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Romney: "White Horse Prophecy".

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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 11:47:48 am »

I don't see Ron Paul changing to Independent. That came up last round and he said no way. I don't see him doing it this time either. Paul knows what the deal is in Washington. He knows there is no way he'll get elected. He's just playing to his constituents. Keeps him in office and relevant for his political career.

Barring some kind of career-destroying news release, it looks lke Romney and Obama for all the marbles. The other's are just vote takers.
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 09:19:04 am »

It looks like he is going to be the nominee, with Paul most likely going to run as an independent to suck votes away from Mitt so we will have Obama again.

Or what if the 7 year trib starts this year, before the election? Then all of this will be moot. Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2012, 09:32:09 am »

Or what if the 7 year trib starts this year, before the election? Then all of this will be moot. Smiley

I dont know, i dont see any super charismatic person on the rise in either Europe or the Middle East. There has to be some kind of global catastrophe in order for the Anti-Christ to rise to power. I just dont see it happening with out that.
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Romney Parks Millions in Cayman Islands

Although it is not apparent on his financial disclosure form, Mitt Romney has millions of dollars of his personal wealth in investment funds set up in the Cayman Islands, a notorious Caribbean tax haven.
A spokesperson for the Romney campaign says Romney follows all tax laws and he would pay the same in taxes regardless of where the funds are based.
As the race for the Republican nomination heats up, Mitt Romney is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain a shroud of secrecy around the details about his vast personal wealth, including, as ABC News has discovered, his investment in funds located offshore and his ability to pay a lower tax rate.
"His personal finances are a poster child of what's wrong with the American tax system," said Jack Blum, a Washington lawyer who is an authority on tax enforcement and offshore banking.
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I dont know, i dont see any super charismatic person on the rise in either Europe or the Middle East. There has to be some kind of global catastrophe in order for the Anti-Christ to rise to power. I just dont see it happening with out that.

That's what I'm thinking, maybe not a single event, but things will suddently seem like they are really out of control. Kind of a time of panic. May well include some military action in places we haven't seen in awhile, but those events won't be "The End". But it will be a time of people freaking out, more so than now. Rather, it's just the beginning of sorrows!

Strangley, I kind of see it like a hurricane. The storms arrives, then the calm of the "eye" of the storm, then it usually gets worse as the backside of the storm passes. With this storm, they will see the full force of the storm surge!

I see us as facing down the storm, as it's on the horizon, and the winds are picking up.

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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2012, 11:23:39 pm »


Yahoo! audience reacts: 63% say Obama made the case for a second term


We followed your reactions online to Tuesday's State of the Union address by President Barack Obama. On Twitter, you were talking about the women in the room--Gabrielle Giffords was the top trending topic on Twitter at the start of the speech after her touching embrace with the president, and Hillary Clinton and the phrase "First Lady" were top terms in "#sotu"-tagged tweets.
At the end of the speech we asked the Yahoo! audience if they felt Obama had made the case for a second term: Of the more than 16,300 respondents, 63 percent said he should get another four years.
Obama search switches from singing to SOTU
In the hours before the speech, the top Obama search was "Obama sings at Apollo," referencing the president's recent bravo performance at the Apollo theater where he sang Al Green's "Let's Stay Together."

At 9 p.m. EST, when the speech began, the top searches for the president's name were "President Obama" and "Obama State of the Union" and "Obama speech."

Obama more searched than GOP primary candidates
More people have searched for Obama today on Yahoo! than for all of the Republican candidates combined on the day of any recent GOP primary contest.
Yahoo! audience: Obama deserves more credit for Iraq; Bush tax cuts for wealthy should expire
Of nearly 13,000 participants in a poll of Yahoo! readers, 62 percent felt the president deserved more credit for bringing troops home from Iraq, and of 9,450 respondents, 84 percent agreed with Obama that it was time to phase out Bush-era tax cuts on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans.
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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2012, 09:04:50 pm »


Romney holds 8-percentage point lead in Florida

JACKSONVILLE, Florida (Reuters) - Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has opened up a lead of 8 percentage points over rival Newt Gingrich in a Reuters/Ipsos poll in Florida, as he regains front-runner status in the Republican race.
The online poll released on Friday showed Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and private-equity executive, ahead of Gingrich by 41 percent to 33 percent among likely voters in Florida's January 31 Republican primary.
It confirms Romney's recovery in polls, aided by strong debate performances, after a stinging defeat at the South Carolina primary vote last weekend.
Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum trails with 13 percent and Texas Congressman Ron Paul would get 5 percent of the vote.
"We've had a pretty wild ride here throughout this primary process but right now in Florida it looks like Romney's back on top," said Chris Jackson, research director for Ipsos Public Affairs.
Other polls in Florida have shown Romney pulling ahead of Gingrich, a former speaker of the House of Representatives.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted on Thursday and Friday, partially capturing likely voters after the most recent debate in Jacksonville where Romney was seen as a clear winner.
Statistical margins of error are not applicable to online surveys but this poll of 732 likely voters has a credibility interval of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.
Conservatives are still somewhat splintered. The poll found that Gingrich and Romney would be virtually tied if Santorum and Paul dropped out of the race.
Romney would win by 50 percent to 48 percent if the race were just between him and Gingrich.
Gingrich has also suffered in recent days from high-profile allies of Romney criticizing the former speaker's tenure in Congress, as well as from a barrage of attack advertisements against him.
Florida allows voters to cast their ballots by mail ahead of time, and 29 percent said they had already done so. Romney led Gingrich by 7 percentage points among this group. Among those who have yet to vote, Romney held a 9-point lead.
Questions in the poll include whether participants voted in previous elections, their likelihood of voting in the upcoming election and their interest in following news about the campaign.
Friday's Reuters/Ipsos survey is the first of four daily tracking polls being released ahead of Tuesday's primary.
(Editing by Alistair Bell; Editing by Sandra Maler)
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Worldview Weekend Radio with Brannon Howse

Brannon’s guest for the first segment is Pastor Jason Carlson. Topic: Ruth Graham says she practices yoga. (in the original description we INCORRECTLY said Anne Graham, sorry for the confusion). Why is this not Biblical and very concerning? Topic: On Sunday, April 22, Glenn Beck, (a Mormon) James Robison,(an “evangelica”) Jay Richards (a Catholic) and Jim Garlow(an “evangelical”) united for two services at Jim Garlow’s church. The reason this is important is because James Robison and Jim Garlow are embraced by many evangelical leaders, radio networks, and pastors. Listen to some of these sound clips and decide for yourself is their spiritual enterprises and this spiritual service is a violation of 2 Corinthians 6:14, 2 John 9-11 and Romans 16:17. Hear several audio clips from this three hour event that Brannon believes reveals the unbiblical state of much of “evangelism” today. Hear as people at the church applaud when Glenn Beck says he is a Mormon. Brannon describes the agenda of these speakers as ecumenical moralizing. There was talk about a Mormon and a Catholic working with evangelicals to become the body of Christ, to reclaim America, to turn America back to God, to fulfill what the Holy Spirit’s desires that all faiths work together and there was proclamations that God wants us to do this and God wants us to do that. Brannon plays one sound clip and reveals that Beck seems to now be following some of the Word of Faith doctrine making Beck a New Age, Word of Faith Mormon. The syncretism just keeps rolling on.

Audio: http://worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-21124
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Worldview Weekend Radio with Brannon Howse

Brannon’s guest for the first segment is Pastor Jason Carlson. Topic: Ruth Graham says she practices yoga. (in the original description we INCORRECTLY said Anne Graham, sorry for the confusion). Why is this not Biblical and very concerning? Topic: On Sunday, April 22, Glenn Beck, (a Mormon) James Robison,(an “evangelica”) Jay Richards (a Catholic) and Jim Garlow(an “evangelical”) united for two services at Jim Garlow’s church. The reason this is important is because James Robison and Jim Garlow are embraced by many evangelical leaders, radio networks, and pastors. Listen to some of these sound clips and decide for yourself is their spiritual enterprises and this spiritual service is a violation of 2 Corinthians 6:14, 2 John 9-11 and Romans 16:17. Hear several audio clips from this three hour event that Brannon believes reveals the unbiblical state of much of “evangelism” today. Hear as people at the church applaud when Glenn Beck says he is a Mormon. Brannon describes the agenda of these speakers as ecumenical moralizing. There was talk about a Mormon and a Catholic working with evangelicals to become the body of Christ, to reclaim America, to turn America back to God, to fulfill what the Holy Spirit’s desires that all faiths work together and there was proclamations that God wants us to do this and God wants us to do that. Brannon plays one sound clip and reveals that Beck seems to now be following some of the Word of Faith doctrine making Beck a New Age, Word of Faith Mormon. The syncretism just keeps rolling on.

Audio: http://worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-21124

good program...  Smiley
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A new kind of Republican?


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Mia Love is unlike any  Congressional candidate ever -- she is African-American, she is Mormon, and she is conservative. Republicans have deemed her race in Utah's newly drawn 4th district one of the top ten most important races in the country, vowing to spare no expense to get her to Congress. If she wins, Love would be the first black Republican woman ever elected to the House of Representatives.
Check out this week's Spinners and Winners to hear Love's first order of business should she get to Washington, and her response to people who say her race is playing an out-sized role in all the attention she is receiving from the Republican party.
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The Mormon Plan for America and the Rise of Mitt Romney       
Written by Ed Decker     
Monday, 04 July 2011 23:42 
The Mormon Plan for America
The Rise of Mitt Romney
The Man Who Would Be God
Ed Decker

From the book: My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood

This is just a peek inside this important chapter

The very ethos of the Mormon faith is built around the anticipated return of Jesus to Independence, Missouri, for his thousand-year millennial reign. It is here that he will assign godhood to the worthy. However, it cannot take place until the U.S. Constitution falters and is saved by the LDS church. The nation will become a Mormon theocracy. Mitt Romney has raised Mormon speculation that this may be the time and that he may be the one to lead the way as both U.S. President and LDS high priest.

Almost 30 Years ago, the late BYU Professor and LDS author Cleon Skousen founded the Freemen Institute [later to be called The National Center for Constitutional Studies]. The name came from the Book of Mormon

And those who were desirous that Pahoran should remain chief judge over the land took upon them the name of freemen; and thus was the division among them, for the freemen had sworn or covenanted to maintain their rights and the privileges of their religion by a free government. Alma 51: 6-7

Skousen joined forces with Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority on some major political issues late 70s and early 80s and I was prompted to study out both the public and the LDS insider position on government, the constitution. [LDS say it is a divine document from the hand of God] Using that research, I produced a Study called “The Mormon Plan for America”.

