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« on: June 21, 2013, 02:56:47 pm »

House committee OKs Texas abortion regulations

A Texas House committee has approved new restrictions on abortions in the state, after cutting short an 11-hour hearing and denying hundreds of people the opportunity to testify against them.
 
House Affairs Committee Chairman Byron Cook held a perfunctory meeting Friday to approve all of the measures, with Republicans voting for the measures and Democrats opposing. The vote came after hundreds of abortion rights supporters packed a hearing Thursday until 3:30 a.m. Friday morning.
 
Opponents hoped to stall the measures, but Cook cut off public testimony saying it was becoming repetitive. Houston Democrat Jessica Farrar said in 20 years she'd never seen a chairman cut short testimony.
 
The proposed laws would limit what clinics and doctors can perform abortions, and ban them after 20 weeks instead of 24.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 03:26:41 pm »

Odd how Perry and the GOP-lead TX legislature waited until Obama's SECOND term to push for this. Wonder why they didn't do anything when his colleague Bush II was in office.

President George W. Bush did not introduce, lobby for, nor sign any law that acknowledged the right to life and so could stop the killing of even a single child. Instead he had an enormous pro-abortion influence, e.g., giving Planned Parenthood hundreds of millions of dollars more than did even Bill Clinton.
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The proposed laws would limit what clinics and doctors can perform abortions, and ban them after 20 weeks instead of 24.

So that's it? They can keep them open as long as they follow certain "restrictions", and they lowered the ban on abortions from 24 to 20 weeks?

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 07:18:13 am »

Texas abortion bill falls after challenge

Despite barely beating a midnight deadline, hundreds of jeering protesters helped stop Texas lawmakers from passing one of the toughest abortion measures in the country.
 
As the protesters raised the noise to deafening levels in the Texas Senate chamber late Tuesday, Republicans scrambled to gather their colleagues at the podium for a stroke-of-midnight vote.
 
"Get them out!" Sen. Donna Campbell shouted to a security guard, pointing to the thundering crowd in the gallery overhead that had already been screaming for more than 10 minutes.
 
"Time is running out," Campbell pleaded. "I want them out of here!"
 
It didn't work. The noise never stopped and despite barely beating the midnight end-of-session deadline with a vote to pass the bill, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said the chaos in the chamber prevented him from formally signing it before the deadline passed, effectively killing it.
 
Dewhurst denounced the protesters as an "unruly mob." Democrats who urged them on called the outburst democracy in action.
 
In either point of view, a raucous crowd of chanting, singing, shouting demonstrators effectively took over the Texas Capitol and blocked a bill that abortion rights groups warned would close most abortion clinics in the state.
 
"They were asking for their voices to be heard," said Sen. Wendy Davis of Fort Worth, who spent nearly 11 hours trying to filibuster the bill before the outburst. "The results speak for themselves."

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 08:12:18 am »

I'm from Texas so the local news here broadcasted this little sideshow - just proves right there that the political arenas on both the national and local levels are nothing more than WWE sideshows.

This is just ridiculous - I had no idea you can filibuster something by talking your head off for hours on end. I just can't imagine anyone saying something coherently rational for even more than an hour.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 08:33:41 am »

I'm from Texas so the local news here broadcasted this little sideshow - just proves right there that the political arenas on both the national and local levels are nothing more than WWE sideshows.

This is just ridiculous - I had no idea you can filibuster something by talking your head off for hours on end. I just can't imagine anyone saying something coherently rational for even more than an hour.

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Really? as that is the whole reason for a fillibuster, sadly that ISNT what you had here. What you had was a bunch of Ballam worshipping witches in the balcony and around the floor hollaring and yelling. That isnt a fillibuster.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2013, 08:38:39 am »

Really? as that is the whole reason for a fillibuster, sadly that ISNT what you had here. What you had was a bunch of Ballam worshipping witches in the balcony and around the floor hollaring and yelling. That isnt a fillibuster.

Well yeah, that's what I was trying to say - I had no idea you could filibuster anything doing THAT, and to boot I can't imagine anyone saying anything decently coherently for even 1 hour, much less many hours like they did.

Which was why I said it was like watching the WWE.

And it happened in the STATE OF TEXAS - no, it's not this conservative Christian state everyone makes it out to be(there's a lot of megachurches here), but it IS THE STATE OF TEXAS, and NOT CALIFORNIA!
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2013, 08:45:05 am »

Another thing - notice the apathy by the American public, pretty much. No, I'm not saying we as Christians should run around worrying et al, but just observe how both the MSM and the public are reacting to it.

For example, the MSM is running away with this whole Aaron Hernandez story(NE Patriots player entangled in a murder case) quite a bit over the last week, and this seems to be the story most are buzzing about more than anything else. But en yet, stories like being discussed in this thread no one is really buzzing about.

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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 06:15:49 pm »

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-26/texas-abortion-limits-sent-back-to-state-lawmakers-by-perry-1-.html?cmpid=yhoo
6/26/13
Texas Abortion Limits Sent Back to State Lawmakers by Perry

Texas Governor Rick Perry called the state legislature back into session July 1 to give lawmakers another chance to approve a measure that might close most of the state’s abortion clinics.

The legislation died in a special session that ended last night after a Democratic senator filibustered. Republican backers forced a vote approving the measure that was later ruled invalid because it came after the midnight conclusion of the session.

“Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn,” Perry said in a statement today.

