meeting with Pope Francis at the Vatican.
 
Members of the opposition Labor Party urged Netanyahu to accept the Arab initiative.
 
"I think the Israeli government should embrace it with both hands," said Erel Margalit, a Labor lawmaker. "This is the breakthrough we have been looking for."
 
Margalit said he was in the process of forming a parliamentary lobby to support the initiative, and said Labor would support Netanyahu from the opposition if he embraced the plan.
 
Negotiations have been frozen since late 2008, in large part because of continued Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.
 
Agreeing on the contours of future borders could resolve the settlement dispute at the outset of talks. The Arab initiative in effect endorses the Palestinian position on borders, while offering Israel the vision of a broader regional peace.
 
While the Palestinians voiced objections to modifying the Arab League plan, their chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, said Tuesday that the Palestinians supported the new proposal.
 
"Israeli rejection of this initiative shows once again that the Israeli government lacks of a peace plan," he said in a statement. "Rather, it is fully engaged in further colonization and attacks against Palestinian rights and regional stability."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-negotiator-welcomes-arab-peace-plan-19072448
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 01:01:55 am »

I was reading that part in Daniel again recently, and tell me if I'm going crazy, but I realized something about that verse.

It says, "confirm the covenant". As in, confirm THE covenant. Not just confirm A covenant. It's gonna be much more than just a peace treaty, no?
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 01:06:41 am »

I was reading that part in Daniel again recently, and tell me if I'm going crazy, but I realized something about that verse.

It says, "confirm the covenant". As in, confirm THE covenant. Not just confirm A covenant. It's gonna be much more than just a peace treaty, no?

Yeah, the NIV uses "a" - the correct translation, as the KJV says it, is "the".

Yes, wouldn't think it would be some "peace treaty", per se, I agree.

Good catch there! Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 04:31:32 am »

I was reading that part in Daniel again recently, and tell me if I'm going crazy, but I realized something about that verse.

It says, "confirm the covenant". As in, confirm THE covenant. Not just confirm A covenant. It's gonna be much more than just a peace treaty, no?

since peace treaties have been going on for the last thousands of years i think that this covenant thing is going to be something special and will affect Israel in a major way.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 06:43:00 am »

It's all about Israel. This whole deal is.

And the treaty/covenant is about Israel being allowed certain things, like rebuilding of the temple and temple worship, which the Antichrist will renege on the deal not long after they make the deal.

It will be THE deal of the ages between men.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 08:56:28 pm »

Strong's "confirm" of Daniel 9:27 is
#1396 gabar - to be strong; to prevail, act insolently; be stronger; be valiant.

Insolent -  rude; arrogant; insulting

Seems to mean it will be done against the wishes of most.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 11:37:35 pm »

Strong's "confirm" of Daniel 9:27 is
#1396 gabar - to be strong; to prevail, act insolently; be stronger; be valiant.

Insolent -  rude; arrogant; insulting

Seems to mean it will be done against the wishes of most.

Excellent, thank you for this! Smiley

Yeah, what was concerning me for a long time now were end times watchmen(no, not just people on the airwaves, but Christians including myself as well who are watching in these potential last days) looking primarily at Obama trying to hammer out some "peace treaty" in the ME, thinking it would be the 7 year Daniel 9:27 covenant.

Yes, Obama is this country's most wicked President ever, but let's not forget that he's merely continuing the NWO agendas carried over from previous Presidents, albeit given that prize of having that final hammer in the coffin. Otherwise he's really doing nothing new(ie-Reagan did a lot of his share).

Anyhow, yeah, looks like Strong's does a good job here defining "confirm" - didn't think it would mean to confirm something already existing, per se.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2013, 05:11:22 am »

Yes, Obama is this country's most wicked President ever, but let's not forget that he's merely continuing the NWO agendas carried over from previous Presidents, albeit given that prize of having that final hammer in the coffin. Otherwise he's really doing nothing new(ie-Reagan did a lot of his share).

Absolutely! 100% agree.
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