When George Romney, Mitt’s father, made his aborted run for President in 1968, there was a lot in internal LDS talk about the last days prophecies that the US constitution would hang by a thread to be saved by the elders of the LDS church. Many felt that the day had finally arrived for the actual “Kingdom of God” to be established.

This pure form of theocratic, prophet led government would prepare the way for the ushering in of the millennium, the time when Jesus would return to earth, sit in his temple in Missouri to reign over the earth, with the center of His government operated as the “Kingdom of God” on earth.

The actual background for all these whispered conversations came from much of the historical documents of the church and the speeches of many of the early church authorities.

It goes something like this.  Joseph Smith implemented a program called the United Order in the church… It was a plan of sharing... everything in common, all properties and wealth turned over and owned by the church and dispersed by the Brethren to the people on an as needed basis with a requirement for good stewardship or loss of use.

It was called the “Kingdom of God.”  It was people living as God ordained under the United Order.  However, it failed.

It was later determined that it could only work when both the secular and ecclesiastic functions operated under one authority... An LDS prophet ruling over a theocratic government where eternal commandments like the United Order and plural marriage and blood atonement would function within “The Kingdom of God”

That Theocracy would come into existence when the US Constitution would hang by a thread and the Mormon elders would be there to save it and the country and thereby usher in The Kingdom of God, the prophesied Mormon theocracy.

On December 7, 1968 Elder Hugh B. Brown presided over the groundbreaking of the LDS Washington D.C. Temple. It was dedicated in November 1974 by the prophet, Spencer W. Kimball.

The unique thing about this temple that struck me as singularly important was the design and furnishing of a large room on the upper floor. A photograph of this room is in the film, The Godmakers. It was set to house a presiding governing body.

It is my own personal belief that it was designed as the place where the theocratic government of God would conduct its business, with the prophet in His place of authority.

Now we jump ahead 40 years to 2007… and the 2008 Presidential election.  A whole generation has passed and the son of George Romney has risen to the top of the list of Mormons who would qualify to take that run at the Oval Office and perhaps be in the right place as President or Vice President   as the Constitution hangs by that foretold thread… and be there to call upon the elders, the Brethren to save the nation and soon usher in the “Kingdom of God.”

Far fetched... I would agree that I sound like a man shouting fire in a theatre, but, as you will read, I am talking about valid LDS end-times teachings...

You will also see that Mitt Romney has been raised and trained for this day. His family has been in the church for generations.  He is the great grandson of polygamists Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt.[1]

Mitt Romney is a Temple Mormon, a High Priest, and as such he has sworn blood oaths of sacrifice, obedience and consecration to the church and the “Kingdom of God.”   His perfect obedience to these laws will allow him to become a god in the next life, the literal father of the peoples of a new and different earth.  He is truly a Presidential candidate with an actual, definable god complex.

On February 12, 2007, as Mitt Romney announced that he would run for the office of President, he commented in a USA Today, article, Will Mormon faith hurt bid for White House? By Jill Lawrence, that…

… It is not his job as a presidential candidate to educate people about his church. "I'm running for a secular position," he said in an interview. "I subscribe to what Abraham Lincoln called America's political religion. The Constitution and the rule of law are the highest promises I would make in taking the oath of office."


Mitt Romney’s LDS understanding of the U.S. Constitution and its divine role in the end times is not that of the average American.

Mitt Romney is a nice looking man, successful in the business world, with core values of family, church and faith. He does not smoke, drink or even touch coffee or tea. He has been married to the same woman for decades. He seems like the cure for dealing with the corruption of our national leadership. What could possibly be wrong in having such a man as our President?  Let’s look at some of the reasons his presidency could be the end of America as we know it.

I recently searched through my files and have resurrected and updated the research paper, The Mormon Plan for America. That information is part of what I share below.


Some Extremely Grave Questions

Let me re-introduce  you to a portion of one chapter in my book, The God Makers, co-authored with Dave Hunt.[2] It is a part of Chapter 16: The Hidden Kingdom. I suggest that you buy the book and read the entire story. It will shock you even more than what I will reveal here. It is a hidden kingdom that lurks beneath the placid surface of public Mormonism.   It is this  LDS “Kingdom of God”  that former Governor, Mitt Romney has sworn blood oaths of obedience to in the  LDS Temple ritual. The Late Apostle and LDS theologian,  elder Bruce. R. McConkie described the Mormon temples as "Holy sanctuaries wherein sacred ordinances, rites, and ceremonies are performed which pertain to salvation and exaltation in the kingdom of God are called temples."

There are several purposes to be achieved in the temple by  worthy Mormons. First, they learn the secret/sacred signs, tokens, handshakes necessary to pass by the sentinels and enter the Celestial glory where they will become gods and goddesses and people new earths like this one.

Second, they receive sacred undergarments to wear for their protection while on earth, a secret  new name by which they will be called from the grave and then swear obedience to certain laws that will govern their membership, obedience to the prophet and their behavior while on earth.

Mitt Romney’s temple experience was no different when he first received his “endowments” in preparation for his 30 month stint as an LDS Missionary.


The Law of Sacrifice

One of several temple oaths was  his oath of Obedience to the Law of Sacrifice, in which he vowed,

“As Jesus Christ has laid down his life for the redemption of mankind, so we should covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our [my] own lives [life] if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God.” [3]

The “execution of the penalty” for ‘disobedience at the time Mitt Romney took out his “temple Endowments” was demonstrated by


“by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side”[4].


It is hard to imagine that well-educated Mormon men of such political stature like former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Utah Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah or Senator Harry Reid of Nevada could bring their thumbs to their throats and swear a blood oath that they will ‘suffer’ their throats slit from ear to ear should they not “sacrifice all that [they] possess, even [their] own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God, as defined by the Mormon prophet.


These LDS oaths are taken directly from the rituals of Blue Lodge Masonry, the source of much of the LDS Temple rituals. It is no wonder, since the first 5 presidents and prophets of the LDS church were Masons.


These high level Temple Mormons clearly know that this Mormon “Kingdom of God” is, in reality,  a Mormon one-world government, a theocracy, soon coming to America,  that will be run by the strong arm of the Mormon Brethren, headed up by the only true prophet of God on earth.  However, it is clear that they did swear such an oath.


The Law of Consecration

The other significant oath Mitt Romney has sworn to obey is the Law of Consecration. In the LDS temple ritual, the officiator says to the temple ‘patrons’,

We are instructed to give unto you the Law of Consecration as contained in the book of Doctrine and Covenants, in connection with the Law of the Gospel and the Law of Sacrifice which you have already received. It is that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents and everything which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

All arise. (All patrons stand.) Each of you bring your right arm to the square.

You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in  the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Each of you bow your head and say "yes."   


Now we can see and understand the spiritual positioning of elder Mitt Romney beginning on that first day and reinforced with every temple visit thereafter. Let’s go back to  Chapter 16 of my book, The God Makers, ”


Secrets of the Hidden Kingdom of God


Mormon leaders call their empire the "Kingdom of God." However, their "God" is an extraterrestrial from Kolob, definitely not the God of the Bible; and the "Zion" to which their spirit-brother-of-Lucifer Jesus Christ will return to reign is Independence, Missouri.


Most Christians believe, as the Bible declares, that Christ will return to Jerusalem, Israel, to establish His millennial kingdom, whereas Mormons believe that they must establish a worldwide Mormon kingdom dictated from their Missouri base in order to make it possible for Christ to return.


Therein lays a great difference, which is why the Mormon hierarchy, beginning with Joseph Smith himself, has always had worldwide and absolute political power as its goal.


Mormon historian Klaus J. Hansen has written,


"The idea of a political kingdom of God, promulgated by a secret Council of Fifty, is by far the most important key to an understanding of the Mormon past."[5]


Mormon writer John J. Stewart has said:


“The Prophet established a confidential Council of Fifty, or "Ytfif," (Fifty spelled backwards), comprised of both Mormons and non-Mormons, to help attend to temporal matters, including the eventual development of a one-world government, in harmony with preparatory plans for the second advent of the Saviour”.[6]


Let’s jump ahead to the section called:  Some Extremely Grave Questions


Mormonism seems as American as apple pie, and Mormons seem to be the perfect citizens with their close families, high morals, patriotism, Boy Scout programs, Tabernacle Choir, and conservative politics. A Los Angeles Times article implied that Mormons have recently gained the image of "super-Americans . . . [who] appear to many to be 'more American than the average American.” [7]This may explain why such a high proportion of Mormons find their way into government. Returned LDS missionaries have "the three qualities the CIA wants: foreign language ability, training in a foreign country, and former residence in a foreign country."[8] Utah (and particularly BYU) is one of the prime recruiting areas for the CIA. According to BYU spokesman Dr. Gary Williams, "We've never had any trouble placing anyone who has applied to the CIA. Every year they take almost anybody who applies."[9] He also admitted that this has created problems with a number of foreign countries, who have complained about the "pretty good dose of [Mormon] missionaries who've gone back to the countries they were in as Central Intelligence agents."[10]


This may at least partially explain the reported close tie between the Mormon Church and the CIA.[11] A disproportionate number of Mormons arrive at the higher levels of the CIA, FBI, military intelligence, armed forces, and all levels of city, state, and federal governments, including the Senate, Congress, Cabinet, and White House Staff. Sincere and loyal citizens, most of them may be unaware of the secret ambition of The Brethren. What could be better than having such patriots as these serving in strategic areas of government and national security?


Unfortunately, as we have noticed in every other area of Mormonism, the real truth lies hidden beneath the seemingly ideal image of patriotism presented by Mormons in public service. In fact their very presence in responsible government positions, particularly in agencies dealing with national security, raises some extremely grave questions  that were expressed in my following letter mailed to the LDS Brethren in Salt Lake City.  I also published it as an open letter in the Salt Lake Tribune.


The Mormon Oath of Vengeance Against this Nation

An open letter to:

The President, First Presidency and members of the General Authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

August 21, 1980


I was recently reflecting that although the actual blood oath and the oath of vengeance were removed from the Temple ceremonies sometime after 1930, you gentlemen [listing ten of the above] are of an age to have received your own endowments prior to their removal, and therefore, are still under these oaths.


I am particularly interested in your personal position on your oath of vengeance against the United States of America. As you recall, the oath was basically as follows:

You and each of you do solemnly promise and vow that you will pray and never cease to importune high heaven to AVENGE THE BLOOD OF THE PROPHETS (Joseph and Hiram Smith) ON THIS NATION, and that you will teach this to your children and your children's children unto the third and fourth generation.