The measure that failed yesterday would ban abortions at 20 weeks of pregnancy and require that they be performed in ambulatory surgical centers by doctors with admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles (50 kilometers). Most clinics would have to alter facilities to meet the requirements, which abortion-rights advocates say they can’t afford. Doctors at other clinics may struggle to win privileges.

In the past three years, Republican-led states increasingly have restricted when and how women can end pregnancies. Twenty-week bans have been among the most popular, passing in at least 10 states since 2010. Some measures face legal challenges and haven’t taken effect.

In May, an Arizona law that made it a crime for doctors to perform abortions after 20 weeks was struck down by a federal appeals court. The ruling said the measure violated the precedent set by the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, which granted the right to an abortion until a fetus is viable, typically considered about 24 weeks.

The Texas measure passed the House, but failed in the Senate after Wendy Davis, a Democrat, filibustered more than 10 hours. Republicans then forced a vote on the legislation.

After some confusion, Republican leaders said the vote came after the midnight end of the special session and didn’t count.

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In May, an Arizona law that made it a crime for doctors to perform abortions after 20 weeks was struck down by a federal appeals court.

Yeah, the feds got a bone to pick with Arizona, so of course they struck down a ruling that opposes Washington's socialist agenda.

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 03:40:33 pm »

Being from TX(as I've said in other posts), this has made front page news in our papers(for obvious reasons) - Dunno, but it's turning out into one of those good cop vs bad cop/WWE shows. This same Lt. Gov is also the same guy who played his role by allowing himself to be portrayed as a "moderate" in last year's Senate race(which went to Ted Cruz - who's playing the role of good cop on Capitol Hill now with this immigration bill).

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-senate-blowup-threatens-lt-gov-future-185326611.html
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Texas Senate blowup threatens lt. gov.'s future

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — With the crowd in the Texas Senate gallery chanting at deafening levels, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst stood at the podium with his hands in his pockets as his fellow Republicans pleaded and shouted for order.

The protesters refused to settle down as Dewhurst scrambled to the Senate floor and desperately tried to beat a midnight deadline to save one of his top priorities: legislation limiting abortions. He failed, amid one of the wildest scenes in the Texas Legislature in recent memory.

The bill will get another chance next week now that the governor has called another special legislative session, but Dewhurst's political future may not be so easily saved.

Damage left by the raucous scene of an out-of-control Senate — broadcast live on the Internet — has made Dewhurst a target for blame among rivals within his own party who wonder why the presiding officer of the chamber let it happen.

Texas' lieutenant governor is one of the most powerful politicians in the state. Elected statewide and independent of the governor's office, the lieutenant governor controls the flow of legislation in the Senate. Dewhurst has held the post since 2002, when he rode a conservative wave that has allowed Republicans to dominate state politics for more than a decade. But he suffered a crushing defeat by a fellow Republican in last year's U.S. Senate race.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2013, 08:53:01 pm »

im quite sure this violates the filibusterer rules...


State Sen. Wendy Davis Donned Catheter for Pro-Abortion Filibuster

State Sen. Wendy Davis (D-TX), the woman who gave an 11-hour filibuster to protect late-term abortion against a proposed law in the state of Texas, put on running shoes and a back brace, and inserted a urinary catheter in preparation for her speech. Her filibuster in favor of abortion after 20 weeks (5 months) ended after she went off topic, and was cut of by the Republican majority. “She’s a total fighter,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood.

While national Democrats praised Davis for her filibuster, which took the chamber into recesses, Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) called a special session of the legislature in order to finish passage of the law.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2013, 04:05:51 am »

Like they care!
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2013, 05:06:53 am »

Ya think this will make the main stream news?  Roll Eyes

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Texas Pro-Abortion Protesters Chant 'Hail Satan!'

by Debra Heine 2 Jul 2013

...Texas blogger, Adam Cahn was there, and has a report and video from the scene where pro-life women shared their abortion related testimonies, and the pro abort mob responded with repeated chants of "hail Satan."  He notes that they had been chanting those words all day, but it took awhile to catch it on video...(cont.)

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2013, 05:49:42 am »

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2013, 04:00:10 pm »

Yeah, I didn't even listen to it, and just left it as a link.

I try not to give the enemy any more airtime than needed! We already know that fallen angels and demons walk among us. They will have their reward in God's time.

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2013, 07:19:27 am »

again...

Texas House approves sweeping abortion restrictions


The Texas House of Representatives approved sweeping abortion restrictions on Tuesday, including a ban after 20 weeks of pregnancy and tougher standards for clinics that perform the procedure.
 
The vote of 98-49 came after a full day of sometimes emotional debate. Before the measure can head to the state Senate, it needs a final vote from the House, which is expected on Wednesday.

The House approved the same proposal during a previous special session of the legislature, but it failed to pass in the Senate after Democratic Senator Wendy Davis staged an 11-hour filibuster that gained national attention.

Planned Parenthood, the country's largest provider of abortions, says the proposed stricter standards for clinics could cause all but six of the 42 abortion facilities in Texas to shut down. Bill author Republican Jodie Laubenberg said no facility would be forced to close.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, a Republican who opposes abortion, called lawmakers back to Austin for a second special session to reconsider the proposal. Most lawmakers in the Republican controlled Senate favor the bill.

Since the second special session began on July 1, thousands of Texans have packed the Capitol to testify at hearings, hold rallies and march.

After the vote on Tuesday, bill opponents crowded the area outside the House chamber, chanting "Defense! Defense!" to cheer on lawmakers who voted against the bill and were emerging from the legislative chamber.

