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« on: November 11, 2012, 10:28:52 pm »



As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.

States following this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York. These States have requested that the Obama Administration grant a peaceful withdrawal from the United States.

These citizen generated petitions were filed just days after the 2012 Presidential election.

Louisiana was the first State to file a petition a day after the election by a Michael E. from Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next State to follow by a Micah H. from Arlington, Texas.

The government allows one month from the day the petition is submitted to obtain 25,000 signatures in order for the Obama administration to consider the request.

BREAKING CIVIL WAR 15 States petition to secede from the United States?
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 11:02:09 pm »

 Shocked i did not know it only took 25,000 signatures for a state to secede from the union. maybe i should start one for ohio.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 11:08:10 pm »

Ultimately, all of this is by design - all to provoke Civil War in this country. I don't think any of these 15 states will successfully do that and live in peace.

BTW - Texas has ALOT of megachurches. In my North Texas metroplex, couldn't tell you how blasphemous the megachurches are that I've encountered.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 11:12:40 pm »

Ultimately, all of this is by design - all to provoke Civil War in this country. I don't think any of these 15 states will successfully do that and live in peace.

BTW - Texas has ALOT of megachurches. In my North Texas metroplex, couldn't tell you how blasphemous the megachurches are that I've encountered.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 08:25:18 pm »


Secession petitions filed in 20 states
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

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In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 03:02:20 am »

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

Yet alot of people are very serious about this - the gov is tyranny - they have had enough from Washington!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2012, 02:49:29 pm »

As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.


Below is a link to the latest signature totals, updated automaticly, and the latest video reports so you track the momentum of this developing story.


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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2012, 03:19:11 pm »

Shocked i did not know it only took 25,000 signatures for a state to secede from the union. maybe i should start one for ohio.

That's to get the petition to the White House for "consideration". Yeah right! Like the government is going to say, "Okay, looks good, you may secede".

Not going to happen, and the feds will do just like they did back when they started the Civil War.

If the states, or even one state, makes a serious move to secede, you watch what the federal government does in response! It won't be pretty.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 05:34:46 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-leaders-reject-secession-talk-wake-obamas-election-210744874--politics.html

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Conservative Leaders Reject Secession Talk In Wake Of Obama's Election
By Evan McMorris-Santoro | TPM – 2 hrs 23 mins ago

If **** conservatives are looking for generals in their post-election civil war, they may have to look beyond some of the biggest names on the right.

Following President Obama's re-election last week, a group of virulently anti-Obama Republicans has apparently suggested pulling the plug on the whole United States of America thing and splintering off into nations for which Obama is not at the top of the government. Two of the most incendiary conservative leaders, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and RedState founder Erick Erickson, called on the would-be secessionists to stand down on Tuesday, potentially pitting them against a grassroots backlash following last week's election.

It's not clear how serious the movement is, exactly. Somewhat anonymous petitions have been filed on the White House website in the days following Obama's reelection calling for dozens of states to be allowed to leave the US. The Texas petition is garnering the most notoriety, both because it has the most signatures and because it involves Texas, a state where talk of secession pops up regularly.

Last time around, the man at the center of the Republic Of Texas talk was Perry, who gave a shoutout to seceding from Obama's America's in 2009 while not directly endorsing the concept. It was all part of Perry's plan to cast himself as Mr. Tenth Amendment in the run up to his own bid to lead all 50 of the United States as president. The secession stuff followed Perry to his short presidential campaign, forcing Perry to distance himself from Texas secessionists in 2011.

With Texas secessionism back in the news, Perry is again declining to get on board.

"Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," Perry spokesperson Catherine Frazier said in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."

Meanwhile, over at RedState, Erickson isn't having any of the secession talk either.

"We here at RedState are American citizens. We have no plans to secede from the union," he wrote on the site Tuesday. "If you do, good luck with that, but this is not the place for you."

Erickson also pushed back on conservatives who claim the election wasn't legitimate, or that Democratic supporters stole it somehow. "Barack Obama won. He won by turning out the most people in a well run campaign," Erickson wrote. "In other words, he won fair and square."

Many of the petitions on the White House website are posted without a last name, making it hard to figure out how serious they really are or who's behind most of them. But voter anguish over Obama's election and the course of the country is behind at least one of the petitions, the one calling for Alabama to leave the union "and create its own NEW government."