Have you officially renounced this oath? Or are you still bound by it?

If you have not renounced it, how can you presume to lead four-and-one-half [now over  six and a half million Americans] million people [US citizens] under item 12 of your Articles of Faith and still be bound to call upon heaven to heap curses upon our nation? ("We believe in being subject to Kings, Presidents, Rulers and Magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.")


If you have renounced it, how can you justify having sworn such an oath in the most holy of holy places on this earth, before the sacred altar of your omnipotent God, and then renounce it? Gentlemen, I call upon you to repent of this abomination and proclaim to both the Mormon people and to the people of the United States of America that you renounce that oath and all it represents.


I also call upon all members of the Mormon Church who hold office in our government, serve in the Armed Services, work for the FBI and CIA who have gone through the Mormon Temple and sworn oaths of obedience and sacrifice to the church and its leaders (above), to repent of these oaths in the light of the obvious conflict of interest between their pledge of allegiance to the USA and their higher loyalty to a group of men who are sworn to seek vengeance against this great nation.


(Signed) J. Edward Decker

cc: President J. Carter

Mr. Ronald Reagan


No response was received to this letter. The Brethren are so powerful that they are immune to criticism and feel no need to explain themselves or account to anyone for these actions. The Mormon Church already packs a political punch far out of proportion to its size. The Wall Street Journal explained how, in spite of the Constitution separation between Church and State, public schools in Utah are used to instill Mormonism in young minds. It mentioned political reapportionment, airline deregulation, the basing of the MX missile and the ERA as political issues affected by the power of the Church. For example, when the Church opposed the MX for Utah, those plans were immediately dropped by the federal government. The same Wall Street Journal article quoted the following statement from J.D. Williams, a University of Utah political science professor:


There is a disquieting statement in Mormonism: "When the leaders have spoken, the thinking has been done." To me, democracy can't thrive in that climate. They [Mormon politicians] don't have to be called to Church headquarters for political instruction. They know what they're supposed to do. That's why non-Mormons can only look toward the Mormon Church and wonder: "What is Big Brother doing to me today?"[12]


A Disturbing Possibility


While the election of a Mormon President seems unlikely, it is highly probable under the present swing toward conventional morality and conservatism that a Mormon could one day become a Republican vice-Presidential nominee. This is especially true when one considers the growing cooperating between Mormons and Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell  and groups like the Moral Majority. With the power, wealth, wide influence, numerous highly-placed Mormons, and large voting block under their virtual control, The Brethren have a great deal to offer a Republican Presidential candidate. Let's assume that a Mormon Vice-Presidential candidate is on the winning ticket, and thereafter the President dies in office or is assassinated, causing the Mormon to succeed him as President of the United States.


There is every reason to believe that the new President would immediately begin to gather around him increasing numbers of zealous Temple Mormons in strategic places at the highest levels of government. A crisis similar to the one which Mormon prophecies "foretold" occurs, in which millions of Mormons with their year's supply of food, guns, and ammunition play a key role. It would be a time of excitement and zealous effort by the "Saints" to fulfill Joseph Smith's and Brigham Young's "prophecy":


The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.[13]


Not only does Mormonism predict the "saving" of America, but the precedent for an attempted takeover by force or subterfuge through political means has been set by the founding "Prophet" himself. In 1834 Joseph Smith organized an army and marched toward Independence, Missouri, to "redeem Zion." In spite of a humiliating surrender to the Missouri Militia that proved his bold "Prophecies" false, the "Prophet" later formed the "Nauvoo Legion" and commissioned himself a Lieutenant-General to command it. Lyman L. Woods stated:


I have seen him on a white horse wearing the uniform of a general. . . .

He was leading a parade of the Legion and looked like a god.[14]


Joseph Smith was not only ordained King on earth, but he ran for President of the United States just before his death, at which time Mormon missionaries across the country became "a vast force of political [power]."[15] Today's Church leaders are urging Mormons to prepare themselves for the coming crisis in order to succeed where past "Saints" have failed. A major article in the LDS Ensign magazine about being prepared included this oft-repeated warning reminder:


The commandment to reestablish Zion became for the Saints of Joseph Smith's day the central goal of the church. But it was a goal the Church did not realize because its people were not fully prepared.[16]


Going back to our hypothetical crisis, what Mormons unsuccessfully attempted against impossible odds in the past they might very well accomplish with much better odds in this future scenario. Under cover of the national and international crisis, the Mormon President of the United States acts boldly and decisively to assume dictatorial powers. With the help of The Brethren and Mormons everywhere, he appears to save America and becomes a national hero. At this time he is made Prophet and President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Mormon Kingdom of God, while still President of the United States. There is no provision in the Constitution to prevent this.


With the government largely in the hands of increasing numbers of Mormon [and Masonic] appointees at all levels throughout the United States, the Constitutional prohibition against the establishment of a state church would no longer be enforceable. Mormon prophecies and the curse upon the United States government in revenge for the blood of Joseph and Hyrum Smith would seemingly have been fulfilled. In effect, the United States would have become a theocracy exactly as planned by The Brethren, completing the first step in the Mormon takeover of the world. LDS President John Taylor boasted of it 100 years ago:

Let us now notice our political position in the world. What are we going to do? We are going to possess the earth . . . and reign over it for ever and ever.  Now, ye Kings and Emperors help yourselves if you can. This is the truth and it may as well be told at this time as at any other. There's a good time coming, Saints, a good time coming![17]

A More Likely Scenario


While the above presents an extremely disturbing possibility, it may seem highly speculative and improbable. There is another scenario, however, which is equally disturbing and much more likely. It arises from the fact that Mormonism is actual part of something much larger.


We have already noted that the "revelations" that Joseph Smith received, far from being unique, were in fact very similar to the basic philosophy underlying many occult groups and secret revolutionary societies. Thus far in history, these numerous occult/revolutionary organizations have remained largely separate and in competition with one another.


If something should happen to unite them, and at the same time their beliefs should gain worldwide acceptance, a new and unimaginably powerful force for world revolution would have come into existence. There is increasing evidence of a new and growing secular/religious ecumenism persuasive enough to accomplish this unprecedented and incalculably powerful coalition.


It could be the means of creating the one-world government that has not only been the long-standing hope and plan of The Brethren and many other occult/revolutionary leaders, but is increasingly gaining a wide acceptance through New Age networks as the only viable option to a nuclear holocaust and/or ecological collapse. [End of quote from The God Makers, Chapter 16.]



Let’s review this once more from the top before we thread Mitt Romney’s bid for the Presidency into the mix.



Mormonism Teaches That:


The Constitution will hang by a thread, to be saved by the Mormon Church.


Will the Constitution be destroyed?  No, it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from destruction.” It will be so. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses [JOD] Vol. 7, page 150).


…And when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single  thread, they will have to call for the “Mormon” Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it. (Brigham Young, JOD, Vol. 2, page 317).


…We shall spread abroad, and the day shall  will come – and this is another prediction of Joseph Smith’s -  I want to remind you of it, my brethren and sisters, when good government, constitutional government, liberty will be found among the Latter-day Saints, and it will be sought for in vain elsewhere…… The day will come when the constitution and free government under it will be sustained and preserved by this people. (George Q. Cannon, JOD, Vol 23, page 104).


The Mormons will usher in a Theocracy, or “The Kingdom of God”, directed by the Lord’s Prophet (LDS).


With the restoration of the gospel and the setting up of the ecclesiastical Kingdom of God, the restoration of the true government of God commenced. Through this church and Kingdom, a framework has been built through which the full government of God will eventually operate. … The present ecclesiastical kingdom will be expanded into a political kingdom also, and then both civil and ecclesiastical affairs will be administered through it. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 338).


Brigham Young confirmed that when the LDS Kingdom of God was in control, the American flag would fly above us.


When the day comes in which the Kingdom of God will bear rule, the flag of the United States will proudly flutter unsullied on the flag staff of liberty and equal rights, without a spot t sully its fair surface; the glorious flag our fathers have bequeathed to us will then be unfurled to the breeze by those who have power to hoist it aloft and defend its sanctity. (Brigham Young JOD, Vol. 2, page 317).


The Mormons will possess the whole earth and reign over it.  As the Civil and Religious laws become one, the “United Order” will become the “Kingdom of God”.

Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come— (D&C 104, verse 1).


The poor will be exalted and the rich made low. All property, including liquid assets will be deeded to the “kingdom” (Church), all money turned in. Some property will be conditionally ‘deeded’ back for us to “manage” as is deemed necessary for each man.


This is spelled out in the Doctrine & Covenants 42:

28 Thou knowest my laws concerning these things are given in my scriptures; he that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out.

29 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments.

30 And behold, thou wilt remember the poor, and consecrate of thy properties for their support that which thou hast to impart unto them, with a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken.

31 And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church and his counselors, two of the elders, or high priests, such as he shall appoint or has appointed and set apart for that purpose.

32 And it shall come to pass, that after they are laid before the bishop of my church, and after that he has received these testimonies concerning the consecration of the properties of my church, that they cannot be taken from the church, agreeable to my commandments, every man shall be made accountable unto me, a steward over his own property, or that which he has received by consecration, as much as is sufficient for himself and family.

33 And again, if there shall be properties in the hands of the church, or any individuals of it, more than is necessary for their support after this first consecration, which is a residue to be consecrated unto the bishop, it shall be kept to administer to those who have not, from time to time, that every man who has need may be amply supplied and receive according to his wants.

34 Therefore, the residue shall be kept in my storehouse, to administer to the poor and the needy, as shall be appointed by the high council of the church, and the bishop and his council;


If a man shall transgress this law, it shall ALL be taken from him, without recourse. All this is for the benefit of the Church. He who sins against this shall be cursed and delivered over to Satan. Lands shall be gotten by purchase or by blood when there is a problem in obtaining it.  Every Mormon in the world swears an oath of obedience to the Law of Consecration and the Law of Sacrifice... in the Temple rites. They are bound by blood oath to honor their word.


Let’s look at the portion of the Revelation, Doctrines & Covenants 104, given to Joseph Smith the Prophet, April 23, 1834, concerning the United Order, which set this in its spiritual place.


1 Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come—

2 With promise immutable and unchangeable, that inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings;

3 But inasmuch as they were not faithful they were nigh unto cursing.

4 Therefore, inasmuch as some of my servants have not kept the commandment, but have broken the covenant through covetousness, and with feigned words, I have cursed them with a very sore and grievous curse.