During the debate on Tuesday, Representative Jason Villalba, a Republican whose wife is expecting a baby boy, spoke passionately in favor of the bill while showing his colleagues a sonogram picture of "my son."

"We fight this fight because of innocent human life," he said.

The 20-week provision - a version of which has been passed by a dozen states - is based on controversial research suggesting fetuses feel pain at that point in the pregnancy.

Bill opponent Representative Senfronia Thompson, a Democrat, unsuccessfully proposed an amendment to exempt victims of **** and incest from the 20-week provision.

"I don't think that you want to traumatize (a) young woman by making her carry a child that her stepfather has impregnated her with, or her father," Thompson said.

Thompson held up a coat hanger to make the point that women may be forced to turn to unsafe abortion methods.

Last week, two states imposed new abortion restrictions.

Ohio stripped funding from Planned Parenthood and put new requirements on those performing and seeking abortions. Wisconsin passed a law requiring women seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound and new requirements on doctors performing abortions. A federal judge on Monday temporarily blocked a portion of that law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/10/us-usa-abortion-texas-idUSBRE96805G20130710
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2013, 02:14:13 am »

Why in the world are Rick Perry and David Dewhurst letting this happen?

Sorry, hate to say it, but the GOP in the TX legislature are responsible for this too for not taking a stand.

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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2013, 07:29:29 pm »

I read in my paper today that Rick Santorum came down to help out passing this bill - really, how did this Knights of Malta member get involved with this now?

When you look at it closely - it wasn't so much that what Wendy Davis did was unconstitutional, again, WHY didn't David Dewhurst, Rick Perry, and Dan Patrick(TX Senate GOP leader) take a STAND against her antics that night? After all, it was unconstitutional, and it wouldn't have taken much effort to begin with for these guys to take a stand, and they just sat on their hands and did NOTHING? And now they had to bring down a globalist in Santorum(also the same guy who helped pro-abortion believer Mitt Romney get the GOP nom) to help them sort out this mess?

Hate to say it, but I don't think a single good intention by either side is being put out. And we should also realize that these state legislatures are waiting until NOW(since Obama got into office, that is) to pass these anti-abortion bills, when they could have done so very easily during Bush Jr's 1st term. Now the USSC has 7 justices with pro-abortion records, largely thanks to W. Bush appointing 2 of them himself. Just saying.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2013, 06:52:18 am »

Abortion Activists Shout “F— the Church” During Chants at Texas Capitol

The pro-abortion madness is continuing for yet another week. On the heels of death threats from an abortion activist to the Lt. Governor comes another outrage.
 
As members of the Texas legislature attempt to debate a bill that would ban late-term abortions after 20 weeks, abortion activists are shouting.
 
The typical pro-abortion chant goes something like this: “Women must decide their fate, not the church, not the state.” Bryan Kemper of Stand True relayed to LifeNews reports from his staff at the scene and says many of the dozens of abortion advocates screaming tonight in the Texas capitol are replacing “not the church” with “f— the church.”

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Abortion Activists Shout “F— the Church” During Chants at Texas Capitol

The pro-abortion madness is continuing for yet another week. On the heels of death threats from an abortion activist to the Lt. Governor comes another outrage.
 
As members of the Texas legislature attempt to debate a bill that would ban late-term abortions after 20 weeks, abortion activists are shouting.
 
The typical pro-abortion chant goes something like this: “Women must decide their fate, not the church, not the state.” Bryan Kemper of Stand True relayed to LifeNews reports from his staff at the scene and says many of the dozens of abortion advocates screaming tonight in the Texas capitol are replacing “not the church” with “f— the church.”

rest+vid: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/09/abortion-activists-shout-f-the-church-during-chants-at-texas-capitol/

Hate to say this, but didn't like the looks of the pro-life leadership there either - saw crucifixes, "Mary was pro-life" signs, etc - just screamed Catholicism to me. Remember the Jesuits control both sides of the conflicts.

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2013, 12:24:58 pm »

Surprise, Surprise! A "loophole" to all of this!

http://news.yahoo.com/more-texas-women-could-seek-star-pills-abortion-025122442.html
More Texas Women Could Seek 'Star Pills' for Abortion
7/15/13

Dr. Lester Minto raised four daughters in South Texas, just miles from the Mexican border, where most women are Hispanic and 3 out of 5 girls are pregnant before they reach adulthood.

"My wife died and I raised them on my own," said Minto, 64, who made sure his girls had access to birth control. "Not a single one of mine got pregnant."

For the last three decades, Minto, a family physician and advocate for women, has owned the Reproductive Services clinic in Harlingen, Texas, which performs about 1,500 to 2,000 abortions a year.

But now, with the stringent new anti-abortion law that just passed the Texas legislature, he worries that the women he serves, those from "deep" Texas and Mexico, will turn in greater numbers to do-it-yourself remedy for an unwanted pregnancy -- misoprostol, which goes under the name Cytotec.

The drug, used off-label in medical abortions, is smuggled in by relatives from Mexico to begin a miscarriage -- or what Hispanic women call, "bringing your period down," according to Minto.

"They get things started, then show up in the emergency room and avoid the negative image of having done an abortion," said Minto.

Hispanic women have the highest rate of unwanted pregnancies nationwide -- about 54 percent, according to Jessica Gonzalez-Rojas, executive director of the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health. Many are uninsured and speak no English.

"With an increase of barriers mounting, what we are hearing is that a lot of women are turning to other folks they know who can smuggle [misoprostol] over the border or are finding it in flea markets," said Gonzalez-Rojas.