Derrick Belcher, a 45 year-old **** carwash owner, is behind the Alabama petition, according to AL.com. He supported Ron Paul in 2012 and told the site he's serious about creating a new union of states that did not vote for Obama's reelection. Belcher said that a nation of red states could do away with entitlement programs -- and the people who rely on them.

"The people who want those handouts, it'll force them to move to a different state," he told AL.com.

Contrary to the outsized coverage the secession petitions have received, Belcher's vision of a red state union do not seem to be catching on among mainstream conservatives. But that's not so say some on the right aren't having fun imagining "what if." Bob Smiley, author of a right-leaning novel about a Texas governor who secedes from the USA over the policies of its progressive president, took to the Daily Caller to pen a list of reasons Texas could easily survive on its own.

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W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede

A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads.

The title of the petition is, "WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them."

As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House.



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The petition to let Texas secede from the U.S. to be reviewed by the White House


Well, Texas, you have done it.

As of 3:40 p.m. ET, more than 25,000 Texans have already signed the petition on The White House website to let Texas peacefully secede from United States of America and “create its own NEW government.”

The petition, created on Nov. 9, argues for secession, stating:



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The leader of the secession movement in Texas says that President Barack Obama’s reelection was a “catalyzing moment” for his organization’s efforts to quit the United States.

“I am completely aware that Election Day was a catalyzing moment, but I do not believe that the underpinnings of this are solely about Barack Obama,” Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller told POLITICO. “This cake has been baking for a long time — it’s the Obama administration that put the candles on the cake and lit it for us.”

He added: “This is not a reaction to a person but to policy and what we see as a federal government that is so disconnected from its constituents and absolute no regard for what its purpose was.”

A petition for Texas secession has garnered more than 72,500 signatures as of Tuesday afternoon — the most of any of the slew of other states petitioning the White House for secession. (Only 25,000 are needed to garner a White House response.)

GOP Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s spokeswoman Catherine Frazier commented on the movement to The Dallas Morning News Monday: “Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”

But Miller said he thought the governor’s statement was “ambiguous.”

“His statement is about as ambiguous as it can get. Obviously, he’s going to err on the side of caution for him. But my challenge to him is this: Don’t wind up on the wrong side of history on this issue,” Miller said.

Miller said that the national deficit and the economy were some of the major factors that have helped the movement grow.

“The federal government is broken beyond all belief. We’re sitting on $16 trillion worth of debt and that’s only one example,” Miller said. “There’s a political, cultural and economic gap, and the longer that we refuse to recognize that gap — the more states will put out to secede the union.”

He said he thinks the issue has gone mainstream: “For the longest time, this issue was what people would classify as a fringe issue. It was relegated to the back rooms in the cafés. But in 2008, 2009, what you began to see — the tail end of the [George W.] Bush administration and start of Obama’s — what you saw was kind of interesting. This issue went to being part of the political discourse.”

Miller continued: “As the economy worsened, people began to ask, ‘What if? Why do we need the middle man? Do we believe that we should have more layers of government than we absolutely need? Could Texas govern itself?’ I think really that self-determination is kind of the underpinning to all of this — the ability to provide Texas solutions to Texas problems.”

Miller noted that TNM rejects any use of force to acquire its goal.

“We walk in the same vein as Gandhi and those guys,” said Miller, who has been involved with the organization for 16 years.

TNM is planning a march in Austin for January 2013.



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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2012, 10:31:23 pm »

Just curious - why didn't they sign this petition last year, the year before last, or even BEFORE Obama got elected?

I dunno, but sounds like just a bunch of people whining chereos over a lost election - yeah, like Mitt Romney would have turned things around. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2012, 10:44:23 pm »

Just curious - why didn't they sign this petition last year, the year before last, or even BEFORE Obama got elected?

I dunno, but sounds like just a bunch of people whining chereos over a lost election - yeah, like Mitt Romney would have turned things around. Roll Eyes

Maybe inflation/foreclosures/unemployment was having less of an impact back then? I noted the reference to "maintaining a standard of living" in one of the petitions.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 12:07:34 am »

Just curious - why didn't they sign this petition last year, the year before last, or even BEFORE Obama got elected?

I dunno, but sounds like just a bunch of people whining chereos over a lost election - yeah, like Mitt Romney would have turned things around. Roll Eyes

yeah it seems that this movement has come in a bit late, i think it could have been done after the Federal Reserve was established.
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White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation


Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from the Obama administration.

By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.

A petition from Vermont, where talk of secession is a regular feature of political life, was the final entry.

Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)

The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin. Shortly before 9:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, it had attracted 94,700 signatures. But a spokesperson for Gov. Rick Perry said Tuesday afternoon that he does not support the idea of his state striking out on its own.

“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” according to a statement from the governor’s office.

A backlash Monday night saw requests filed with the White House to strip citizenship rights from Americans who signed petitions to help states secede. (RELATED: Anti-secession forces fight back with White House deportation petitions)

And in a similar nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.

Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”

Houstonian “Kimberly F” — The White House does not provide last names — submitted the petition. She told TheDC in an email that ”[w]e need both sides presented, or we all look like a bunch of fools.”

A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”

But smaller petitions like theirs are a political side show of a political side show. One effort, aimed at Missourians, called for a nationwide catered pizza party to celebrate when the Show Me State left the U.S. (RELATED: Pizza party! White House petition silliness gets cheesy)

States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.



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Perry: Texas Will Not Secede From US

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has one message for the tens of thousands of Texans calling for secession from the United States: The state will not secede.

More than 76,000 people have signed a petition on the “We the People” White House website for Texas to withdraw from the Union and start a new government after President Barack Obama was re-elected.

“The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. … Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government,” the petition states.

Perry spokesperson Catherine Frazier tells CBS News that the governor “shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” but “believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it.”

Perry has been caught in the middle of secession controversy before after being falsely accused by members of the Obama administration of wanting Texas to be a separate country, according to FactCheck.org.

More than 30 other states have started online petitions to secede from the U.S.

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Perry: Texas Will Not Secede From US


Didn't Perry attend the Bilderberg meeting in 2007? Roll Eyes
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Didn't Perry attend the Bilderberg meeting in 2007? Roll Eyes

is that from Alex Jones?
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is that from Alex Jones?

Perry admitted it in an interview on a radio show one time. Yes, Jones reported it, but nonetheless it came right out of the horse's mouth.
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Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray
More than a half-million want their states out of the USA


If any of the hundreds of thousands of people petitioning the White House in the blossoming battle over secession get their way, somebody is going to leave the union, either voluntarily … or involuntarily.

Ever since WND first reported that residents in the state of Louisiana had filed an online petition with the White House to secede from the U.S., residents in at least 39 additional states have filed similar requests with the White House to peaceably break from the union.

What’s more, a pair of contrary petitions have been added to the White House website, including one to “strip the citizenship” of those who have petitioned for secession and another calling for their deportation.

As WND reported, the first of the petitions was filed on the White House’s We the People website the day after the 2012 election by Michael E. (full last name not provided) of Slidell, La.

Since then, residents from the following states have added their own secession petitions: New Hampshire, Illinois, Idaho, Rhode Island, Virginia, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, California, Delaware, Nevada, Kansas, Ohio, South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, New York, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas.

The White House website explains that once a petition reaches 25,000 signatures, it will be placed on a queue for response from the administration. The website also maintains a page for previous petitions that have received a White House response.

Some of the petitions have easily exceeded the required threshold.

The Texas petition, for example, has more than 80,000 signatures. The original Louisiana petition has topped 30,000. Florida has also crossed the threshold. Though the numbers keep climbing, the signatures for all 40 states now total at least 533,000.

The two petitions calling for the secession-sympathizers to be ousted total just more than 10,000.

To view or even sign one of the petitions, click here (registration is required).

The original Louisiana petition, which has served as a pattern for many of the new states, reads as follows: “We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

It continues, “As the Founding Fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776: ‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.’”

The petition concludes with a further quote from the Declaration of Independence: “‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.’”

Residents of other states, however, have chosen different wording.

The Texas petition explains itself this way: “The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our Founding Fathers, which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”

A petitioner from Tillamook, Ore., identified by the site as Kristopher W, worded his state’s petition this way: “Allow Oregon to vote on and leave the union peacefully and remain an ally to the nation.”

He continues, “With the federal government increasing its size much larger than our Founding Father’s intended, and its abuse of power trumping over the rights of state constitutions, and the forcing of unconstitutional laws over its own citizens, the people of Oregon would like the chance to vote on leaving the Union immediately. The federal government has imposed policies on Oregon that are not in Oregon’s best interests, and we as citizens would respectively and peaceably separate ourselves from a tyrannical government who cares nothing about creating a sustainable future for our children. At any time that the citizens of Oregon [should feel] the federal government was no longer imposing on the Constitution, we could re-vote to again join the union under a new agreement.”

One of the contrary petitions reads this way: “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.”

It continues, “Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.”

