Message #42907

[Mark]

Mark, Pinto's view on Revelation is that of Historicism - this escatology view believes that the Rev 13 Antichrist prophecy happened in a 1260 year period(where 1 day is interpreted as 1 year) from the 6th century to the 18th century. This is also the exact same view the 7th Day Adventists hold. This is why he believes the mark of the beast is nothing but an allegory, and ultimately believes you still can get saved even if you (allegorically)take it.

THIS is where he is in error - Historicism(and A-Mill for that matter too) are escatology views created by the Catholic Church. Some of those "influential evangelists" like Matthew Henry, John Wesley, and Charles Spurgeon also held to this view(I have Henry's commentary - and suffice to say, his views on Matthew 24, 2nd The 2, Daniel, and Revelation was so allegorical, they didn't make sense).

And like I mentioned in another thread - it wasn't until the 19th century when churches started to embrace the Historicism view(which is also where Pinto is in error). Otherwise, prior to that - early church fathers and believers prior held to the proper future end times view.

As for trying to interpret that 1260 days = 1260 years...

1) It's not clear when the Papal reign started(some say 4th century, others say 5th century). They also try to claim it ended in the late 18th century. Well, in our present day, the Papacy STILL exists. Whatever their reasonings...

2) This particular passage they cherry-pick, DESPITE the fact that scripture makes it clear it's ONLY for ISRAEL AT THE TIME...

Ezekiel 4:5  For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.
Eze 4:6  And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Yes - notice in verse 6, for example, it clearly says for the HOUSE OF JUDAH. But somehow the Historicism crowd tries to apply this EVERYWHERE, including Revelation 13.

uhm, no it isnt. All 4 of these guys are basing it on the belief that God is calling people to repent, so if the end-times is to get people to repent, and if you repent your sins, than this can be forgiven too. This has nothing to do with replacemnt theology.