"It's the kind of thing -- people know where to get it and are very quiet. While it's not the most dangerous drug, there are a lot of questions about how to take it appropriately. We have tremendous concerns when women take their health into their own hands."

And it's not just women in Texas, according to Gonzalez-Rojas.

"There are lots of cases throughout the country of low-income women, even in New York City, using misoprostol or Cytotec," she said. "I think it's more about the stigma that exists around abortion and they get a lot of mixed messages and turn to underground methods."

Misoprostol, a prostaglandin inhibitor, is usually used as part of a two-part, FDA-approved medical abortion with mifepristone or RU486. Alone, it is routinely used off-label for obstetrical and gynecological procedures such as cervical ripening, labor induction and mid-trimester terminations. It can be used to induce miscarriage, typically up to nine weeks, but can also be safely given in through the second semester.

In combination, the two drugs are 95 to 97 percent effective. Taken alone, misoprostol is only 80 to 85 percent effective, and is suspected of causing birth defects if it fails.

After care is critical to ensure the pregnancy tissue is expelled to prevent infection. In a worst-case scenario, if a woman has placenta previa, (when a baby's placenta partially or totally covers the mother's cervix) she can bleed to death if the drug is used alone[/color].

In 2007, a Massachusetts teenager took misoprostol in an attempt to induce a miscarriage at 25 weeks and the 1-pound baby was delivered prematurely and died. Amber Abreu, who was 18, faced murder charges that were later dismissed.
 
"If done properly and done in combination, they are safe," said Minto. But alone, misoprostol "doesn't work that well."

"It's kind of like a cheap cure for a radiator leak," he said. "Its efficacy rate is about 30 percent when used alone and improperly. But even though I don't approve of it, I can't criticize it. I would probably try the same if I were in a situation like these women."

Misoprostol is more readily available than mifepristone because it is prescribed to prevent gastric ulcers.

Hispanic women call them "star pills" for their hexagonal shape and they are commonly used in Latin America, where abortion is illegal, turning a shameful procedure into something that looks like a miscarriage. American immigrants can obtain them for about $2 a pill from relatives in overseas bodegas and pharmacies, according to Gonzalez-Rojas.

The Texas law, backed by Republican Gov. Rick Perry, is one of the strictest in the United States. It bans abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy and hold clinics like Minto's to the same physical standards as hospital surgical centers.

Its supporters say that the strengthened regulations for the structures and doctors will protect women's health.

Rep. Jason Villalba, a Republican from Dallas, said the new law will not have a negative impact on low-income women, as critics have suggested.

"I am pro-life, but no one is denying Roe v. Wade is the law of the land
," he said. "But if we are going to provide a procedure, then the state has the right to regulate how it's done to protect our women who receive this procedure
.

**So this he saying this bill isn't anti-abortion/pro-life to begin with?

Mat_12:34  O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.


"We want women to have the same kind of surgical care, for instance, if they have an appendix or tonsils removed," said Villalba.

One of the new regulations is that abortion providers are located within 30 miles of a hospital.

"If something goes awry," he said, "it's a serious procedure -- we want the doctor to be able to get to a hospital quickly and provide care."

Villalba wouldn't answer questions directly about the possibility of more women using these pills, but argued more broadly that clinics that can't comply with new regulations will "fall by the wayside." Villalba insisted women who choose abortion will still have access. He said opponents of the bill have exaggerated the numbers of clinics that will close.

"Here's the good news," Villalba said. "The clinics [that] remain after the dust is settled will have new standards to protect women."


But advocates like Gonzalez-Rojas say the new law is "an affront on women."

"What we know is that with the increase of barriers mounting, the limited clinics down there are likely going to close if they face all these regulations," she said. "Women get put in desperate situations. We don't know how the black market will turn out, so they might get something that isn't the right drug. We are fighting the laws to make sure women get access to care."

The bill was opposed by many doctors, including leaders of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the Texas Medical Association.

About 1 in 3 American women will have an abortion by the time they reach 45, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which advocates for sexual and reproductive health and rights. In the first six months of 2013, states enacted 43 restrictions on access to abortion.

In Texas, the abortion rate has remained steady since 2005. The rate in 2008, the last year for which there are statistics, was lower than in the rest of the country: about 16.5 abortions per 1,000 women, aged 15 to 44. The national rate for that year was 19.6.
 
"You begin to discover the devil is in the details," said Minto, who said he will either have to close down his clinic or move his practice to Mexico.

With new regulations, the procedure for a medical abortion takes three days: A woman must get a sonogram and an explanation of the procedure. Twenty-four hours later, she gets the first pill -- RU 486 or mifepristone, a hormone blocker that makes the fetus unviable. After another 24 hours, the woman must return so the doctor can give her misoprostol, which causes the uterus to contract and expel the fetus.

Until the new law, as is the standard practice in other states, women take the second pill at home and then have a follow up visit with the doctor.

"It's added another doctor visit and, if you live 250 miles away or more, you have to stay in a hotel," he said.

Some women in Texas live as far as to 900 miles from an abortion clinic.

Minto said the safety record and his certification inspections over the last three decades have been "impeccable." He charges women less than $500 for a procedure -- either medical or surgical abortion.

"If you have a case of ****, it's tough," he said. "Where do you send innocent 12, 12, 13-year-old girls? What do they do? I thought about those girls in Cleveland who were held hostage. According to Texas law, if they get pregnant, after 20 weeks, forget it. We have just gone to Taliban Texas."

