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« on: July 31, 2013, 05:13:18 pm »

Ireland abortion bill is signed into law after bruising debate

Irish President Higgins signs a bill allowing abortion in certain cases. There had been speculation that he would send it to the Supreme Court.

7/30/13

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-ireland-abortion-20130731,0,1155642.story?track=rss

certain conditions was signed into law Tuesday after a bruising debate in the predominantly Roman Catholic country over whether it risked opening the doors to abortion on demand.

President Michael D. Higgins' office confirmed that he had signed the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill, despite speculation that he might send the controversial measure to the Irish Supreme Court to examine its constitutionality.

Higgins' signature came 2½ weeks after a marathon session by lawmakers, who exhaustively discussed and parsed every word of the bill before approving it on a vote of 127 to 31. The lopsided tally belied the divisiveness of the debate in one of the remaining European nations to forbid the widespread practice of abortion.

The new law does not permit a woman to terminate a pregnancy under any circumstance; rather it allows abortion only when two doctors certify that a woman's life would be at "real and substantial risk" if the pregnancy continued. Only one physician's authorization is necessary in the event of an immediate emergency.

Doctors in Ireland already are authorized under professional guidelines to make such judgments, but many have hesitated to order even medically advisable abortions for fear of being hauled before the courts. Advocates of the bill said explicit legal backing was necessary to reassure doctors and to prevent incidents such as the avoidable death last October of Savita Halappanavar, 31, which galvanized abortion rights activists.

Halappanavar died of blood poisoning after hospital staff members refused to abort her 4-month-old fetus even though she had begun to miscarry. Her death sparked large protests in Dublin by those demanding that the government lay down guidelines for emergency abortions and counter-demonstrations by those against any liberalization.

Opponents of the new law are particularly concerned by a provision that allows abortion if the woman is suicidal over her pregnancy. Three doctors would have to concur in that case, but anti-abortion campaigners fear the provision is open to abuse and are likely to appeal passage of the law to the Supreme Court, even though Higgins opted not to.

Before signing the law, Higgins convened a meeting Monday of Ireland's Council of State, composed of senior public figures, to discuss the bill. The Irish Times reported that 21 of 24 members attended — the largest gathering of the council in more than 75 years — and talked for 3½ hours. Details of the discussion were not released.

Despite its waning influence in Ireland because of its sex abuse scandals, the Roman Catholic Church helped lead opposition to the bill.

The government of Prime Minister Enda Kenny was equally adamant that the bill should pass, and his parliamentary majority guaranteed it. Still, Kenny threatened lawmakers in his Fine Gael party with expulsion from its parliamentary caucus if they voted against the bill, and at least one government minister lost her post as a result.
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The new law does not permit a woman to terminate a pregnancy under any circumstance; rather it allows abortion only when two doctors certify that a woman's life would be at "real and substantial risk" if the pregnancy continued. Only one physician's authorization is necessary in the event of an immediate emergency.

Dunno, but are any of these exceptions(ie-to save the life of the woman, and even in cases of ****) biblical as well? I know this is pretty sensitive(and I understand), but nonetheless scripture says...

Matthew 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.


Matthew 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:29  Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Mat 10:30  But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Mat 10:31  Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.



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Opponents of the new law are particularly concerned by a provision that allows abortion if the woman is suicidal over her pregnancy. Three doctors would have to concur in that case, but anti-abortion campaigners fear the provision is open to abuse and are likely to appeal passage of the law to the Supreme Court, even though Higgins opted not to.

And this very thing happened when Ronald Reagan pushed a pro-abortion bill when governor of California in the late 1960's. Apparently, the so-called language in the bill allowed women to have an abortion if they could prove(to a psychiatrist) that having the baby would cause them mental anguish. Result? About 800K abortions happened in California under Reagan's watch as governor, and Roe V Wade being made the law of the land followed shortly after(ie-only 2 states legalized abortion before Reagan pushed this bill, then more states followed suit subsequently).

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223437/reagans-darkest-hour/paul-kengor
January 22, 2008 4:00 AM
Reagan’s Darkest Hour 

"Therapeutic" abortion in California.


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On June 14, 1967, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act, after only six months as California governor. From a total of 518 legal abortions in California in 1967, the number of abortions would soar to an annual average of 100,000 in the remaining years of Reagan’s two termsmore abortions than in any U.S. state prior to the advent of Roe v. Wade. Reagan’s signing of the abortion bill was an ironic beginning for a man often seen as the modern father of the pro-life movement. How did this happen?

When the issue surfaced in the first months of his governorship, Reagan was unsure how to react. Surprising as it may seem today, in 1967 abortion was not the great public issue that it is today. Reagan later admitted that abortion had been “a subject I’d never given much thought to.” Moreover, his aides were divided on the question.

Reagan began to vigorously study the issue and the Therapeutic Abortion Act. He asked his longtime adviser and Cabinet secretary Bill Clark — a devout Catholic who had contemplated the priesthood — for counsel. “Bill, I’ve got to know more — theologically, philosophically, medically,” Reagan confided. Clark loaded up the governor with a box of reading materials, which he took home and read in semi-seclusion. Edmund Morris later said that, by the time the Therapeutic Abortion Act reached his desk, “Reagan was quoting Saint Thomas Aquinas.” Years later, Reagan remarked that he did “more studying and soul searching” on the issue than any other as governor.
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but are any of these exceptions(ie-to save the life of the woman, and even in cases of ****) biblical as well?

Personally, I don't believe so. The reason is that man didn't make the pregnancy happen. I believe it is God that says who gets a child, thus it is God that gave them the child, and the person wants to kill it because they have no faith in God to watch out for a child's, and mother's, health?

They whine they need it because of ****. Really? Lots of women don't get pregnant from being raped. In fact, it's rare. That excuse is just a ploy to play on people's emotions. These people don't consider that God may well be using them for a purpose unrelated to the **** victim. Maybe God has plans for that child, we don't know, seeing God has decided a woman is to have a child.

"For who hath known the mind of the Lord..."

No, there is no exceptions. I believe that they should try to save ALL life, seeing they fancy themselves as people who can heal sick people.
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