5 For I, the Lord, have decreed in my heart, that inasmuch as any man belonging to the order shall be found a transgressor, or, in other words, shall break the covenant with which ye are bound, he shall be cursed in his life, and shall be trodden down by whom I will;

6 For I, the Lord, am not to be mocked in these things—

7 And all this that the innocent among you may not be condemned with the unjust; and that the guilty among you may not escape; because I, the Lord, have promised unto you a crown of glory at my right hand.

8 Therefore, inasmuch as you are found transgressors, you cannot escape my wrath in your lives.

9 Inasmuch as ye are cut off for transgression, ye cannot escape the buffetings of Satan until the day of redemption.

10 And I now give unto you power from this very hour, that if any man among you, of the order, is found a transgressor and repenteth not of the evil, that ye shall deliver him over unto the buffetings of Satan; and he shall not have power to bring evil upon you.

11 It is wisdom in me; therefore, a commandment I give unto you, that ye shall organize yourselves and appoint every man his stewardship;

12 That every man may give an account unto me of the stewardship which is appointed unto him.

13 For it is expedient that I, the Lord, should make every man accountable, as a steward over earthly blessings, which I have made and prepared for my creatures.

14 I, the Lord, stretched out the heavens, and built the earth, my very handiwork; and all things therein are mine.

15 And it is my purpose to provide for my saints, for all things are mine.

16 But it must needs be done in mine own way; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low.

17 For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.

18 Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment.


Is Socialism The United Order?


In a speech by this title, given at the LDS April 1966, General Conference of the Church, Mormon Elder and one of the governing Brethren of the church, Marion G. Romney, of the Council of the Twelve Apostles [and an uncle to Mitt Romney] had this to say about this United Order that Joseph Smith claimed came directly from God for the administration of properties and possessions.


Now as to the United Order, and here I will give the words of the Lord and not my words. The United Order, the Lord's program for eliminating the inequalities among men, is based upon the underlying concept that the earth and all things therein belong to the Lord and that men hold earthly possessions as stewards accountable to God.

On January 2, 1831, the Lord revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the Church was under obligation to care for the poor. (See D& C 38.) Later he said:

"I, the Lord, stretched out the heavens, and built the earth ...and all things therein are mine. And it is my purpose to provide for my saints, for all things are mine. But it must needs be done in mine own way...." (D& C 104:14-16.)

On February 9, 1831, the Lord revealed to the Prophet what his way was. (See D& C 42.) In his way there were two cardinal principles: (1) consecration and (2) stewardship.

To enter the United Order, when it was being tried, one consecrated all his possessions to the Church by a "covenant and a deed which" could not "be broken." (D& C 42:30.) That is, he completely divested himself of all of his property by conveying it to the Church.

Having thus voluntarily divested himself of title to all his property, the consecrator received from the Church a stewardship by a like conveyance. This stewardship could be more or less than his original consecration, the object being to make "every man equal according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs." (D& C 51:3.)

This procedure preserved in every man the right to private ownership and management of his property. At his own option he could alienate it or keep and operate it and pass it on to his heirs.

The intent was, however, for him to so operate his property as to produce a living for himself and his dependents. So long as he remained in the order, he consecrated to the Church the surplus he produced above the needs and wants of his family. This surplus went into a storehouse from which stewardship's were given to others and from which the needs of the poor were supplied.

These divine principles are very simple and easily understood. A comparison of them with the underlying principles of socialism reveal similarities and basic differences.

The following are similarities: Both (1) deal with production and distribution of goods; (2) aim to promote the well-being of men by eliminating their economic inequalities; (3) envision the elimination of the selfish motives in private capitalistic industrial system.

Now the differences: (1) The cornerstone of the United Order is belief in God and
acceptance of him as Lord of the earth and the author of the United Order. Socialism, wholly materialistic, is founded in the wisdom of men and not of God. Although all socialists may not be atheists, none of them in theory or practice seek the Lord to establish his righteousness. (2) The United Order is implemented by the voluntary free-will actions of men, evidenced by a consecration of all their property to the Church of God.

One time the Prophet Joseph Smith asked a question by the brethren about the inventories they were taking. His answer was to the effect, "You don't need to be concerned about the inventories. Unless a man is willing to consecrate everything he has, he doesn't come into the United Order." (Documentary History of the Church. Vol 7,pp.412-413.) On the other hand, socialism is implemented by external force, the power of the state.


What Have We Learned?

Basically, what we glean from Elder Marion Romney is that the United Order is a theocratic form of socialism. That,  as a system, it  can only  operate properly under the Law  of Consecration, as  a function of the “Kingdom Of God” as understood in the context of the authority of the only true church on earth… the Mormon Church.

Mitt Romney understands this as a function of his Mormon upbringing, training, BYU Education,  Temple worthiness and his LDS Priesthood  [both Aaronic and Melchizedek… as an elder and High Priest].

He also is the nephew of the very General Authority and Apostle of the church, Marion Romney, who taught the doctrine from the pulpit to the entire church at the General Conference in 1966.

In his defense, I do not believe that Mitt Romney is overtly plotting such an LDS “New World Order.”  I am certain it is not even in the back of his mind as he runs for office. However, as you have clearly seen, it is in his spiritual DNA, in his blood, in his roots and in his temple obligations.

In a TV interview the weekend following his 1007 announcement, he said:

“his Mormon beliefs would not handicap his run for the Republican presidential nomination.

"I'm not running for pastor in chief," Romney told ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" Sunday. "I'm running for commander in chief." The interview with the candidate and his wife Ann was videotaped earlier.[18]

In the announcement, itself, Romney stated that the USA needed transformation.

“Mitt Romney wants transformation. How do we know? The former Massachusetts Republican governor used the word 'transform' or a variant no fewer than 13 times in his presidential announcement Tuesday…. "So when he said on Tuesday, 'If there ever was a time when innovation and transformation were needed in government, it is now,' Romney was accurately describing the need to overhaul the doddering status quo in health care, education and homeland security - just for starters.

"He was also correct when he added, 'I do not believe Washington can be transformed from within by a lifelong politician.'"[19]


Remember, Mormonism Teaches That:


When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. Satan gets a great victory when we disagree or “do our own thinking”.[20]


The Church Prophet has the right to identify how the Lord would have us vote and who would dare disobey?


“Now, does the office of the President of the Church embrace the right to identify for the whole membership of the church, and all the peoples of the world for that matter how the Lord would desire that we vote on certain matters? Certainly it does! Who would dare to proscribe God?”[21]


When the prophet speaks, the debate is over.[22]


All LDS administration is done by direct Revelation from God[23]


When the Mormon leaders speak, we are to obey and believe, even if our scientific knowledge says otherwise.[24]


God can (and often does) change his mind from revelation to revelation.

“That is modern revelation. May I repeat? Modern revelation is what President Joseph Smith said, unless [then] President Spencer W. Kimball says differently”[25]


If you are told by your leader to do a thing, DO IT! None of your business if it is right or wrong.[26]


LDS Prophet (from 1985 to 1994), Ezra T. Benson proclaimed:


The Prophet rightly should be in politics… after all, we do need God in Government.

The Prophet is above all humanity, above all scripture, above all the other prophets, above scientific knowledge and Must Be Obeyed.

Sometimes, in American politics, we are asked to focus more on the platform than the candidate, because we can trust the party and the candidate’s advisors to keep the candidate on the ‘straight and narrow’ as best they can.


In Mitt Romney’s case, his oath of office has already been sworn in a sacred LDS Temple ceremony. That oath is to the Mormon Plan for America and it will supersede any oath of office as President.

And it doesn’t really matter in the LDS scheme of things if Mitt Romney does not make it to the Oval Office, or even the office of Vice President. This Mormon Plan for America has been in the shadows for over 160 years. The Brethren believe it is their birthright, their purpose, their destiny to usher in the purification of the earth for Christ’s return.


They did not give up on the plan when Joseph Smith failed in his bid for the Presidency, nor did they give up when George Romney withdrew his bid. They will rejoice if Mitt makes it, but if not, they will merely look ahead to the one who will usher in the “Kingdom of God” in the soon coming future. Meanwhile, they will continue to prompt their   people to file for every level of public office, to be ready when the wonderful fulfillment of prophecy comes.





[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

[2] Harvest House Publishers; Rev Upd Su edition, November 15, 1997

[3] http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/temple_ritual.htm

[4] IBID

[5] Klaus J. Hansen, Quest for Empire, The Political Kingdom of God and the Council of Fifty in Mormon History, pp. 55-56.


[6] John J. Stewart, op. cit., p. 204.

[7] 35 Los Angeles Times, Apr. 5, 1980, Part 1:1, p. 1.


[8] Kostman et al, op. cit.

[9] Salt Lake Tribune, Oct. 1, 1981

[10] IBID

[11] Kostman et al, op. cit.


[12] The Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 1983, p. 16.

[13] Journal of Discourses, vol.. 7, p. 15.

[14] Hyrum L. Andrus, Joseph Smith, the Man and Seer, p. 5.

[15] John J. Stewart, op. cit., p. 209; Hyrum L. Andrus, Joseph Smith and World Government, op. cit., p. 54.


[16] The Ensign, Jan. 1979, "To Prepare a People," p. 18.

[17] Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 230.

[18] UPI Staff, United Press International, February 19, 2007 WASHINGTON

[19] Romney's Campaign Of Transformation, J Pinkerton, Newsday Thursday, Feb 15, 2007


[20] Improvement Era (Official LDS church magazine), June 1945, p. 345.

[21] LDS Stake Bulletin, Renton Washington Stake, Fall, 1976.

[22] “The Debate is over”, President N. Eldon Tanner [1st Counselor to the Prophet, The Ensign, August 1979, First presidency Message.

[23] Ensign, May 1978, page 64.

[24] Elder Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, page 83

[25]Elder S. Dilworth Young,  BYU Fireside May 5, 1974

[26] President Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 32.

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Back in 2002 when Romney ran for gov and MA(and won), it was during the campaign when his opponent(O'Brien) publicly said how 16 year olds have rights to abortions. No, this was NO gaffe(alot like how the MSM tried to make you believe), and no, the "Democrats" weren't "incompetent" either in this election.

It was no more a gaffe by O'Brien than Walter Mondale saying "I promise to raise taxes!" at the 1984 Democratic National Convention.

Back then, had no idea how corrupt the entire system was - guess none of this comes to no surprise.