The next step will be a court challenge to the new law, but Minto is undaunted.

"My licensed abortion clinic has to close," said Minto, "But I'll never give up helping women. I am not a quitter."
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GOV. PERRY SIGNS SWEEPING ABORTION RESTRICTIONS

Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed sweeping new abortion restrictions on Thursday that could shutter most of the clinics in the state.

More than 100 Republican lawmakers attended the signing ceremony with a small band of protesters outside dressed in black and holding a sign that read, "Shame." The legislation had sparked weeks of protests at the state Capitol.

The new law bans abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy and dictates when abortion-inducing drugs can be taken. But it also requires abortion clinic doctors to have hospital admitting privileges and restricts abortions to surgical centers. Only five of Texas' 42 abortion clinics currently meet the new requirements.

The law will take effect in October and clinics will have a year to upgrade their facilities or shutdown. Perry said the new law "builds upon our commitment to protecting life in the state of Texas."

The governor and other top Republican politicians in the state made passing the law a top priority, in part to please supporters before the primary election in March. They failed to pass the bill last month on the last day of a special legislative session because of a Democratic state senator's lengthy filibuster and a raucous crowd. But they were successful last week after Perry called a second special session to get the bill approved.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said Thursday that the "radical left" had inflicted "intentional chaos" that delayed the bill's initial passage. He credited prayer and even "the hand of God" in making Thursday's event happen, as about 25 protesters could be heard chanting "Shame! Shame! Shame!" out in the hallway.

Supporters of the law argue that it will ensure high-quality health care for women and fetuses, but opponents view it as over-regulation intended to make abortions harder to obtain.

Federal judges have blocked enforcement of similar measures in other states, questioning their constitutionality. Opponents are expected to file similar suits in Texas now that Perry has signed the law.

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FYI, Texas was never really this "conservative pro-life" state everyone tries to make it out to be. As for this bill, I'll believe it when I see it.

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President George W. Bush did not introduce, lobby for, nor sign any law that acknowledged the right to life and so could stop the killing of even a single child. Instead he had an enormous pro-abortion influence, e.g., giving Planned Parenthood hundreds of millions of dollars more than did even Bill Clinton.

As a Republican President Whom Pro-lifers Elected: George W. Bush did much to destroy innocent human life, as easily documented:
- by his own policies Bush approved of the killing of 3,340,624 children, see calculator below
- his judges on the Texas supreme court gave that state its most pro-abortion ruling ever
- his judges, with those of the two previous pro-life presidents, voted to starve to death Terri Schiavo
- he and his two pro-life predecessors nominated a majority of the federal judiciary, which is pro-choice
- although a consummate compromiser, he refused to support South Dakota's 2006 abortion ban
- he hurt even more children by telling ABC he won't support protection of kids if some cannot be killed
- he still gave no public support even after South Dakota immorally added his "exceptions" to a 2008 bill
- he kept his very first campaign promise which was that he would nominate many pro-choice judges
- he kept his presidential debate promise to not oppose the chemical designed to killBush photo op with prop children, RU-486
- he never tried to outlaw the grisly stem cell research on the tiniest children
- he became the first president to fund embryonic stem cell research
- he publicly advocated a ban on human cloning but then killed that ban when it finally had its chance
- he believes not every child should be protected by love and by law
- he thinks a doctor should stop caring for a mom in crisis just long enough to kill her child
- he supports the position that started the abortion holocaust, that children of rapists can be killed
- his only absolute stand on life is his fight to keep it "legal" to kill those he says have no right to life
- he never told the truth that the partial-birth abortion ban would not stop a single scheduled abortion
- he rejects the God-given right to life and believes rather that he can decide if a child could be killed
- he wanted to nominate pro-abortion Alberto Gonzales to the Supreme Court for life but was thwarted
- he is proud of the pro-choice judges he has nominated, and never named one who held to a right to life
- he is unable to name a single sitting Supreme Court justice who ever acknowledged the right to life
- he is proud to attend the same post-modern denomination (and church) as Hillary Clinton
- he was helped by his wife staying quiet on her pro-choice views until a day after his election
- he is proud of the openly pro-abortion Bush women, mother, wife and daughters
- he hurt the 2008 Republican convention by permitting only pro-abortion prime time speakers in 2004
- he surrounded himself with pro-choice officials boosting the careers of those who kill children
- his religious conversion is linked to becoming the evangelical liaison for his father's presidential campaign
- and predictably, though against the promise of Nat'l RTL,  he gave hundreds of millions of dollars more to Planned Parenthood than Bill Clinton ever did, a .
 Sources below, many of them primary, document the shocking and horrific Bush abortion legacy.

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After all, the pro-life industry had all along given him a pass for promoting pro-abortion judges, including Alberto Gonzales while Bush was Governor of Texas.
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^^ More on this from another link source...

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1978.cfm
PRESIDENT BUSH STABS CHRISTIAN VOTERS IN THE HEART AS HE NOMINATES PRO-ABORTION JUDGE TO BE THE NEXT ATTORNEY GENERAL

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NEWS BRIEF: "Pro-lifers not thrilled with Gonzales choice: Bush's pick for attorney general upheld abortion on Texas court", WorldNetDaily, November 10, 2004

"Pro-life activists are criticizing President Bush's choice of Alberto Gonzales to replace John Ashcroft as attorney general, worrying the White House counsel will not aggressively uphold the administration's anti-abortion stance. Gonzales is a former member of the Texas Supreme Court, where he voted to allow a teenager to get an abortion without notifying her parents, circumventing the notification law in that state ... Chuck Baldwin, a pastor and columnist, slammed Gonzales, citing the Texas case and stating, 'Gonzales is anything but pro-life'."

