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« on: June 08, 2013, 11:39:46 am »

Secession Plan Floated By Some Northern Colorado Leaders

Several Colorado counties that strongly oppose increased regulation of the oil and gas industry say they want to form their own state.
 
They are planning on calling it North Colorado or Northern Colorado.
 
The counties are frustrated with the new agricultural and energy bills that have recently been signed into law.
 
“We really feel in northern and northeastern Colorado that we are ignored — citizens’ concerns are ignored, and we truly feel disenfranchised,” Weld County Commissioner Sean Conway told CBS4.

Conway said the new laws don’t support the interests of the northern part of the state, which is rich in agricultural history. Conway said that’s why he and others are proposing to break away from Colorado to form a new state.


 
“This is not a stunt. This is a very serious deliberative discussion that’s going on,” he said. “There’s a real feeling that a lot of folks who come from the urban areas don’t appreciate the contribution that many Coloradans contribute.”
 
Parts of Nebraska are also apparently interested in joining in on what would be a new state.
 
Conway says five of the current 50 states were created through a similar process. He says the proposal is “likely” to end up on a Colorado ballot this fall.
 
“The whole purpose of doing this is to preserve an agricultural way of life and to protect the energy sector, that we feel is very much under assault,” Conway said.
 
Rep. Cory Gardner, the Republican Congressman from Yuma, told The Coloradoan in Fort Collins he’s not sure how he’d vote on such a measure, but he says he understands why the measure is being floated at this time. He says Democratic leaders controlling the state Legislature and the governor’s office have not been listening to their constituents in rural parts of the state.
 
The Coloradoan reported that the following Colorado counties in addition to Weld County would be involved in the discussion: Morgan, Logan, Sedgwick, Phillips, Washington, Yuma and Kit Carson.
 
If voters in those counties decide they want to move forward, then the county commissioners would ask state lawmakers to approve the plan, and then petition Congress for statehood.

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 11:50:11 am »

Before I was saved during the last "Secession" talk I was interested and kept up with it. Now I realize that none of these talks should really be taken seriously. Personally I think Colorado is not big enough of a state to merit it being split into two.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2013, 02:11:56 pm »

Before I was saved during the last "Secession" talk I was interested and kept up with it. Now I realize that none of these talks should really be taken seriously. Personally I think Colorado is not big enough of a state to merit it being split into two.

Also to add - I don't know if a lot of this is either serious or just lip service, but nonetheless this whole "secession" movement started since Obama came into office.

Pt being that Obama is set up to be THE perfect puppet to get Civil War/Martial Law ignited. For example, with all of the rumors and reports over how Obama is going to go around confiscating everyone's guns and tear down the 2nd Amendment(hence all of these gun sales hitting record highs since he got in)...let's not forget that RONALD REAGAN, George HW Bush, and Mitt Romney did their share pushing through strict gun control laws. When Reagan was gov of CA, he got a 15 day waiting period to pass, and then a 7 day waiting period when he was President. He also played a big role lobbying Congress when Clinton pushed a ban on assault weapons. Ditto Mitt Romney - and not only this, but remember Obamacare is modeled after Mitt's Romneycare in MA.

Ditto the abortion debate - when George W. Bush was President, despite the fact that he funded MILLIONS to Planned Parenthood, and appointed TWO pro-abortion USSC justices(Roberts and Alito), you didn't hear a chirp or "let's put up a fight!" from these "pro-family" groups...but all of a sudden, they're acting like Obama is doing all of the damage alone? And never mind Reagan passing a big abortion bill when he was gov of CA in the late 60's - if anything, this ended up opening the floodgates to get Roe V Wade the law of the land over the long haul.

Pt of all of this is why are these pro-life, pro-gun, pro-family, etc groups waiting until NOW to express their outrages? No, I'm not saying Obama is good or anything(he's the most evil President, won't deny that), but Obama is just MERELY doing what his predecessors have done - push these liberalism agendas to the max - albeit he's been given the prize of having that final hammer in the coffin. But nonetheless, during the 2008 election campaign in particular, there was a reason why the NWO-runned media kept painting him as the next Hitler, Mao, and even the Rev 13 Antichrist...to inject fear into the masses and get them worked up.

And as for Obama being our "First gay President"? Well, when Reagan was gov of CA, he opposed a Prop initiative that would have banned homosexuals working in CA's public schools.(and he also confided to his daughter Patti that gay couples are OK) And there's a lot of homosexual activity reported at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

And finally, never mind Reagan and Bush Sr raising taxes numerous times, and George Jr throwing away $1 trillion after lying to the public about WMDs in Iraq.

Dunno how everything will play out - but what Obama is doing is really nothing new - as we can see, he is being set up to be that perfect puppet to lead the charge in a potential Civil War/Martial Law scenario.

"let not your hearts be troubled..."
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 12:20:04 pm »

Northern California County Board Votes For Secession From State

A far Northern California county where residents have complained they lack representation at the state capitol wants to separate from California.
 
The Record Searchlight of Redding reports that the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 on Tuesday in favor of a declaration for secession.
 
According to the newspaper, residents of the majority Republican county lobbied the board in August to consider secession. In addition to a lack of representation in Sacramento, they cited concerns about water rights and a rural fire prevention fee approved by the legislature.

Supporters want other rural counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon to join them in the creation of a new state.
 