With that being said - look at other false cults like JWs where they lost lots of memberships b/c the Watchtower kept making so many "end of the world prophecies" that didn't come to pass. What if Romney loses in November?(b/c Obama will still be their puppet) You can bet masses will fall away from the Mormon faith.
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Eyewitnesses: Mitt Romney Attended Bilderberg 2012

Four separate hotel staff report seeing presidential candidate
Paul Joseph Watson
 Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Four separate eyewitnesses inside the Westfields Marriott hotel in Chantilly Virginia told London Guardian writer Charlie Skelton that Mitt Romney was in attendance at Bilderberg 2012, suggesting the Republican candidate could be the elite’s pick for the upcoming U.S. presidential election.
“Four eyewitnesses on the hotel staff told me Willard Mitt Romney was here at Bilderberg 2012. My four eyewitnesses place him inside. That’s one more than Woodward and Bernstein used. Romney’s office initially refused to confirm or deny his attendance as Bilderberg is “not public”. They later said it was not him,” writes Skelton.
The London Guardian writer adds that the fact Romney’s name did not appear on the official list of attendees is meaningless. Numerous power brokers, including Bill Gates, were photographed arriving at the event yet were not included on the list of participants, as is routinely the case.
With speculation already raging that Romney’s potential VP – Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels – was already being groomed by Bilderberg cronies, Romney’s appearance at the secretive confab of global power brokers suggests that he is being favored by the elite, who have seemingly lost faith in Barack Obama.
As Skelton noted in a separate report, on Saturday afternoon a limousine arrived at the hotel surrounded by a police motorcade, signaling the arrival of a “heavyweight politician”. Could this have been Mitt Romney? It’s unlikely given the fact that he was appearing at fundraisers on the west coast all weekend, but Romney’s schedule for Thursday, the first day of the Bilderberg meeting, was clear.

An invite to the Bilderberg conference has routinely proven beneficial to future Presidents and Prime Ministers.
Four years ago during a heated battle on the campaign trail, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton gave reporters the slip to attend the 2008 Bilderberg meeting at the same hotel. On precisely the same weekend as the confab was taking place, the Washington Post announced that Hillary was withdrawing from the presidential race and would support Obama.
Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were both groomed by the secretive organization in the early 1990′s before rising to prominence. Portugal’s Pedro Santana Lopes and Jose Socrates attended the 2004 meeting in Stresa, Italy before both going on to become Prime Minster of Portugal.
Bilderberg also played a key role in selecting John Edwards and John Kerry’s running mate in 2004 and Bilderberg luminary James A. Johnson also hand-picked Joe Biden as VP in 2008.
Confirmation that Romney attended Bilderberg 2012 may be hard to come by, but news that the former Governor of Massachusettes email account was compromised by a hacker could offer proof, although no emails have been leaked thus far.
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The First Mormon President: Does Faith Matter?

Barack Obama made history as the first African-American president of the United States in 2008.  This year could also be historic if GOP presumptive nominee Mitt Romney were to be elected America's first Mormon president.

That milestone will involve a number of complexities.
A Misunderstood Faith?

On the campaign trail, Romney keeps his focus simple: fix the economy. But others are fixated on something else: his faith.

He would be the first Mormon president, a topic deemed worthy of cover stories by Time and Newsweek. It's a faith not many understand.

Some call it a cult, but in an 2007 interview with CBN News Romney said he's unfazed by such charges.

"There's very little that bothers me and that's in part because when people make references that I disagree with, I generally conclude they just don't have all the facts and if they had all the facts they'd feel differently," the then-Massachusetts governor said.

At a Mormon sacrament service near Salt Lake City, the Smoot family said they're tired of being viewed differently by others but know it comes with the territory.

"You know, polygamy is always the first thing that's thrown out," Scott Smoot told CBN News. "It's been 122 years -- for me, that's two and a half lifetimes ago -- since polygamy was taken away from the church or not permitted."

The Curiosity Factor
So would Romney's faith pose a problem? According to a Gallup poll, 18 percent of Americans say they would not vote for a well-qualified presidential candidate who happened to be a Mormon.

But a Pew Research poll shows that a majority of voters who are aware of his faith say it doesn't present a problem.

Whatever the case, the scrutiny is on the way in the 2012 race for the White House.

Smoot's wife, Denise, told CBN News that if Romney became president, it would be "huge" for the faith.

"Obviously, it's going to put us out there, and we're going to get controversy on both sides," Denise Smoot said.

"And people are going to want to know his story," she continued. "They're going to want to know a little bit more about who we are. And I think for the most part, it will be positive."

As for the Mormon Church, they're ready for the questions.

"We've been under the limelight since our beginnings and this is just, perhaps, a little more intense in this Internet age and media age," LDS Church Elder Richard Hinckley told CBN News.

"But sure, we love to tell our story," he said. "We have a great story to tell, and we love every opportunity we have to tell it."

Secrecy and Doctrine
The Church will get that chance, as critics appear ready for vigorous exploration.

There are generally two areas of concern. The first is secrecy.

Only certain Mormons under specific circumstances are allowed into the temples for ritual ceremonies.

"I think it's the sacred nature of what goes on in the temples. The sacred covenants we make, and so forth," Hinckley told CBN News. "We don't invite the world, for example, to witness a wedding ceremony."

The other issue involves doctrine, especially among Christians who believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Mormons add the Book of Mormon as additional revelation from God.

They also don't believe in the traditional definition of heaven and hell.

"Those two designations, heaven and hell, aren't large enough for us to be honest with you," Hinckley said. "Paul talked about gradations of glory, if you will, in his writings. He said there are glories telestial, terrestrial, and celestial."
Mormons also don't believe in the trinity, the fact that God is three beings all in one.

"We don't accept that," Hinckley told CBN News. "They are one in purpose and in function, but separate in being. Separate in physical being, so that's another major difference."

Ex-Mormons Weigh In

Yet Mormons call themselves Christians, which raises eyebrows, especially within evangelical circles.

Shawn McCraney is a former Mormon who now hosts a show called, 'Heart of the Matter," where he witnesses to Mormons in Salt Lake City.

"I loved my activity in the LDS church, great organization," he said. "But I didn't know the Lord and that led me to an internal angst."

"What happened was I came to realize that there was nothing I could do to get myself right before God -- where with Mormonism, yes they believe in Jesus and everything, but it's you have to do it," he explained. "He gives you the opportunity, but it's up to you to perform, and I couldn't perform."

But any controversy over a Mormon president may not center on theology as much as whether Romney would put loyalty to the Mormon Church ahead of anything else.

Former Mormon and author Michael Moody has written the book, Mitt, Set Our People Free and he has his doubts.

"When I was a little boy, the Mormon prophet was a more important man than the president of the United States," Moody told CBN News.

"Mitt Romney has knelt in the Mormon temples," he noted. "He has taken an oath of consecration. He has taken an oath of sacrifice. He has said that he will sacrifice everything that he is, and give all of his talents, and everything that he has and is to the Mormon Church."

Governing as a Mormon

More than 50 years ago, John F. Kennedy faced a similar problem as a Catholic. He gave a speech emphasizing that his loyalty to America would come first.

Romney did that same thing back in 2008.

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions," he said then. "Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin."
Indeed, Romney set a precedent as governor of Massachusetts. He allowed alcohol sales on Sunday, even though the Mormon Church forbids alcohol.

It's a point he made to a skeptical radio show host in a moment caught on camera during the 2008 campaign.

"My church says I can't drink alcohol," Romney explained to Iowa's "Mickelson in the Morning" radio show host Jan Mickelson. "That's what my church says, that 'Mitt you can't drink alcohol.' Should I say as governor of Massachusetts we're stopping alcohol sales?"

"If you're not going to separate your religion, you better make everybody not drink alcohol," he said. "No, my religion is for me and how I live my life."

So what would it be like to have the first Mormon president?

"It would be interesting, but this church will go on with or without the first Mormon president or never having a Mormon president," Hinckley said. "It will go on."

"This church, in our belief -- and I believe this so very strongly -- is destined to grow more forward and fill the entire earth, with or without the Mitt Romneys of the world, or anyone else who might come along who might happen to be a member of our church, politically. It doesn't depend on him at all," he said.

Romney Mum on Faith

Romney makes little mention of his faith on the campaign trail. Still, some voters bring it up from time to time, making for uncomfortable moments.

When someone mentioned details from the Book of Mormon, Romney was forced to say that, "We're just not going to have a discussion about religion in my view."

And in the 2008 campaign, a woman asked Romney the following: "The Book of Mormon and the Bible. If you had a question and you had to make a decision where would the Bible be in that process?" she asked.

"I don't know that there's any conflict at all between the values of great faiths like mine, like yours, like other faiths," he replied.

The Mormon Perception

The Mormon Church has been pro-active in attempting to let folks know they are regular people. They've launched a television promotional campaign called, "I'm a Mormon" that has been popular within that effort to change any stereotype people may have about Mormons.

On the positive side, there is no doubt that many people picture Mormons as successful, clean cut, upstanding citizens, who are also generous.

Why is that exactly?

Part of the reason resides at Welfare Square in Salt Lake City, where the church gives out homegrown products to those in need.

This is paid for on the first Sunday of every month, when each Mormon family donates the amount it would cost them to eat two meals. It's the principle of self-sacrifice.

"It's sacrifice where individuals give up something recognizing that they're helping in this case members of the church," Rick Foster, director of Welfare Square, explained.

The overall principles of serving and involvement are key within the Mormon faith.

"We apply what we are learning, and I think that's where you see the niceness come in. Because we are all about serving and helping others," Denise Smoot said.

Mormons definitely don't just show up for church on Sunday and let the rest of the week just pass them by.

"This gospel is not a Sunday only gospel. It's an everyday gospel day for us," Hinckley said. "If it doesn't infuse one's life, what good is it?"

"We try and we teach that this is an everyday religion," he continued. "It's not just for the hereafter, it's for the here and now, and I think that's a great part of our theology, it's a great part of our teaching, it's a great part of who we are, of our culture."

The Church Culture

That culture revolves around the church. It's the center of the Mormon's world and it's where young children are taught early on to be leaders in the church.

That principle may indeed lead to success later in life.

"There's few places that you can go where a young 12-year-old boy can be a president of a quorum, and he can stand up and he stands up and conducts a meeting, and he has an agenda and how to conduct an activity." Scott Smoot explained. "And they're kind of taught all the way through."

The Mormon way has been a successful way for many within the faith. Romney could be their biggest success story yet, especially if he succeeds as the first Mormon president.

"Well, it might work that way; it might work against us," Hinckley explained. "If he became president and failed and became very unpopular, it could work against us. So, again, we don't put any stock in that --now or in the future."