The White House created the “We the People” petition site ostensibly as a way of giving all Americans “a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them.”

“The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” the page reads. “We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.”

The page also explains, “You have just 30 days to get 25,000 signatures in order to get a response from the White House.”

Once the White House does draft a response, it has pledged to send it via email to everyone who has signed the petition (registration on the site with a valid email address is required to sign petitions).

To view or even sign one of the petitions, click here. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-madness-now-40-states-join-petition-fray/

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2012, 08:52:01 am »

Something doesn't smell right about this - hardly anyone made chirps about this sham/stolen election by Obama, but en yet they're waiting until now to pull this stunt?
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2012, 05:47:25 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/seven-states-qualify-secession-response-white-house-215946646.html

11/14/12

Seven states qualify for secession response from White House

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citizens from more than 40 states have filed petitions with the White House seeking to secede from the union, and by Wednesday, seven states had gathered enough signatures to qualify for a response to the largely symbolic protest.

The petitions, which have been signed by a small percentage of state residents, have virtually no chance of succeeding. The United States' bloodiest conflict, the 1861-1865 Civil War, erupted after 11 states withdrew from the union.

The White House has set up a "We the People" page on its website that allows Americans to file petitions on issues of concern. If a petition collects 25,000 signatures, the website says, the administration will review and respond to it.

The petition filed by Texas residents has racked up about 100,000 signatures. Six others from Louisiana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee have collected 30,000.

Among the seven states, only Florida gave its electoral votes to Democratic President Barack Obama in last week's election.

The Texas petition says the United States is suffering from economic troubles stemming from the federal government's failure to reform spending. It also complains of alleged rights abuses committed by agencies like the Transportation Security Administration.

"Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union," it said.

A counter-petition has been filed calling for the state capital Austin to secede from Texas and remain part of the United States.

(Reporting by Ian Simpson; Editing by Stacey Joyce)
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Wouldn't there be far more people than this who would want to secede? And why is it that no governor has wanted to secede? Correct me if i'm wrong.
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2012, 10:45:48 pm »

Wouldn't there be far more people than this who would want to secede? And why is it that no governor has wanted to secede? Correct me if i'm wrong.

This is telling...

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This looks like a setup/Hegelian Dialectic from the get-go, where some may really think they're doing the right thing by signing their name. Ultimately, this could set up Martial Law in America if someone on non-governmental turf fires the first shot(ie-Bill Cooper once said the NWO is waiting for just that...a US citizen to fire the first shot - no, I don't endorse Cooper, but he is correct on this).
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Who says it's symbolic? They think this is a joke? Typical. Roll Eyes

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A counter-petition has been filed calling for the state capital Austin to secede from Texas and remain part of the United States.

What? Are they nuts? What is wrong with those Texans?

Yeah, when I first read how this is going down, I thought to myself," So they want states who are unhappy with the federal government to "petition" the feds to ask the feds if it's okay for the states to secede. How stupid is that? Petition the feds?

That's like the South must ask the North if it's okay to resist the North's strongarm tactics! Roll Eyes

If a state is serious, they just need to tell the federal government in a letter to take a hike and be done with it. What kind of logic is it to ask for permission from your overbearing tyrannt that is the cause of one wanting to secede? That's just stupid.

They are treating it like a joke or an opinion poll.

A setup? Most likely.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2012, 08:04:38 am »

What? Are they nuts? What is wrong with those Texans?


FYI, there's alot of megachurches here in Texas - no, it's not the moral, Christian, bible-belt, whatever you want to call it state that everyone tries to make it out to be. And of course, it's the home of the Bushes, one of the most powerful people in the NWO chain.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2012, 12:08:44 pm »

Well, Jones is playing his part now by trying to fire up his listeners on his radio show to secede themselves from the union. Hardly a surprise here...
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 09:17:48 pm »

Well, Jones is playing his part now by trying to fire up his listeners on his radio show to secede themselves from the union. Hardly a surprise here...

i was thinking the same thing, here "the expert" Jones has to have his say again, though if any state is to secede it would be Texas.

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If a state is serious, they just need to tell the federal government in a letter to take a hike and be done with it. What kind of logic is it to ask for permission from your overbearing tyrant that is the cause of one wanting to secede? That's just stupid.

They are treating it like a joke or an opinion poll.

A setup? Most likely.

i would think it could well be a setup too, all these people signing up to secede from the feds is going to get their name on the dissidents list, how is Obama going to allow any states to secede?
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