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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2014, 10:23:09 pm »

im sorry, what is pre wrath?

You watch Chris White's vids right? (you posted his latest vid) He has a full presentation on the pre-wrath position, and I think he does an excellent job explaining it. Though I have a few differences in my view of pre-wrath than him.

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The whole thing is called the WRATH OF GOD.

Not necessarily. The day of the Lord is called the wrath of God. Zephaniah 1:15 says, "That day is a day of wrath..." Notice that "wrath" is specifically mentioned in four places during the time of Jacob's trouble:

1. When the 6th Seal is opened (the great day of his wrath is come)

This means that before the 6th seal, the wrath of the Lamb/Jesus/God the Son hadn't occurred yet, but now that day is come.

2. After the 7th Trumpet is sounded (The nations were angry, and thy wrath is come)

This means that the day of God's wrath has come immediately after the 7th trumpet and not before it.

3. When the angel warns men not to receive the mark of the Beast (The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God)

This means that the wrath of God will come down on those that take the mark (not those who don't. It also is an indicator that God's wrath hasn't been revealed yet.

4. The 7 Vials (for in them is filled up the wrath of God)

Pretty self explanatory. The 7 vials are God's wrath being "poured out without mixture."

Also, if the time of Jacob's trouble is the day of the Lord, how can Elijah show up DURING the day of the Lord, when God tells us clearly he will arrive BEFORE it?

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

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see the other vid, the one about the trumpets. The last trumpet has never been the 7th trumpet of Rev.

All that tells me is that the 7th trumpet isn't the rapture (which is still debatable, seeing as how Chris got the Feast of Trumpets part wrong. See Leviticus 23:24 about that) it doesn't tell me WHAT Revelation 10:7 and Revelation 11:15-18 is describing.

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What is the "mystery of God?" What is the "voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound?" And why are they so similar in wording to what happens in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16?

Revelation 11:15-18
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Who is He giving reward to? Why is this "the time of the dead, that they should be judged?"

Please, I beg of you, answer my questions. I want to believe pre-trib, but I won't until I've been convinced through scripture that it is 100% correct.
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