Others like Moody said a Romney victory would be a big deal for the Mormon Church.

"If Mitt Romney gets in the White House, it's going to be a sign to all of the Mormon people that they're on the right path, that this is the truth, and it's going to help perpetuate their missionary program. It's going to put the Mormon Church in a more powerful position," Moody reasoned.

Whatever happens,  Romney hopes Americans put him in the most powerful position in the world, whether he's a Mormon or not.

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"You know, polygamy is always the first thing that's thrown out," Scott Smoot told CBN News.

Nope, that's not my first problem with that cult. In fact, that's way down the list. My first issue is with the Mormon cult rejecting Jesus Christ as the sole Word of God.
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Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress: 'Romney lesser of evils'



If you all remember last year, this is the same guy who endorsed one of the other NWO guys last year(Rick Perry), and went around warning everyone how Mormonism is evil and to stray away from Romney as far as possible.

Jeffress's church is also a member of Emergent Church leader Bill Hybels's Willow Creek Association. Now THIS is a major red flag!
2nd church listed from the top.

Jeffress also has plans to build a big $100m complex in Downtown Dallas. Now THAT is TOO much money. I don't think either Warren or Hybels have that much to invest in something else(even though both churches's budgets are at around that).
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Evangelical supporters of Romney gather at summit

Share values with Mormon candidate


He wasn’t there but Mitt Romney got some love over the weekend at a Washington, D.C., gathering of more than 2.000 evangelical Protestants representing a demographic that proved crucial to electing the last four Republican presidents.
Many of the born-again Christians at Family Research Council President Tony Perkins‘ annual Values Voter Summit — some from as far away as the California — are recent converts to the Romney presidential quest. They said in interviews that they have put aside their doubts in favor of what they say is a man who, though a Mormon, shares their moral values and political aims despite the doctrinal differences between his faith and theirs.
“I know I said a few months ago that I would never vote for a Mormon, but my husband and I and our friends are so far past that now,” said Kim Bengard, whose San Clemente, Calif., home is three doors away from what was President Nixon’s “Western White House.” “I have come to understand that Mitt Romney supports my values. We’re really pleased with him.”
Retired federal worker Bob Nelson, a Gaithersburg evangelical activist, said he didn’t mind Mr. Romney’s absence this year, because the former Massachusetts governor had addressed the two previous Values Voter Summit gatherings.



Evangelical Christians Reconcile Anti-Mormonism With Romney Choice

SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH — Evangelical Christians have long regarded Mormonism with suspicion. But many evangelicals are now trying to reconcile supporting a Mormon candidate for president while rejecting the teachings of his faith's 19th century American prophet, Joseph Smith Jr.
"Joseph Smith had 34 wives, 11 of whom were currently married to other men when he took them as wives!" says Rob Sivulka, who goes for the jugular in his polemic outside the headquarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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NAR peddler/False Prophet Rick Joyner Hopes Romney Wins and Fulfill the 'White Horse Prophecy'


Rick Joyner has been optimistic about Mitt Romney’s chances at winning the presidency lately and floated the idea that Romney may even be the fulfillment of the “White Horse Prophecy” during an appearance on Jim Bakker’s show.  After agreeing with Bakker that the differences between Mormonism and Christianity are merely minor ones, Joyner suggested that a prophecy that Mormons would save the U.S. in its darkest hour may be realized in Romney. While Joyner sounded hopeful about that possibility since it would mean Obama’s defeat, the prophecy, which has not been accepted by the LDS Church, goes on to suggest that “Mormons will control the government.”


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Romney and the White Horse Prophecy
A close look at the roots of Romney's -- and the Mormon church's -- political ambitions

The White Horse Prophecy foresaw Mormons in politics. (Credit: iStockphoto/66North/Reuters)

When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him.  All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries.  But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader.

From the time of his birth — March 13, 1947 — through adolescence and into manhood, the meshing of religion and politics was paramount in Mitt Romney’s life. Called “my miracle baby” by his mother, who had been told by her physician that it was impossible for her to bear a fourth child, Romney was christened Willard Mitt Romney in honor of close family friend and one of the richest Mormons in history, J. Willard Marriott.

In 1962, when Mitt — as they decided to call him — was a sophomore in high school, his father, George W. Romney, was elected governor of Michigan.  Throughout the early 1960s, Mitt collected petition signatures, campaigned at his father’s side, attended strategy sessions with his father’s political advisors, and interned at his father’s office during all three of his gubernatorial terms.  He attended the 1964 Republican National Convention where his father led a challenge of moderates against the right-wing Barry Goldwater. Although he was fulfilling his spiritual obligation as a Mormon missionary in France in 1968 while his father was the front-running GOP presidential candidate, Mitt was kept apprised of the political developments back in the U.S.

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.”  Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.  He had predicted the emergence of  “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.

Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world.  But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.

Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”  He was the “alpha male” in the rarefied Cougar pack, according to Michael D. Moody, a BYU classmate and fellow member of the group.  Composed almost exclusively of returned Mormon missionaries, the club members were known for their preppy blue blazers and enthusiastic athletic boosterism. Romney, who had been the assistant to the president of the French Mission where he was personally in charge of more than 200 missionaries, easily assumed a leadership position in the club.

Both political and religious, the Cougar Club raised funds for the school and its members emulated the campus-wide honor and dress codes, passionately disavowing the counterculture symbolism of long hair, bell-bottom jeans and antiwar slogans that were sweeping college campuses throughout America.  They held monthly “Fireside testimonies” — Sacrament meetings at which each member testified to his belief that he lived in Heaven before being born on Earth, that he became mortal in order to usher in the latter days, and that he recognized Joseph Smith as the prophet, the Book of Mormon as the word of God, and the Mormon church as the one true faith.

Such regular testimonies encouraged the students to live devout lives and to resist the encroaching outside influences overtaking the nation at large. “It helps them cope with such external pressures as evolution-teaching professors and cranky anthropologists who expect answers that conflict with LDS teachings,” according to James Coates, author of “In Mormon Circles.”

They traditionally hosted frat-like parties (Greek fraternities were banned from the campus) to raise a few thousand dollars for the college’s sports teams.  But Cougar president Romney drove the young men to aim higher, orchestrating a telethon that raised a stunning million dollars. Romney’s position as head of the club was widely seen as a calculated steppingstone for a career in national politics.

So it seemed disingenuous to his former club mates when, in a 2006 magazine interview, Romney denied his longtime political aspirations. “I have to admit I did not think I was going to be in politics,” he told the American Spectator.  “Had I thought politics was in my future, I would not have chosen Massachusetts as the state of my residence.  I would have stayed in Michigan where my Dad’s name was golden.”

Michael Moody says political success was an institutional value of the LDS church.

“The instructions in my [patriarchal] blessing, which I believed came directly from Jesus, motivated me to seek a career in government and politics,” he wrote in his 2008 book. Moody recently said that he ran for governor of Nevada in 1982 because he felt he had been divinely directed to “expand our kingdom” and help Romney “lead the world into the Millennium. Once a firm believer but now a church critic, Moody was indoctrinated with the White Horse Prophecy.  Like Romney, Moody is a seventh-generation Mormon, steeped in the same intellectual and theological milieu.

“We were taught that America is the Promised Land,” he said in an interview.”The Mormons are the Chosen People.  And the time is now for a Mormon leader to usher in the second coming of Christ and install the political Kingdom of God in Washington, D.C.”

In this scenario, Romney’s candidacy is part of the eternal plan and the candidate himself is fulfilling the destiny begun in what the church calls the “pre-existence.”

Several prominent Mormons, including conservative talk-show host Glenn Beck, have alluded to this apocalyptic prophecy.  The controversial myth is not an official church doctrine, but it has also arisen in the national dialogue with the presidential candidacies of Mormons George Romney, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and now Mitt Romney.

“I don’t think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all,” Mitt Romney told the Salt Lake Tribune when he was asked about it during his 2008 presidential bid.  “It’s been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it.  It has nothing to do with anything.”

Pundits and scholars, rabbis and bloggers, have repeatedly posed the question during Romney’s run: Is a candidate’s religion relevant?  With a startling 50 percent  increase of recently polled American voters claiming to know little or nothing about Mormonism, another 32 percent rejecting Mormonism as a Christian faith, a whopping 42 percent saying they would feel “somewhat or very uncomfortable” with a Mormon president, and a widespread sense that the religion is a cult, the issue is clearly more complicated than religious bigotry alone.  Judging from poll results, Americans seem less prejudiced against a candidate’s faith than concerned about the unknown, apprehensive about any kind of fanaticism, and generally uneasy about a religion that is neither mainstream Judaic nor Christian.

Just as the Christian fundamentalism of former GOP candidates Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry informed their political ideology — and was therefore considered fair game in the national dialogue — so too does Mormonism define not only Mitt Romney’s character, but what kind of president he would be and what impulses would drive him in both domestic and foreign policy.

Romney’s religion is not a sideline, but a crucial element in understanding the man, the mission and the candidacy.  He is the quintessential Mormon who embodies all of the basic elements of the homegrown American religion that is among the fastest growing religions in the world.  Like his father before him, Romney has charted a course from missionary to businessman, from church bishop to politician — and to presidential candidate.  The influence that Mormonism has had on him has dominated every step of the way.

The seeds of Romney’s unique brand of conservatism, often regarded with intense suspicion by most non-Mormon conservatives, were sown in the secretive, acquisitive, patriarchal, authoritarian religious empire run by “quorums” of men under an umbrella consortium called the General Authorities.  A creed unlike any other in the United States, from its inception Mormonism encouraged material prosperity and abundance as a measure of holy worth, and its strict system of tithing 10 percent of individual wealth has made the church one of the world’s richest institutions.

A multibillion-dollar business empire that includes agribusiness, mining, insurance, electronic and print media, manufacturing, movie production, commercial real estate, defense contracting, retail stores and banking, the Mormon church has unprecedented economic and political power. Despite a solemn stricture against any act or tolerance of gambling, Mormons have been heavily invested and exceptionally influential in the Nevada gaming industry since the great expansion of modern Las Vegas in the 1950s.  Valued for their unquestioning loyalty to authority as well as general sobriety — they are prohibited from imbibing in alcohol, tobacco or coffee — Mormons have long been recruited into top positions in government agencies and multinational corporations. They are prominent in such institutions as the CIA, FBI and the national nuclear weapons laboratories, giving the church a sphere of influence unlike any other American religion in the top echelons of government.