Did you catch the most important point? Alberto Gonzales voted to circumvent existing law in the state of Texas! When a Judge of a State Supreme Court votes to override clear law instead of just interpreting that law, this nation is in real trouble. Texas law forbade a pregnant teen to get an abortion without notifying her parents. The law was firm and unambiguous. Yet, Judge Gonzales voted to side-step that firm, clear law. If an ordinary citizen side-steps a law, we call him a criminal and arrest him; but when a sitting judge does the same thing, he is merely called an "activist judge".

Not only is this judicial activism at its worst -- which President Bush says he will not allow -- but Gonzales identified himself by his decision as a bold Liberal pro-abortionist.



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I also read an article recently over how the reason these states are largely passing these restrictive anti-abortion bills is b/c of the 2014 midterm elections next year.

Pt being that do NOT be fooled by this carrot they hang out over how we need to go out and vote in order to make the world a better place. We've been down this route many times before - remember the whole "culture wars" that went on for many years, where they used social conservative issues like abortion and pro-family to divide the country in these election years, and then ALL BY DESIGN, it ended up blowing up in everyone's faces in the long run.

And like discussed in other threads(and this one), these same groups and state governments all but sat on their hands and did nothing BEFORE Obama got into office.
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I read in my paper today that Rick Santorum came down to help out passing this bill - really, how did this Knights of Malta member get involved with this now?

Santorum to jump into Texas abortion ban battle
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/09/santorum-to-jump-into-texas-abortion-ban-battle/


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Rick Santorum attempts to protect the innocent yet he undermines and therefore delays the country's enforcement of the God-given right to life of unborn children by defending abortion regulations that end with words that say, in effect, "and then you can kill the baby."

Santorum Violates Pledge with Child Killing Regulations: Rick Santorum's campaign site continues to praise and advocate for legislation that regulates the killing of children including for example the Partial Birth Abortion "Ban", the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act, and regarding the abortion drug, for the RU-486 Patient Health and Safety Protection Act. Each of these regulations in effect end with words, "and then you can kill the baby." The 15-year PBA ban fiasco raised a quarter of a billion dollars as a fund-raiser but as Dr. James Dobson wrote:

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Santorum Recommends Anesthetic for Holocaust Victims Before Killing: Motivated by well-meaning but morally backward ideas, unfortunately, Rick Santorum advocates The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act by euphemistically describing giving the child a painkiller before killing her, as, "allowing the child to be treated for that pain."4 This Act is a violation of God's enduring command, Do Not Murder, because as all regulations re-authorize behavior, after offering anesthetic the abortionist is then given permission to kill even this late-term baby. And by the law of unintended consequences, legislating anesthesia for the child will also encourage some mothers to go ahead and abort their children, for it will alleviate the guilt of some who will convince themselves, "At least my baby won't feel pain." Abortion regulations make it harder to end abortion because they make child killing appear more reasonable to the public and humane. And a fetal pain bill makes even late-term abortion appear to be more socially palatable. Abortion regulations that become "law" will even keep such killings legal for years to come if Roe v. Wade is ever merely overturned (short of personhood passing), for then all state abortion regulations will keep the abortion clinic doors open, for every one of them end with: "and then you can kill the baby."

Summary: Even though Rick Santorum signed the Personhood Pledge, he still doesn't understand this most basic concept of just government: the right to life. He is in favor of enforcing personhood but he is also willing to regulate child killing, which regulations themselves undermine the eventual personhood victory. "Child killing regulations just prune the abortion weed, and strengthen its root," says Jason Troyer of Colorado Right To Life. So like pruning one's favorite bush to make it grow strong, as leading abortion advocates are urging (see AmericanRTL.org/regs), let's regulate the procedure and we will make it appear more reasonable and humane and it this way pro-lifers will unintentionally "keep abortion legal."
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Here's a passage in Isaiah thought I wanted to share - it seems like it's come to a point where everyone is in this "compromising" mode now. The new anti-abortion laws some of these states are pushing through are just MERELY restrictions? Again, why can't they just pass laws banning them completely?

Isaiah 59:1  Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Isa 59:3  For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Isa 59:4  None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
Isa 59:5  They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
Isa 59:6  Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
Isa 59:7  Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Isa 59:8  The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Isa 59:9  Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.


Yes, like mentioned in previous posts, these GOP-runned state governments like TX, AL, AR, ND, etc had their chances under Reagan/Bushes for years and years to push these anti-abortion laws, but they just sat on their hands and did nothing. And even worse, Churchianity just stood back and did nothing all of these years, despite them insisting we needed to vote for Republican candidates.

Dunno, but even these new anti-abortion laws calling for MERE "restrictions" is still coming short of justice in this land. And as a result, they are conceiving mischief and bringing for iniquity.
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More potential proof that what we're seeing now is likely nothing more than a puppet show(yes, I know both political "parties" are one and the same, but nonetheless look at the players involved)...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/5643-planned-parenthood-republicans-a-decades-long-history
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Planned Parenthood Republicans: A Decades-Long History


Trends within politics rarely occur in a vacuum. Instead, they develop within a broader ideological and historical context, which accounts for individual elected officials’ political motivations to this very day. Planned Parenthood, for instance, has always enjoyed the support of a notable component of the Republican Party, especially its moderate or Rockefeller wing, comprised of influential Establishment elitists, internationalists, and environmentalists.
 