But splitting from California would not be easy. Siskiyou County would have to gain the approval of the state legislature and U.S. Congress.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/04/northern-california-county-board-votes-for-secession-from-state/
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 06:08:38 am »

How the Secession Movement Could Break Up the US

If you mention the word secession most people think of the South during the Civil War. But today, a new movement is gaining steam because of frustration over a growing, out-of-control federal government.

A number of conservative, rural Americans are taking about seceding and creating their own states, meaning a new map of the United States of America could include the following:

    A 51st state called Jefferson, made up of Northern California and Southern Oregon
    A new state called Western Maryland
    A new state called North Colorado

These are real movements gaining traction with voters across the country. Jeffrey Hare runs the 51st State Initiative in Colorado, an effort to fight an out-of-control legislature trying to ram big government policies down the throats of voters.

"We're at this point of irreconcilable differences," Hare told CBN News.

Secessionist talk has filled town hall meetings and the divide discussed is not just ideological.

"It's predominately left versus right, but it's urban versus rural because you typically find more typical conservative values in rural America," Hare said.

An Attack on Colorado?

That's the crux of the issue. Rural Americans across many states feel they're not being heard. Their laundry list is long and at the top of that list are stricter gun control laws.

According to Weld County, Colo., Sheriff John Cooke, the state legislature is out of control.

"They are out of touch with rural Colorado," he said. "There is an attack on rural Colorado and it's not just on gun control laws. It's on several of the other bills that they passed."

Government mandates on renewable energy, environmental policies restricting oil and gas drilling, and controversial social issues like gay marriage have also led to this divide and talk of secession.

Organizers want to create "North Colorado," an idea that went to voters in 11 counties this past fall. But not everyone in Colorado thinks secession is a great idea.

"I don't think that's necessarily the way to make something happen within the area you live," Colorado resident Greg Howe told CBN News. "You're supposed to work within our electoral services."

The so-called secession movement in Colorado had mixed results this past November. Some counties approved it. Others didn't.

But the organizers of the 51st State Initiative are undaunted, saying this type of movement takes time.

"Movements take a while; education takes time," Hare said. "People do have a hard time saying ,'I want to live in a different state,' even though physically they live in the same house."

"It's hard for them since their lives have been Coloradoans," he explained. "Their whole lives to say that 'I'm going to be a new Coloradoan' or 'I want to live in the state of liberty' or something different."

An 'Amicable' Divorce

That desire for something different can also be felt in Arizona, Michigan, and in Western Maryland where thousands have signed secession petitions.

One website reads, "We intend to exercise our right of self-determination and self-governance to better secure our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Scott Strzelczyk, the leader of the Western Maryland movement, is ready to get going.

"If they are not going to listen or take our needs into consideration and govern in a way that's more in accordance with the way we want to be governed we are seeking an amicable divorce," he said.

Meanwhile, in Northern California and Southern Oregon, activists want to come together in the state of "Jefferson."

Their proposed state flag includes two "Xs," representing their feeling of being double-crossed by the state capitals of Sacramento, Calif., and Salem, Ore.

No Small Task

Creating a new state isn't easy. The last time a state actually gave up territory was in 1820, when Maine split from Massachusetts. Since then, additional efforts have been unsuccessful.

The first step is getting it passed by the state legislature and then the U.S. Congress.

"This is a valid constitutional process that our founding fathers specifically wrote into the Constitution," Hare said. "Well, if they didn't write this into the Constitution to be used, then why did they write it in?"

But supporters have an uphill battle since the media will not be their friend.

"The danger is once the outside media start to grab hold of it, the attention is on the difficulty, the almost impossibility of it happening," professor Derek Everett, with Metropolitan State University in Denver, explained.

Voter 'Disconnect'

State secession proponents, like Roni Bell Sylvester of Colorado, say they will keep fighting because the dismissive attitude of state legislative bodies must end.

"I find the sort of arrogant, dismissive to be further proof as to just how disconnected the urban is from the rural," Sylvester said.

Movements like the one in Colorado and other states could be just the beginning—at least that's the talk at town hall meetings in places like Colorado and elsewhere.

It's called 'voter disconnect" where the people say they've had enough and are crying out for something to be done.

"We, at some point, have to figure out a way to get our point across or at least be able to have a dialogue and not be ignored because you haven't seen anything yet over the next 5 to 10 years," one resident warned at a recent town hall meeting in Colorado.

As for Hare, he said it boils down to one simple concept.

"I think ultimately what people want, whether you look at it from a right or left paradigm, is government to stay out of their business," he said.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 01:10:44 pm »

If people insist on doing the whole secular government thing, then Americans REALLY need to re-read this...
(By the way, it's from the US Declaration of Independence for the uninformed)

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 06:13:16 am »

Ad company takes down Southern secession billboard

 The head of the Confederate League of the South says an advertising company has removed a highway billboard that advocated a Southern secession from the United States.

Michael Hill is president of the Confederate League of the South. He said Monday that Lamar Advertising Co. took down the billboard along Interstate 85 in Montgomery following complaints. The billboard had the word "secede" in capital letters, along with the league's name and website.

The sign went up Friday and was removed over the weekend.

Hill said the company offered a refund, but that wasn't necessary since he had yet to pay.

A Lamar Advertising executive did not return a message seeking comment.

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