Romney, like his father before him who voluntarily tithed an unparalleled 19 percent of his personal fortune, is among the church’s wealthiest members. And like his father, grandfather and great-grandfathers before him, Mitt Romney was groomed for a prominent position in the church, which he manifested first as a missionary, then as a bishop, and then as a stake president, becoming the highest-ranking Mormon leader in Boston — the equivalent of a cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church.

Called a “militant millennial movement” by renowned Mormon historian David L. Bigler, Mormonism’s founding theology was based upon a literal takeover of the U.S. government. In light of the theology and divine prophecies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, unamended by the LDS hierarchy, it would seem that the office of the American presidency is the ultimate ecclesiastical position to which a Mormon leader might aspire.  So it is not the LDS cosmology that is relevant to Romney’s candidacy, but whether devout 21stcentury Mormons like Romney believe that the American presidency is also a theological position.

Since his first campaign in 2008, Romney has attempted to keep debate about his religion out of the political discourse. The issue is not whether there is a religious test for political office; the Constitution prohibits it.  Instead, the question is whether, past all of the flip-flops on virtually every policy, he has an underlying religious conception of the presidency and the American government.  At the recent GOP presidential debate in Florida, Romney professed that the Declaration of Independence is a theological document, not specific to the rebellious 13 colonies, but establishing a covenant “between God and man.”  Which would suggest that Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.

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Romney candidacy has resurrected last days prophecy of Mormon saving the Constitution

This is an archived article that was published on sltrib.com in 2007, and information in the article may be outdated. It is provided only for personal research purposes and may not be reprinted.

WASHINGTON - It's Mormon lore, a story passed along by some old-timers about the importance of their faith and their country.

In the latter days, the story goes, the U.S. Constitution will hang by a thread and a Mormon will ride in on a metaphorical white horse to save it. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says it does not accept the legend - commonly referred to as the "White Horse Prophecy" - as doctrine.

The issue, however, has been raised on those occasions when Mormons have sought the Oval Office: George Romney was asked about it during his bid in 1968, Sen. Orrin Hatch discussed it when he ran in 2000, and now Mitt Romney.

"It is being raised," says Phil Barlow, a professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University. "I've heard it a bit lately."

Romney says he doesn't believe in the supposed prophecy, nor did his father when he ran.

"I haven't heard my name associated with it or anything of that nature," Mitt Romney told The Salt Lake Tribune during an interview earlier this year. "That's not official church doctrine. There are a lot of things that are speculation and discussion by church members and even church leaders that aren't official church doctrine. I don't put that at the heart of my religious belief."

The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy.

"You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed," the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. "It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber."

Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.

"Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion," the prophecy says.

The LDS Church denounces the premonition, which was recorded 10 years after Smith's death. A church spokesman pointed to a quote from the faith's sixth president, Joseph F. Smith, who called the prophecy "ridiculous."

"It is simply false; that is all there is to it," the church prophet was quoted saying.

Joseph Smith, who Mormons believe found ancient gold plates and transcribed them into the Book of Mormon, ran for president in 1844, a year after he supposedly told of the White Horse Prophecy. Smith was murdered by a mob shortly thereafter.

So far, it hasn't been overtly discussed in reference to Romney's bid, but he told The Tribune previously that it was raised in the 1968 presidential run of his father, George Romney.

"It came up in the race, but he didn't believe in it," the younger Romney said in 1999.

In fact, George Romney said there are different interpretations of what Smith and Brigham Young, another Mormon prophet, were saying, according to a 1967 edition of Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought:

"I have always felt that they meant that sometime the question of whether we are going to proceed on the basis of the Constitution would arise and at this point government leaders who were Mormons would be involved in answering that question," George Romney was quoted as saying.

In the 2000 presidential race, the prophecy again made news during Hatch's failed bid for the White House. The Utah Republican and Mormon commented on the Constitution hanging by a thread during a radio interview, fanning thoughts of whether he was referring to the prophecy. Hatch says he was not referencing the premonition.

Mitt Romney has faced a barrage of questions about his religion from the news media but few in public from voters. One man in New Hampshire last week told Romney he wouldn't vote for him because Romney's a Mormon. But the guy added that he was a liberal and voting for Hillary Clinton.

On the trail, Romney talks generally about his belief in God but does not engage in doctrinal debate over details of his faith. He declines often to go into the specific tenets of the Mormon religion, saying that he is not a spokesperson for his church.

Ann Marie Curling, a Mormon in Kentucky who backs Romney, knows of the prophecy but puts no stock in it.

"It's definitely not playing into why I support him," says Curling, who runs a pro-Romney blog.

She says the few who believe in the prophecy are in the "extreme" fringes of the faith. "I don't see it being the reason everyday LDS persons are supporting him."

While the LDS Church does not accept the White Horse Prophecy as doctrine, several former leaders of the faith have spoken of the threat to the Constitution at various times, according to research by George Cobabe, who studied the prophecy's origins for the Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research. The group's mission is to defend the church and correct misunderstandings.

He says the concept of religious people saving the Constitution in the last days is a common theme for many faiths, but adds the White Horse Prophecy is bunk.

"I don't think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all," he says. "It's been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it. It has nothing to do with anything."

Barlow, the Utah State University professor, says probably 10 percent to 20 percent of Mormons in America have heard of the prophecy by name but that many more have likely heard bits and pieces of it.

"It's dubious whether this originated with Joseph Smith but it seems to have a life of its own," Barlow says. "While most Mormons may not have heard of it, there are some themes that have some currency."

The main theme is the apocalyptic end of the world and the phrase that the Constitution - which Mormons believe was divinely inspired - will "hang by a thread."

Still, Barlow says it's doubtful the so-called prophecy will make a big splash during the campaign.

"It's too esoteric than bigger things like polygamy that will get brought up," he says, referring to the practice of marrying multiple wives that the church officially denounced in 1890.


'White Horse Prophecy'

In the last days, the U.S. Constitution will "hang by a thread" and a Mormon will ride in on a metaphorical white horse to save it.

* Background: The story was hearsay - supposedly uttered by LDS Church founder Joseph Smith - recorded in a Mormon diary.

* Fact: LDS Church leaders have declared it is false.

* Reaction: Mitt Romney doesn't believe the legend.

"I don't think the White Horse Prophecy is fair to bring up at all. It's been rejected by every church leader that has talked about it. It has nothing to do with anything."


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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2012, 09:53:41 am »

One of my former employers was a Mormon, FWIW. He wasn't exactly "popular", per se, in the community, but nonetheless his business is well known in the city, and he's a local chamber of commerce member.(and he lives in one of the wealthier areas)

Anyhow - at first, I thought he and his big family were Christians for a good while. One time his son's father-in-law was in the office doing taxes, and we had a nice conversation over bible scripture(Peter in one passage was the topic). I REALLY thought FOR SURE, again, that that whole family were Christians...until one of the young nephews came by the office, and while doing his taxes, the word Mormons accidentally came out of his mouth when he was describing his family. At first, I thought he was speaking rather tongue-in-cheek when describing his wide family, but upon further review after a few days, it was apparent that what was in his heart came out of his mouth.

Pt being that it seems like not only alot of these pseudo-christian cults tend to come off as like true Christians(not all the time, but at times), but they also seem to be VERY secretive in terms of their affiliations to these cults. Not that I'm defending the Muslims or anything, but they're honest about their beliefs. Even New Agers are not that secretive(although they can be quite subtle). With the Mormons, JWs, etc, not so.
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The seeds of Romney’s unique brand of conservatism, often regarded with intense suspicion by most non-Mormon conservatives, were sown in the secretive, acquisitive, patriarchal, authoritarian religious empire run by “quorums” of men under an umbrella consortium called the General Authorities.  A creed unlike any other in the United States, from its inception Mormonism encouraged material prosperity and abundance as a measure of holy worth, and its strict system of tithing 10 percent of individual wealth has made the church one of the world’s richest institutions.

Does this sound familiar with modern-day Churchianity? No, Churchianity doesn't require it, per se, but nonetheless they've done one heck of a job pressuring the flock with guilt to do so.

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Is it just me, or does it look like mainling Churchianity is working hand-in-hand with Mormonism to try to usher in this "White Horse Prophecy"?


Mormonism, voter enthusiasm concern evangelicals
By RACHEL ZOLL | Associated Press – Tue, Oct 9, 2012

NEW YORK (AP) — Evangelical leaders worried that Mitt Romney's Mormonism could suppress conservative turnout on Election Day are intensifying appeals for Christians to vote.

In poll after poll, evangelicals have overwhelmingly said they would back the Republican presidential nominee despite theological differences with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
. But what had been thought of as a hypothetical question for American evangelicals for years, Southern Baptist leader Al Mohler said recently, is now a reality with this election and is being tested in a contest that will likely be decided by slim margins.

"The fact is that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, and many of our people are very, very uncomfortable about voting for a Mormon, as I am. I supported somebody else in the primary. But, hey, we have no option," said Steve Strang, an influential Pentecostal publisher, in a conference call with pastors last week.

Strang was speaking to participants in Pulpit Freedom Sunday, an annual challenge to IRS rules on churches' political activity. While arguing that the government regulations had the effect of silencing pastors, he also cited Mormonism as one reason clergy haven't more forcefully urged congregants to vote this year.

"The Mormons are good, God-fearing people in their own way," Strang said. "We have to be sure our people don't stay at home

Last month, more than two dozen prominent evangelical leaders issued a statement emphasizing the values spelled out in the GOP platform against abortion, gay marriage and other policies were more important than an individual politician's religion. Christians generally do not consider Mormonism part of historic Christianity, although Mormons do.

"Some have tempered their enthusiasm for sound governing principles by their concerns over differences in a candidate's theological doctrine," the letter states, without mentioning Mormonism. "It is time to remind ourselves that civil government is not about a particular theology but rather about public policy."

**I hate to break it to you, but Romney is pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, Obamacare is modeled after his Romneycare which was authored by an MIT professor, etc, etc. WHOOPS!

Among those signing the statement were the Rev. Franklin Graham, head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association; veteran political operative Ralph Reed of the Faith & Freedom Coalition, a political action group for religious conservatives; Mark DeMoss, an evangelical adviser to the Romney campaign; and Frank Wright, head of the National Religious Broadcasters, the Washington lobby for Christian radio, TV and digital media.

Evangelicals make up about a third of voters who are registered or lean Republican. Some Republicans have estimated that a significant number of Christian conservatives have not been voting in presidential elections and have focused on getting them registered. But that effort has a new wrinkle this year: Romney is the first Mormon nominee for president from a major party.