The seven Republicans who voted in favor of retaining federal funding for Planned Parenthood, in addition to Senators Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe, all hail from this tradition. Beyond their obvious support for pro-choice causes, these individuals are also characterized by a commitment to centrist policies and fiscal largesse — all indicative of their opposition to the principles of traditional, constitutional government.

Ever since its earliest days, Planned Parenthood has counted among its supporters prominent members of the Republican Party. As early as 1942, Connecticut Senator Prescott Bush (picture, above), grandfather of President George W. Bush, was a supporter of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League, and in 1947, served as the treasurer for the first national campaign for Planned Parenthood. The political repercussions hit hard. Prescott Bush was knocked out of an expected victory for a Senate seat in Connecticut in 1950 after syndicated columnist Drew Pearson declared that it "has been made known" that Bush was a leader in the "Birth Control Society" (the original name of Planned Parenthood was the Birth Control Federation of America). Prescott Bush won a Senate seat two years later, and his son George and daughter-in-law Barbara continued to support Planned Parenthood even after George's election to Congress from Texas. In fact, he was such an advocate for family planning that some House colleagues nicknamed him "Rubbers."

In addition, Prescott’s son George H.W. also supported family planning efforts while serving as a Texas congressman. President George H.W. Bush was best known for his opposition to Ronald Reagan’s supply-side economics, rooted in the free-market ideas of Hayek and Friedman, deriding the conservative Reagan as a proponent of “voodoo economics.” He wrote a constituent in 1970: “I introduced legislation earlier this year which would provide federal funds for research in family planning devices and increased services to people who need them but cannot afford them. We must help our young people become aware of the fact that families can be planned and that there are benefits economically and socially to be derived from small families.” ("George Bush to Mrs. Jim Hunter, Jr., Oct. 23, 1970" [Virginia B. Whitehill Papers, DeGolyer Library, Southern Methodist University].)

**George HW did so while serving as Congressman in TEXAS? Hhhhmmm...again, look at the roots going back...don't think TX was ever an anti-abortion state to begin with.

Although stemming from the opposite wing of the GOP, the Goldwater family of Arizona also supported Planned Parenthood. In his final term in the U.S. Senate, Barry Goldwater adopted a pro-choice position, voting in 1983 against a constitutional amendment that would have reversed Roe v. Wade and returned legislative authority over abortion to the states. Back in 1937, his wife Peggy had become a founding member of Planned Parenthood of Arizona, and the couple remained active in the organization throughout Goldwater's Senate career. Though he initially rejected Planned Parenthood's position on abortion, his long association with the group would ultimately make a convert of him, also as he personally approved of his daughter Joanne’s illegal abortion in 1955, as recounted in the HBO documentary Mr. Conservative.

When she was in her 30s, Peggy Goldwater met Margaret Sanger and became part of a small group organizing Phoenix's first birth control clinic, called the Mothers' Health Clinic. Mrs.  Goldwater developed a very strong commitment to the birth control movement which continued throughout her life. When she died in 1985, the Planned Parenthood Press (Planned Parenthood Arizona's newsletter), lauded her for her commitment to contraceptive access and developed an award in her honor.

Yet another prominent Republican family has a history of supporting Planned Parenthood. Former Massachusetts Governor and current Presidential contender Mitt Romney has had a convoluted and revealing history on life issues, as well as in his relationship with Planned Parenthood. In 1994, when Romney first ran for public office, he was observed attending a Planned Parenthood fundraiser in Cohasset, Massachusetts, with his wife Ann, who was seen handing a check for $150 from a joint bank account to Nicki Nichols ****, former president of the Massachusetts Planned Parenthood Federation.

**Yes, even Churchianity supported Mitt Romney last year!

Romney has flip-flopped egregiously on the question of abortion. In 2002, he announced that he supported a “woman’s right to choose,” and in 1994, said he supported Roe v. Wade. Later that year, according to the Boston Herald, he "came down more firmly in the abortion rights camp,” declaring his support for the "morning after" pill and a federal bill protecting visitors to health clinics from anti-abortion violence. In a debate later that year against Ted Kennedy, Romney said that he had supported abortion rights consistently since 1970 when his mother Lenore ran as a pro-abortion rights candidate for the U.S. Senate in Michigan. He linked his support for abortion rights to the death "many years ago" of a "dear, close family relative" following a botched illegal abortion. "You will not see me wavering on that," he added.

Later in 2002, Romney claimed he would "preserve and protect" abortion rights in Massachusetts, and told activists from NARAL Pro Choice America that “you need someone like me in Washington," according to notes taken by a member of NARAL. NARAL officials interpreted this as a reference to his national political ambitions. In addition, he answered "yes" in a questionnaire from Planned Parenthood in 2002 on whether he would support "efforts to increase access to emergency contraception."

In an interview with On The Issues, Romney straddled the fence, saying: "I believe from a political perspective that life begins at conception. I don't pretend to know, if you will, from a theological standpoint when life begins. I'd committed to the people of Massachusetts that I would not change the laws one way or the other, and I honored that commitment." (Emphasis added.)

To this day, Planned Parenthood sponsors a special interest group, Planned Parenthood Republicans for Choice, which gives the annual Barry Goldwater Award to a pro-choice Republican elected official of its choosing. Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) was the 2009 recipient, and now-Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) was the 2008 recipient. Rep. Bob Dold (R-Ill.), who was endorsed by the group Republican Majority for Choice and  was one of seven Republicans to vote for PPFA funding, currently holds Senator Mark Kirk’s former House seat in a left-leaning Chicago suburb. Interestingly, the co-chair of the organization, Randy Moody, was a former chief lobbyist and executive within the ultra-liberal teachers union, the National Education Association (NEA).

**Odd how conservatives throughout all of these years have put Goldwater up on a pedestial as being a long-time traditional conservative. Roll Eyes

Planned Parenthood Republicans for Choice has been issuing the self-contradictory Barry Goldwater Award since 1995, and almost all of the awardees come from the steady, yet dwindling presence of so-called moderates within the Republican Party, who are proponents of "centrism" and lack a genuine commitment to the principles of limited, constitutional government (which Barry Goldwater upheld throughout his entire life).

Despite his support for "reproductive rights," (the right to have an abortion) Goldwater is nonetheless remembered as a proponent of constitutional conservatism, placing him as an historical and ideological opponent of those who are ironically being honored in his name. Just as Goldwater’s principal adversary was former New York Governor Nelson D. Rockefeller, those who are recipients of this award would have been Goldwater’s political foes in the GOP, as they stem from the party’s "moderate" (neoconservative) wing, as opposed to Goldwater’s Old Right, constitutionalist, free-market, individualist libertarian tradition. That Old Right tradition is espoused by many in the Tea Party today, such as pro-life Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has advocated stricter crackdowns on abortion-on-demand.

The history of the Republican Party, to a degree, is shaped by a long record of GOP icons supporting the pro-abortion, socially-liberal causes of groups including Planned Parenthood. With the unitary exception of Barry Goldwater (whose support of Planned Parenthood was motivated by a libertarian belief in governmental non-involvement in human reproduction), these Planned Parenthood Republicans are also committed to other left-wing causes, such as Mitt Romney's support of universal health carewhen he was Massachusetts governor, affectionately called "RomneyCare."  The commitment to the inexorably-linked "seamless garment" of fiscal and social conservatism, championed by figures such as Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) has not always been a paradigm at home in the Republican Party.

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Again, not that I'm trying to start a left/right paradigm smackdown debate, but nonetheless look at the ROOTS of this wickedness, and where they trace back.

Hosea 4:6  My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Yes, it's important to know who your enemies are. I know we don't war against flesh and blood, but nonetheless it should drive anyone crazy when you hear these modern-day Christian ministries continually tie Obama/Hillary to Margaret Sanger, like they're the only conspirators.(no, not defending Obama and Hillary, but just saying)

Job 4:8  Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Job 4:9  By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.


Prov 22:7  The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
Pro 22:8  He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.


Matthew 20:25  But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
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MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry Dons Tampon Earrings To Protest Texas Abortion Bill

Some filibuster abortion bills, some march against them, and some wear tampons on their ears.

On her MSNBC show Sunday morning, Melissa Harris-Perry brought attention to Texas’ recently-passed abortion regulations—and the burnt orange-clad demonstrators who had fought their passage—in her own way: with a pair of homemade tampon earrings.

“My producer Lorena made for me last week some tampon earrings,” Harris-Perry said as she put on the jewelry. “The Texas state legislature said that you couldn’t bring tampons in, when these women were going to, in fact, stand up for their own reproductive rights.”

During a second special session of the Texas legislature, security in the Capitol building briefly banned tampons from the rotunda for fear that the feminine products would be tossed at lawmakers passing the last-minute bill. The earlier protests had been so disruptive that Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst had been unable to call a vote on the bill, resulting in an embarrassing but temporary setback for Texas Republicans, who vowed not to let demonstrators get the better of them again. But Capitol security got a bit overzealous in confiscating tampons from female protestors, a policy they quickly reversed after it garnered national attention.

“So just in case that ever happens again, ladies, you can just bring them on your earrings,” Harris-Perry said.

Watch the clip below, via MSNBC:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/melissa-harris-perry-dons-tampon-earrings-to-protest-texas-abortion-bill/

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On her MSNBC show Sunday morning, Melissa Harris-Perry brought attention to Texas’ recently-passed abortion regulations—and the burnt orange-clad demonstrators who had fought their passage

It was the ones in OARNGE that were
Abortion Activists Shout “F— the Church” During Chants at Texas Capitol
http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,8948.msg37880.html#msg37880

and
Texas Pro-Abortion Protesters Chant 'Hail Satan!'
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/02/Pro-Aborts-Chant-Hail-Satan-At-Texas-State-Capitol-As-Pro-Lifers-Sing-Amazing-Grace?utm

Maybe instead of tampons, she should have worn her BAAL priestess outfit soaked in the blood of dead sacrificed babies
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2013, 07:18:29 am »

Yes, it's important to know who your enemies are. I know we don't war against flesh and blood, but nonetheless it should drive anyone crazy when you hear these modern-day Christian ministries continually tie Obama/Hillary to Margaret Sanger, like they're the only conspirators.(no, not defending Obama and Hillary, but just saying)

Another thing - part of the end times deceptions, since the 1980's in particular, has been to deceive Christians into thinking we have to be political active in order to save this country. This is exactly what these David Barton/Glenn Beck types have been deceiving everyone into thinking they should be doing. However, all they are doing is keeping Christians in the dark over the globalist agendas being implemented by our government, especially when a GOP politician is in office.(ie-they've been quietly implementing GMO foods, forced vaccinations, Big Pharma, etc, and for that matter too quietly legalizing abortion and the homosexual agenda all of these years)

John_18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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