DeMoss, who has supported Romney since his first bid for the GOP nomination in 2008, said he has found evangelical concerns about voting for a Mormon steadily decreasing, "but there are people for whom it still is an issue."

** Huh an EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN who's been on the Romney bandwagon for AWHILE NOW?!

The Assemblies of God, a Missouri-based Pentecostal group with more than 12,600 U.S. churches, has launched its first national voter education and registration drive in a presidential-election year. George O. Wood, the denomination's leader, said he was inspired to undertake the project by Champion the Vote, which works to identify and mobilize previously unregistered conservative Christians.

The Assemblies of God voter drive makes no mention of specific candidates or their religion, but the denomination is among the many Christian churches that, in an effort to counter what it considers heretical, has been challenging Mormonism as unbiblical. Pentecostals are known for spirit-filled worship, belief in divine healing and, according to surveys, their social conservatism.

"I think our people recognize we live in a pluralistic culture, therefore one has to look at a candidate and see what values and policies they have independent of what their religious association might be and make a determination on that basis," Wood said in a phone interview. "You can form friendships with people even though you don't agree with them doctrinally."

** Again...BOTH candidates are pro-abortion, pro-gun rights, pro-big government, pro-universal health care, etc.

Pastors are struggling to get that message across while still making clear that important doctrinal differences with Mormons remain. Conservative Christians believe they have a duty to point out beliefs they fear could lead others astray and risk their salvation.

As Strang was getting out the vote last month, the news editor of his best-known magazine, Charisma, wrote a column calling Mormonism "bizarre" and a "Christianesque cult." Another columnist called Mormon doctrines "creepy and (with apologies to Mitt Romney) demonic."

Janet Parshall, a veteran Christian broadcaster now with Moody Radio, invited on her show Tricia Erickson, a former Mormon turned born-again Christian and author of "Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America."

Parshall effusively praised Mormons for their dedication to family and compassion for others. She spoke fondly about working with Mormons in Washington. "When we would fight for pro-family issues, boy I tell you, we'd be able to do that with our Mormon friends because they shared the same kinds of values that we did," Parshall said. But she said there was a need to point out "what is biblically correct and what is not." In the ensuing interview, Erickson went on to call Mormonism blasphemous and describe rituals inside Mormon temples, which are for Mormons in good standing only, as "silly," ''bizarre" and "violent."

Southern Baptist leader Al Mohler and other academics took up the issue in a discussion last month at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship training ground for future leaders of the nearly 16 million-member denomination. Called "The Mormon Moment? Religious Conviction and the 2012 Election," the speakers went to great lengths to emphasize that religion should not be a consideration when voting.

**  Huh Huh I don't think so...you guys were NOT saying this in 2000 and 2004 when Bush II was running for election. You guys were making a big deal how Bush II was a true born again, how we need Christian leaders, etc, etc. So why the change all of a sudden Huh

Russell Moore, a theologian and a seminary dean, said a candidate's religious outlook should be examined specifically for "whether or not the person is going to be able to work for the common good." But he and others warned that supporting a candidate for president does not mean accepting his faith.

"If a President Romney is elected," Moore said, "we're the people who are willing to, if we're invited into the Oval Office, say, 'President Romney, here's where we agree with you, here's what we like about what you're doing, and we sincerely want to plead with you to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ so you don't perish everlasting.'"

**Again... Huh Huh WHY haven't you guys done this with OBAMA the last 4 years? Or how about Clinton in the 90's?
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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2012, 07:28:45 pm »

Once upon a time, the "religious right" embraced Rick Santorum, and did everything they could to halt Milt Romney...

Religious Right Endorses Santorum; Aims to Stop Romney in South Carolina

At a weekend meeting of Christian conservative leaders, participants agreed to rally evangelicals to support Rick Santorum.

Just as things were looking like a clear sail for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in his quest for the Republican presidential nomination, a gale has blown in. At a weekend meeting in Texas of religious right leaders -- including Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, James Dobson of Focus on the Family, Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association, and Gary Bauer of American Values -- participants agreed to coalesce behind former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum in a bid to sway the largely evangelical base that will determine the outcome of the South Carolina presidential primary.
"The desire was not to repeat what took place in 2008," Perkins said on conference call with reporters, in answer to a question posed by Slate's David Weigel. What happened in the last presidential campaign was that the religious right failed to embrace former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (who believes in public schools and arts education), and they wound up with U.S. Sen. John McCain as the G.O.P. presidential candidate, whom they deemed to be a moderate.



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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2012, 07:48:28 pm »

Now this is from 2007!


Bob Jones III Endorses Romney

Alex Knapp   ·   Wednesday, October 17, 2007   ·   4 Comments

Dr. Bob Jones III has decided to endorse Mitt Romney for President, despite Romney’s heathen ways.
Dr. Bob Jones III, chancellor of the fundamentalist Christian university that bears his name, is looking past his religious differences with Gov. Mitt Romney and endorsing the Mormon for the Republican nomination for president, he told The Greenville News today.
“This is all about beating Hillary,” Jones said. “And I just believe that this man has the credentials both personally and ideologically in terms of his view about what American government should be to best represent the rank and file of conservative Americans.
“If it turns out to be Guiliani and Hillary, we’ve got two pro- choice candidates, and that would be a disaster.”

Huh Romney is PRO-CHOICE too - surprise you didn't know it!
Asked whether Romney’s religion was a stumbling block for him, Jones replied, “What is the alternative, Hillary’s lack of religion or an erroneous religion?

So George W. Bush saying Christians and Muslims worship the same God is OK with you? Ronald Reagan was a 33rd Degree Mason, is that OK with you too? Roll Eyes
Not exactly an unqualified endorsement. Still, the GOP race does pose some interesting challenges for the social conservative set, to the extent that a large third-party run may not be out of the question if Giuliani ends up being the GOP candidate. I guess when it comes down to it, some folks on the religious right will take a Mormon over a pro-choice candidate. Maybe.
Personally, I would predict that this endorsement will not aid Romney’s candidacy. I also think that the social conservatives in the GOP will hold their nose and vote for Giuliani if he wins the nomination, rather than push for a large third party run. Of course, seeing as how two years ago I predicted that Hillary Clinton would not run for President, I suppose you can take my election prognostication with a big grain of salt.

Well, fast-forward 5 years later - it seems like the "social conservatives" are getting on the Romney bandwagon, and they're not having this "holding our noses" attitude to boot! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2012, 05:51:02 pm »

Well guess what - Perot finally GAVE IN and endorsed Romney.  Huh Didn't he say this nation is on the verge of collapse, and neither Romney nor Obama are fit for the job? Now he's behind Romney? The same Romney that supports the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, pro-universal health care, etc, etc?


Ross Perot Endorses Mitt Romney For President
The Huffington Post  |  By Luke Johnson Posted: 10/16/2012 10:07 am EDT

Former two-time presidential candidate Ross Perot announced he was backing Mitt Romney for the presidency Tuesday, just weeks after declining to endorse a candidate.

"Our country faces a serious choice,” Perot said in a statement released Tuesday morning by the Romney campaign. “The fact of the matter is that the United States is on unsustainable course. At stake is nothing less than our position in the world, our standard of living at home, and our constitutional freedoms. That is why I am endorsing Mitt Romney in his quest for the presidency. We can’t afford four more years in which national debt mushrooms out of control, our government grows, and our military is weakened. Mitt has the background, experience, intelligence, and integrity to turn things around. He has my absolute support.”


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Rich backing the rich. No surprise.
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Billy Graham association responds

10:05 PM, Oct 16, 2012

ASHEVILLE — The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association said today that it removed language from its website calling Mormonism a cult to avoid controversy.

The website article had listed as cults “Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spiritists, Scientologists, and others.”

Rev. Billy Graham met with Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a Mormon, at the evangelist’s Montreat home Thursday afternoon. Graham’s son, Franklin, also attended.

The article was removed from the website sometime after that meeting, which was held just before Romney addressed an estimated 10,000 supporters in Asheville.

“We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign,” Ken Barun, chief of staff for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

Franklin Graham serves as chief executive officer for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and he questioned Romney’s Mormon faith earlier this year.

Pressed during an interview on MSNBC, Graham would not say Romney is a Christian.

He is a Mormon,” Franklin Graham said in February. “Most Christians would not recognize Mormonism ... but he would be a good president if he won the nomination.”
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DAILY DOOM ANTIDOTE: Solid proof Obama is planning a concession speech event for November 6th Election Night — 10/18/2012 –


I’ve written before about the fact that Barack Obama was not planning another big Election Night victory party in Grant Park here in Chicago like the spectacle he put on in 2008, because no one I know in the Parks Department or in the event planning community had anything on their radar for Grant Park that night.  Because of the permitting and union rules that plague any event in this City (which wouldn’t be waived even for Obama, due to liability and insurance issues the City would face if anything went wrong and permitting was not followed to the “T”) we would have known a few weeks ago if Obama expected another win and was going to celebrate in Chicago again.  That massive Grant Park victory rally took a while to plan and involved far too many vendors for anything similar to be replicated this year without people already knowing.
I’ve suspected for some time that Obama was going to plan for a concession speech on November 6th, but last night final confirmation arrived in the form of leaked news that the Obama election night event is being staged in private McCormick Place, not a big public setting like Grant Park.
Let me put this as clearly as I can because it’s crucial:  if Democrats really thought Barack Obama was going to be reelected, then they would have planned a massive rally in Grant Park again; the fact this is not happening is proof that, despite what you hear coming out of the Ministry of Truth that is the national media, the Democrats really do not expect Obama to win this election. Campaign operatives in Chicago are, thus, making appropriate preparations for his imminent defeat.
Instead of Grant Park, Obama’s apparently going to have his election night event at McCormick Place…the convention center here in Chicago.
Let me explain a few things about McCormick Place that you could intimate from the photo above:
* it’s separated from the City by highways and is hard to reach by anyone traveling on foot from the various “El” trains that service Chicago…which indicates this event is not intended for throngs of Obama supporters.
* there are no buses that readily service McCormick Place like they do Grant Park…so once again, this event is not being planned for the public to come and celebrate with Obama.
* McCormick Place is completely indoors and is a venue that Democrats can easily control in terms of the camera angles and stagecraft of the event…which is a big deal because losing campaigns choose small, isolated places to hold concession speeches while winning candidates are feted on election night in, well, places like Grant Park.

Read more http://hillbuzz.org/daily-doom-antidote-solid-proof-obama-is-planning-a-concession-speech-event-for-november-6th-election-night-10182012-10182012
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